Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[alwaysaclaret]

Several news feeds surfacing that we've agreed deal for Scott Twine

[Barnesy]

Has Twine started “following” us on social media?
That is the modern clincher.

Has this now taken over from asking Tony if he as an article prepared?

[Cleveleys_claret]

If Pope's fee is used to cover Twine, Ballard and Bellis then it softens the blow of losing Pope a little and you can see the way we are looking at operating in the future.

[jedi_master]

Is Harwood-Bellis still coming? A lot of chatter last week was that he was a certainty to join but nothing much has been said for a while. I’d be really happy bringing two highly rated young lads in to replace Mee and Tarky.

If we manage to hold onto Collins that gives us three young centre backs who will only grow in value, with an experienced 4th choice in Long for emergencies. I assume we will be bringing in two as things stand (Ballard and Harwood-Bellis) with the intention to also sign McNally if we sell Collins?

[Smile]

If Pope's fee is used to cover Twine, Ballard and Bellis then it softens the blow of losing Pope a little and you can see the way we are looking at operating in the future.

I read that we had to sell before Kompany could buy. With no bids currently in for other players, this might have been the only way. If so, then like you say it seems like sound reinvestment.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Hennessey
Roberts, Collins, Ballard, Taylor
Cork, Brownhill
Gudmundsson, Twine, McNeil
Jay

Is the basis of a decent team. Sign a Decent striker, RM and CM and that’s a very strong eleven.

Hopefully we can fill out the reserves as well.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Is Harwood-Bellis still coming? A lot of chatter last week was that he was a certainty to join but nothing much has been said for a while. I’d be really happy bringing two highly rated young lads in to replace Mee and Tarky.

If we manage to hold onto Collins that gives us three young centre backs who will only grow in value, with an experienced 4th choice in Long for emergencies. I assume we will be bringing in two as things stand (Ballard and Harwood-Bellis) with the intention to also sign McNally if we sell Collins?

It wouldn't surprise me if we were trying to set up a pipeline as such with City. With high sell on fees for players we acquire from them. Maybe way out but wouldn't surprise me 3 or 4 coming in from City for reasonable fees but with 40/50% selling on fees

[Lancasterclaret]

Hennessey
Roberts, Collins, Ballard, Taylor
Cork, Brownhill
Gudmundsson, Twine, McNeil
Jay

Is the basis of a decent team. Sign a Decent striker, RM and CM and that’s a very strong eleven.

Hopefully we can fill out the reserves as well.

We need cover for JBG

I mean, we can't rely on him, however much I love the bloke

[RVclaret]

Hennessey
Roberts, Collins, Ballard, Taylor
Cork, Brownhill
Gudmundsson, Twine, McNeil
Jay

Is the basis of a decent team. Sign a Decent striker, RM and CM and that’s a very strong eleven.

Hopefully we can fill out the reserves as well.

It will be interesting to see where VK plays Twine (if he signs). In his 4–2-2-2 system I could see him playing off the left and McNeil the right, both would be drifting inwards. But like you’ve highlighted he is also natural in the 10.

[Cleveleys_claret]

I read that we had to sell before Kompany could buy. With no bids currently in for other players, this might have been the only way. If so, then like you say it seems like sound reinvestment.

Personally don't think we need to sell before we can buy. Just the size of the task of rebuilding the squad and with enough options beyond a starting 11 which suit Kompanys style of play. It's a massive task really and I may be way out but can see 7/8 signings, so we really need to make sure what we do spend is spent wisely and get maximum value from each signing. So I envisage lots of links like McNally but then opting for another like Ballard when deals don't suit us

[Newcastleclaret93]

It will be interesting to see where VK plays Twine (if he signs). In his 4–2-2-2 system I could see him playing off the left and McNeil the right, both would be drifting inwards. But like you’ve highlighted he is also natural in the 10.

I personally think he will play as part of the 2 in the 442 system.

Put perhaps drop a little deeper into a 10 when in possession

[jedi_master]

Even after Ballard, Harwood-Bellis and Twine (if they all join), I feel we'll need:

Another CM due to Westwood's injury (possibly Cullen), at least one more winger (I'd be keen to say two really, with Lennon having left and Gudmundsson being totally unreliable, make that three when Cornet goes), a left back and a striker (when Weghorst is gone).

[Woonderbah]

It wouldn't surprise me if we were trying to set up a pipeline as such with City. With high sell on fees for players we acquire from them. Maybe way out but wouldn't surprise me 3 or 4 coming in from City for reasonable fees but with 40/50% selling on fees

Kompany gets on very well with Arteta too

[Newcastleclaret93]

Even after Ballard, Harwood-Bellis and Twine (if they all join), I feel we'll need:

Another CM due to Westwood's injury (possibly Cullen), at least one more winger (I'd be keen to say two really, with Lennon having left and Gudmundsson being totally unreliable, make that three when Cornet goes), a left back and a striker (when Weghorst is gone).

I think two at most would required for wingers.

Twine can play there. We have McNeil and it looks like Costelloe is set to feature this season.

You potentially argue just 1 winger would be required.

I still have a sneaky feeling Tucker might make the step up this season. I have really enjoyed watching him for the u23s

[FeedTheArf]

Boden now saying he believes the Twine deal is close. Excited by this one!

[jedi_master]

I think two at most would required for wingers.

Twine can play there. We have McNeil and it looks like Costelloe is set to feature this season.

You potentially argue just 1 winger would be required.

I still have a sneaky feeling Tucker might make the step up this season. I have really enjoyed watching him for the u23s

I don’t know enough about Twine and should probably research, I assumed he was a centre forward? In my head we have one winger in McNeil that I either don’t expect to be sold or believe is fit enough for a 46 game season, hence I feel we do need two. If Twine is a winger, yes, 1.

[RVclaret]

Chris Boden confirms Twine and Ballard are close to signing

[CFS]

Hennessey
Roberts, Collins, Ballard, Taylor
Cork, Brownhill
Gudmundsson, Twine, McNeil
Jay

Is the basis of a decent team. Sign a Decent striker, RM and CM and that’s a very strong eleven.

Hopefully we can fill out the reserves as well.

We won't have Collins,brownhill and Roberts by the end of this window.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Boden confirming twine is close now

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don’t know enough about Twine and should probably research, I assumed he was a centre forward? In my head we have one winger in McNeil that I either don’t expect to be sold or believe is fit enough for a 46 game season, hence I feel we do need two. If Twine is a winger, yes, 1.

He can play as a winger and a ten

[JR1882]

I’m the same with THB a little unsure.

Ballard, Collins, long, Thomas

If we sign THB I take that to mean that Collins will depart.

Happy with the Ballard deal, that’s exactly the sort of thing we should be doing, a safety net for the selling club in terms of a buyback/first option if they fulfil their potential. City have done it with a few of their sales, Douglas Luiz has a buyback of about 25m I think.

Twine seems a good addition and is worth 15-20m if he scores 15/20 goals next season.

[tiger76]

Chris Boden confirms Twine and Ballard are close to signing

Twine would be an exciting addition, don't know much about Ballard, but what I've read sounds promising.

And it's pleasing that we're targeting young players to compliment our experienced pros.

[jedi_master]

We won't have Collins,brownhill and Roberts by the end of this window.

Collins you could could well be right, but I would be stunned if someone came in for Brownhill or Roberts that is a demonstrably better option than Burnley.

Roberts, especially, has it all to prove for me. In fact, if someone was really going to throw money at him I'd be keen to take it as I think we can do better. I am sure he is going to be very decent at this level, but he was a long way short last season (for me).

Brownhill is a solid, hard-working player but again, lacks enough quality to get a better chance of top flight football than with us (in my opinion). I'd be sad to see him go.

[Murger]

Tis getting a little bit exciting now.

[RVclaret]

Twine would be an exciting addition, don't know much about Ballard, but what I've read sounds promising.

And it's pleasing that we're targeting young players to compliment our experienced pros.

If we start off our summer business with Twine, Ballard and THB it would be incredibly impressive and promising.

[Smile]

Collins you could could well be right, but I would be stunned if someone came in for Brownhill or Roberts that is a demonstrably better option than Burnley.

Roberts, especially, has it all to prove for me. In fact, if someone was really going to throw money at him I'd be keen to take it as I think we can do better. I am sure he is going to be very decent at this level, but he was a long way short last season (for me).

Brownhill is a solid, hard-working player but again, lacks enough quality to get a better chance of top flight football than with us (in my opinion). I'd be sad to see him go.

A few sources have also said that we'll only sell Collins if a silly offer comes in.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Twine is a truly top signing. Everyone should be excited by this one.

[Jambo]

I guess how strongly we can rebuff interest in Collins depends on who else goes - and for how much.

Twine sounds great - for the first time in years it will be worth getting excited when we get a free kick around the box. No more Brownhill dumping three set pieces every game straight into the stands.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Twine is a truly top signing. Everyone should be excited by this one.

who is this and what have you done to the previous newcastleclaret

[jedi_master]

Do we think Kompany knew of these players (Ballard, Twine etc) or are they recommendations from our scouts? I am sure Anderlecht kept abreast of what was happening in English leagues but I was expecting a conveyer belt of Belgian League players in the main so it's quite surprising to me (not that I am complaining, as both are the exact sort of profile we need).

[clarethomer]

If we sign THB I take that to mean that Collins will depart.

Happy with the Ballard deal, that’s exactly the sort of thing we should be doing, a safety net for the selling club in terms of a buyback/first option if they fulfil their potential. City have done it with a few of their sales, Douglas Luiz has a buyback of about 25m I think.

Twine seems a good addition and is worth 15-20m if he scores 15/20 goals next season.

I'm not sure that would be the case - we have lost Tarks and Mee. You want at least 2 players for each place and I think Long has his contract up next year from what I heard Andy Jones saying on the turf cast podcast. Therefore to have Collins, Long, THB, Ballard & Thomas would mean that next season we are protected a little in terms of cover.

It appears that we are keen to keep Collins from what you read and the £40m pricetag we have put on him as we know that if someone wants to pay that we will need to buy at a higher level of experience perhaps should he go.

All the signings for me are clearly there to lower the age of the playing squad.

THB, Ballard have 1st team experience with good opportunity to develop and sell on at the right time. Something the PL didn't afford us to do very well at all.

[RVclaret]

Twine is a truly top signing. Everyone should be excited by this one.

Not getting too excited till I see it confirmed by the club.

But agree, it would be a really, really good signing.

[tiger76]

If we start off our summer business with Twine, Ballard and THB it would be incredibly impressive and promising.

Indeed changed days from signing the likes of Lennon and Stephens isn't it, and the type of players we're being linked with are ones with potential, which is an aspect of our transfer policy which has been badly neglected in recent years.

Last summer we netted Collins, Cornet and Roberts, so clearly there's been a seismic shift in our recruitment, and definitely for the better in my view.

[jedi_master]

I guess how strongly we can rebuff interest in Collins depends on who else goes - and for how much.

Twine sounds great - for the first time in years it will be worth getting excited when we get a free kick around the box. No more Brownhill dumping three set pieces every game straight into the stands.

Having watched his highlights reel just now on YouTube it's a very good point. I had seen him play on TV a couple of times (he scored a screamer for Swindon at Portman Road a year or two back that was on Sky as I recall) but didn't realise just how lethal he was from free-kicks. I'd guess he must have put 8 or 9 away last season alone - and that's a transferrable skill in any league.

We've been shite at them for years haven't we, pretty much since Robbie left. Ross Wallace scored a couple, and Brady likewise but they put far more over the bar in the main. Massive asset for us that.

[Jakubs Tash]

Fingers crossed these two deals get over the line.

Twine is exactly what we have been crying out for and would be a cracking start to the attacking recruitments. As others have said, can see him as a no 10 or playing as a narrow wide man.

Don't know anything about Ballard but listening to Millwall fans and their reaction to him it sounds like we've got a steal.

Time will tell, I suppose....

Still plenty of work to be done recruitment wise but this would be a good start.

[Smile]

If this business does come off, imagine what we could do if someone comes in for Cornet and gives us the £17.5m. We could keep the likes of McNeil, Roberts, Brownhill and Collins and bring in another 3-4.

[clarethomer]

Do we think Kompany knew of these players (Ballard, Twine etc) or are they recommendations from our scouts? I am sure Anderlecht kept abreast of what was happening in English leagues but I was expecting a conveyer belt of Belgian League players in the main so it's quite surprising to me (not that I am complaining, as both are the exact sort of profile we need).

The club supposedly is looking at the data driven approach in finding players who will add value - the moneyball approach I think its been referred to.

VK came on board I believe with the understanding and desire to work with younger players and develop a different playing style/brand of football and was happy to work with this approach.

I can't say I know the ins and outs of it but I think there has been mention he was involved with creating the shortlists for players needed ahead of his announcement etc so will be fully onboard with these players you would imagine.

[KlyBfc]

Twine is a truly top signing. Everyone should be excited by this one.

I agree. I have only seen him in the play off second leg v Wycombe and he did impress me. I’d not really heard of him before that game, but he had me digging round the internet to find out more about him. His touch, movement and vision are what shone through. Hopefully he will step up to the new level (I’m confident he will) the big question then will be as he then got the speed to play up again (either with us or in eventual resale).

[Newcastleclaret93]

who is this and what have you done to the previous newcastleclaret

Haha, people generally think I’m just a negative ****.

I think I’m just emotional about Burnley. When things go well il be buzzing.

The signing of Twine is a massive step in the right direction. He’s destined for the prem and hopefully he takes us there.

[nyclaret]

Joe Allen leaving Stoke on a free… worth a cheeky bid?

[Paul Waine]

It wouldn't surprise me if we were trying to set up a pipeline as such with City. With high sell on fees for players we acquire from them. Maybe way out but wouldn't surprise me 3 or 4 coming in from City for reasonable fees but with 40/50% selling on fees

No way should any deal be done for 40/50% sell on fees. If a selling club wants to do this then they should loan out with no more than modest loan fees. Look what happened with Tarks 27% (as reported) sell on fee to Brentford. Burnley was always better off keeping him until he ran his contract down - because there wasn't enough in the sale value for Burnley to be able to replace.

In addition to limits on clubs signing players and then loaning them out, there should also be limits on clubs selling players with sizeable sell on fees.

[Murger]

Joe Allen leaving Stoke on a free… worth a cheeky bid?

Under the old regime, he'd have been a no brainer.

[KefkaClaret]

Twine would be a cracking signing, well played if we get it done.

[jojomk1]

Joe Allen leaving Stoke on a free… worth a cheeky bid?

Sean would have signed him

[dsr]

A few sources have also said that we'll only sell Collins if a silly offer comes in.

Makes sense. We sold Pope when a silly offer came in.

[claretandy]

No way should any deal be done for 40/50% sell on fees. If a selling club wants to do this then they should loan out with no more than modest loan fees. Look what happened with Tarks 27% (as reported) sell on fee to Brentford. Burnley was always better off keeping him until he ran his contract down - because there wasn't enough in the sale value for Burnley to be able to replace.

In addition to limits on clubs signing players and then loaning them out, there should also be limits on clubs selling players with sizeable sell on fees.

I think Ben mee was 40%.

[Tall Paul]

Makes sense. We sold Pope when a silly offer came in.

How do you know what offer we accepted, the fee is undisclosed.

[Pearcey]

I really don’t get the mocking of SD. He did brilliantly with the money he was given.

As for Twine and Ballard; I’d be delighted if we get them over the line.

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/Gareth_Vincent/stat ... 0936643584

First, I owe Louisollie an apology as he was bang on with this

Second, he sounds like he was spot on with Twine as well

Looks like someone really does have some good contacts

[Paul Waine]

I think Ben mee was 40%.

Not heard that before. If there's any truth that's another example of why it shouldn't happen.