Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[RVclaret]

Zack Steffen mentioned as Pope’s replacement by a Popular city account on twitter.

Guess he’ll be wanting regular football in World Cup year.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Bigger club going for Twine could be a problem for us according to Nixon.

Sheff Utd isn't it ?

[tiger76]

Bigger club going for Twine could be a problem for us according to Nixon.

Twine was always going to be in demand, and if several clubs express interest MK Dons might be able to hike up the price.

[RVclaret]

Sheff Utd isn't it ?

Nixon said no

[claretonthecoast1882]

Nixon said no

He should name the club then.

It is like his interview on Radio Lancs when he claimed the list of signings are very impressive but couldn't name 1 name, then had an exclusive of the Blackpool right back on his paid site.

[TheFamilyCat]

Signings this week unlikely according to Alex James.

But what does Damon Albarn have to say?

[arise_sir_charge]

I think it’s Brighton.

[Woodleyclaret]

Now Vincent's had the chance to assess the players we have I think he will moving on the targets we need quickly. It's always a gamble recruitment from lower league but there are teams with deep pockets who will take a punt
Oli Watkins is a case of a successful recruitment policy by Brentford that worked out.Unfortunately our forays into lower leagues have had mixed results.We have little money due to previous issues and this balancing act could cost us with potential players going elsewhere

[ervi34]

He'd have been ideal on a 2 year contract, but West Brom have offered him 4, and if we'd offered similar he'd be 32 at the end of that said contract, and another likely to walk for free, we need to try and get away from the policy of buying older players with no potential resale value, as this policy is one of the main reasons we're now facing a major squad rebuild.

A few days ago we probably didn't realise he wanted a 4 year contract, had we known, I doubt we'd have been saying he'd be a good fit

The thing is, WBA also know that giving him a 4 year contract means they can say goodbye to a big resale value, if any at all. But on the other hand, the length of the contract is probably the key factor why he chose them and not us. It's risky but if you ask me, getting a proven Championship player on a free who instantly improves your starting 11 is worth it.

[RVclaret]

Zack Steffen mentioned as Pope’s replacement by a Popular city account on twitter.

Guess he’ll be wanting regular football in World Cup year.

Just seen City look set to sign a 29 year old keeper on a free from Bundesliga, so there could be something in this.

[RVclaret]

He should name the club then.

It is like his interview on Radio Lancs when he claimed the list of signings are very impressive but couldn't name 1 name, then had an exclusive of the Blackpool right back on his paid site.

Some of what Nixon’s about is the story telling side of it, dragging stuff out, making people curious, no other journo does it like him. That puts some people off him, understandably so, but he does get a lot right.

[elwaclaret]

The thing is, WBA also know that giving him a 4 year contract means they can say goodbye to a big resale value, if any at all. But on the other hand, the length of the contract is probably the key factor why he chose them and not us. It's risky but if you ask me, getting a proven Championship player on a free who instantly improves your starting 11 is worth it.

Worth it if you thing they will be a regular starter, but perhaps not for someone seen as ‘adding to the squad’. While I do not buy into the whole 32 is too old theory; anyone coming in like that would have to be a key signing not back up for someone else (possibly). However, there is absolutely no reason a 32 year old could not have the sell on potential of 22 year old if they are good enough and have just gone under the radar or are late developers.

[tiger76]

The thing is, WBA also know that giving him a 4 year contract means they can say goodbye to a big resale value, if any at all. But on the other hand, the length of the contract is probably the key factor why he chose them and not us. It's risky but if you ask me, getting a proven Championship player on a free who instantly improves your starting 11 is worth it.

All fair points, but it also depends what our other targets are, and how high Wallace was up our list.

He choose West Brom, so we move on to other targets.

[Lancasterclaret]

Not sure another keeper should be a priority

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not sure another keeper should be a priority

Would seem a strange move given we have two others already on the books

[ClaretMov]

Zack Steffen mentioned as Pope’s replacement by a Popular city account on twitter.

Guess he’ll be wanting regular football in World Cup year.

Not a chance, he's on 52k a week at City

[RVclaret]

Would seem a strange move given we have two others already on the books

Ball playing keeper a big part of possession based systems these days.

Agree not a priority but certainly not a ‘strange move’ for me.

I think he’ll see if Hennessey is up to it first.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ball playing keeper a big part of possession based systems these days.

Agree not a priority but certainly not a ‘strange move’ for me.

I think he’ll see if Hennessey is up to it first.

Haven’t both Peacock Farrell and Hennessey both player for teams that play out from the back

[RVclaret]

Don’t think Hennessey has? At palace he played under Pulis and Hodgson didn’t he?

[northeastclaret]

Now Vincent's had the chance to assess the players we have I think he will moving on the targets we need quickly. It's always a gamble recruitment from lower league but there are teams with deep pockets who will take a punt
Oli Watkins is a case of a successful recruitment policy by Brentford that worked out.Unfortunately our forays into lower leagues have had mixed results.We have little money due to previous issues and this balancing act could cost us with potential players going elsewhere

How has VC had chance to assess the players. His biggest problem is that he has had very little time to personally assess players, particularly the Under 23’s hoping to progress to the first team squad this year. He also has the problem of not knowing if several of the players such as Cornet etc will actually have a buyer and if so generate funding.

I would imagine it’s highly likely for these reasons we will miss the boat on a lot of potential signings .

[Colburn_Claret]

He'd have been ideal on a 2 year contract, but West Brom have offered him 4, and if we'd offered similar he'd be 32 at the end of that said contract, and another likely to walk for free, we need to try and get away from the policy of buying older players with no potential resale value, as this policy is one of the main reasons we're now facing a major squad rebuild.

We've talked for years about the academy, and making a profit on players, as we have done for decades.
We haven't really done it successfully since the 70s.
We will never compete with all these clubs with Sugar Daddys, unless we stop the talking and start producing.
The first step is to stop buying the likes of Jed Wallace, good player that he might be, it offers nothing for the club going forward.
Brentford have shown that its possible to source great young talent, with an excellent resale value, so long as you know what you are doing.
If it was simple, everybody would be doing it, but it's a course we have to take, and it will need a lot of patience from the fans.

[Bigvince]

I do find posts like this funny.

Not as funny as posts about Brownhill performance away at Leeds tho

[Nori1958]

Not a chance, he's on 52k a week at City

It's amazing how people know what players earn... I've known several players over the years and never once have I asked them what they earn, and I doubt they've ever thought of telling me

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not as funny as posts about Brownhill performance away at Leeds tho

Different poster? Not me

[Newcastleclaret93]

Don’t think Hennessey has? At palace he played under Pulis and Hodgson didn’t he?

I think he played it under Pardew or even perhaps at Wales. Might be wrong but I swear there was a post on this forum about it at some point.

[Burnley Ace]

Ball playing keeper a big part of possession based systems these days.

How hard is it for a keeper to either pass the ball to the left back, the right back or to one of the CB’s depending on which one has dropped deep, or even throw the ball to them??

[IanMcL]

We are way behind Hull at present in the chase for Twine.

You would think Twine would want to come to a cotton town!

[RVclaret]

How hard is it for a keeper to either pass the ball to the left back, the right back or to one of the CB’s depending on which one has dropped deep, or even throw the ball to them??

More than that. Often teams will high press you to try and stop you playing and the keeper needs to thread balls through the lines / chip them to the flanks as the cbs are already marked. Depends how important this role is for Kompany I guess.

I saw Fabrizio Romano confirm City have agreed a deal in principle with the keeper from Bundesliga on a free but it hinges on Steffen finding a club. Interesting. Wages probably too high and would he step down to the Champ, not sure.

[ervi34]

It's amazing how people know what players earn... I've known several players over the years and never once have I asked them what they earn, and I doubt they've ever thought of telling me

There are several sites that measure their wages.

[wilks_bfc]

Would seem a strange move given we have two others already on the books

Even stranger given we have 3 others already on the books with Hennessy, BPF & Norris

[RVclaret]

Even stranger given we have 3 others already on the books with Hennessy, BPF & Norris

I’d imagine Norris will go and even BPF or Hennessey, ‘if’ he decides to bring in his own keeper.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Even stranger given we have 3 others already on the books with Hennessy, BPF & Norris

Norris looks to be on the way out

[tiger76]

We've talked for years about the academy, and making a profit on players, as we have done for decades.
We haven't really done it successfully since the 70s.
We will never compete with all these clubs with Sugar Daddys, unless we stop the talking and start producing.
The first step is to stop buying the likes of Jed Wallace, good player that he might be, it offers nothing for the club going forward.
Brentford have shown that its possible to source great young talent, with an excellent resale value, so long as you know what you are doing.
If it was simple, everybody would be doing it, but it's a course we have to take, and it will need a lot of patience from the fans.

There has been signs of an improvement in our academy recently, namely Benson and Dunne going to Barnsley and QPR for reasonable fees, plus some of the youngsters threatening to knock on the door of the 1st team squad, however if we lose Cat 1 status yoiu do wonder whether that progress will be undermined at a stroke.

And if the youngsters are good enough, surely Kompany won't hesitate to play them, his Anderlecht side was full of youngsters, so he will give youth it's chance seemingly.

Totally agree it will require patience, and this is one of the reasons I'm not unduly perturbed about winning promotion this season, I'd rather we built up a cohesive side and style that'll serve us well in the longer term.

[Nori1958]

There are several sites that measure their wages.

I know... But who tells those sites, or like a lot of the financial stuff, is it just guess work?

[Quicknick]

More than that. Often teams will high press you to try and stop you playing and the keeper needs to thread balls through the lines / chip them to the flanks as the cbs are already marked. Depends how important this role is for Kompany I guess.

I saw Fabrizio Romano confirm City have agreed a deal in principle with the keeper from Bundesliga on a free but it hinges on Steffen finding a club. Interesting. Wages probably too high and would he step down to the Champ, not sure.

Step down to the Championship? He's only played twice for City in the EPL.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I know... But who tells those sites, or like a lot of the financial stuff, is it just guess work?

Who told the press about Haaland, Mane, Nunez wages? They are all talked about.

[RVclaret]

Step down to the Championship? He's only played twice for City in the EPL.

Fair point. Was their cup keeper mainly. Big error in last seasons final with Liverpool.

Another point on Steffen - being USA's keeper, that would immediately raise our profile in the States, something we know our owners have been wanting to do?

[Nori1958]

Who told the press about Haaland, Mane, Nunez wages? They are all talked about.

That doesn't answer the question though

[ervi34]

I know... But who tells those sites, or like a lot of the financial stuff, is it just guess work?

Probably comes from their agents. I doubt that every single figure stated is 100% accurate, but they can give an overall picture of club's highest earners, average wage and so on.

[alwaysaclaret]

He'd have been ideal on a 2 year contract, but West Brom have offered him 4, and if we'd offered similar he'd be 32 at the end of that said contract, and another likely to walk for free, we need to try and get away from the policy of buying older players with no potential resale value, as this policy is one of the main reasons we're now facing a major squad rebuild.

Your last point there is a very interesting one tiger, I'm just a bit curious where the majority might lay the blame for this. It appears to me this could have been one reason for the initial fall out between sd and mg. Some year's ago I read an article in a daily paper stating sd was much more than a football manager at Burnley and went on to say he was involved with much more including the finances. Which leads me on to thinking garlick wanted to bring in new face's, yet dyche wanted to stick with the old guard and experienced players, I do believe that it possibly got beyond the 2 working together and was consequently the reason garlick eventually just got out. Of course he was never going to walk away empty handed and you could say left with he's pockets full, just a thought regarding the way the relationship went between the two of them. To re-iterate my point, we all know how stubborn dyche was, was loathe to use the loan market, wouldn't try any of the youngsters, McNeil apart, would only sign a certain type, lots of players throughout the leagues have to be coached and moulded into the finished article. Consequently ending up with exactly the final point you made tiger, I'm not sure it was all down to mg just not wanting to get the cheque book out.

[Firthy]

Why are we letting Pope go for £10-12m Are we that desperate for money that we accept the first offer that comes along. Surely he's worth more than that.

[Nori1958]

Probably comes from their agents. I doubt that every single figure stated is 100% accurate, but they can give an overall picture of club's highest earners, average wage and so on.

I just doubt they're accurate, full stop

[Newcastleclaret93]

I just doubt they're accurate, full stop

I think they are fairly accurate tbh.

You look at Burnley’s one for example. It does to some extent match the accounts figures.

[tiger76]

Your last point there is a very interesting one tiger, I'm just a bit curious where the majority might lay the blame for this. It appears to me this could have been one reason for the initial fall out between sd and mg. Some year's ago I read an article in a daily paper stating sd was much more than a football manager at Burnley and went on to say he was involved with much more including the finances. Which leads me on to thinking garlick wanted to bring in new face's, yet dyche wanted to stick with the old guard and experienced players, I do believe that it possibly got beyond the 2 working together and was consequently the reason garlick eventually just got out. Of course he was never going to walk away empty handed and you could say left with he's pockets full, just a thought regarding the way the relationship went between the two of them. To re-iterate my point, we all know how stubborn dyche was, was loathe to use the loan market, wouldn't try any of the youngsters, McNeil apart, would only sign a certain type, lots of players throughout the leagues have to be coached and moulded into the finished article. Consequently ending up with exactly the final point you made tiger, I'm not sure it was all down to mg just not wanting to get the cheque book out.

I don't want to go over old ground again, but for me both Dyche and Garlick are equally culpable for our failings in the market post our 7th placed finish.

The former for not seeing how the squad was ageing and needed freshening up, and if this meant cashing in on a couple of saleable assets then so be it.

The latter for simply not stretching the purse strings, but clearly their relationship broke down beyond repair in the end.

Anyway that's ancient history now, and we are in a new regime on and off the pitch, so let's look to the future and not hark back to the past.

[ervi34]

I just doubt they're accurate, full stop

Why is that? I don't claim that they are accurate for every single penny, and to be fair, in order to drive some conclusion when using that kind of data, you don't need them to be 100% accurate.

[ClaretTony]

Zack Steffen mentioned as Pope’s replacement by a Popular city account on twitter.

Guess he’ll be wanting regular football in World Cup year.

Isn’t it Arijanet Muric he’s interested in at City?

[Tricky Trevor]

A piece in this mornings news about Newcastle having to sell AS-M to make signings. Maybe the oily Saudis aren’t putting as much money in as folk thought. Mustn’t trust Eddie.

[RVclaret]

Isn’t it Arijanet Muric he’s interested in at City?

That’s what Nixon suggested.

Steffen been their number 2 though and is available it would seem.

[ClaretTony]

That’s what Nixon suggested.

Steffen been their number 2 though and is available it would seem.

I got it from a non media link - nothing to substantiate it though

[RVclaret]

I got it from a non media link - nothing to substantiate it though

Interesting. I’m sure VK will be quizzed on transfers tomorrow. Though I guess he’ll be as tight lipped as Dyche was. Are we expecting Pace to make an appearance there too?