How would we lineup under Vincent Kompany?

[Mattster]

Last month I wrote a couple of articles taking a look into how we'd lineup under earlier frontrunners Knutsen and Wilder, now I've written a piece on how we might lineup under Kompany

https://claretmatt.medium.com/vincent-k ... 6466f84452

[Newcastleclaret93]

Good read to be honest.

I think it highlights how weak our squad is though. I’m hoping a number of the players highlighted would be replaced in those positions.

[Walkerpool]

If we get Vincent Kompany we must have some money for transfers and hopefully a couple of young city players on loan will do.

[RVclaret]

Nicely done again. Though from what I’ve read the defensive midfielder doesn’t actually split the two cbs, his system is quite unique in the sense the midfielder drops into an RCB position. It requires a good passing range in this position and I think we could look at Gustavo Hamer from Coventry who’s really impressed this year as a deep lying playmaker. Cork would also do okay.

Cole Palmer would be a cheat code in this league, not sure we’ll be able to get him but you never know. Scott Twine is someone I hope we go in for too from MK, like you say. Tommy Doyle could be another loan option from City in one of those attacking midfield roles.

[RVclaret]

John Swift on a free would also be an excellent signing for this system

[gtclaret]

Cole Palmer on loan wow

[Tricky Trevor]

Well thought through piece but no mention of Max Cornet or Kevin Long.

[Mattster]

Nicely done again. Though from what I’ve read the defensive midfielder doesn’t actually split the two cbs, his system is quite unique in the sense the midfielder drops into an RCB position.

That's true but I got the impression that was due to the RCB Magallan not having the ability in possession to join the attacks. I felt at Burnley if it was Cork and Collins it would be different given Collins' attacking contributions.

[Mattster]

Well thought through piece but no mention of Max Cornet or Kevin Long.

I'm just so sure Cornet is off I didn't bother. And I'd hope Thomas will take over from Long now we've dropped a level.

[gandhisflipflop]

I’d honestly love it if we loaned Palmer and signed John Swift.
Having midfield options of Palmer, Swift, cork,brownhill and Westwood would easily walk that league.

[Tricky Trevor]

I'm just so sure Cornet is off I didn't bother. And I'd hope Thomas will take over from Long now we've dropped a level.

Fair enough. I’d guessed for Max but I wouldn’t write Kevin Long off just yet. I haven’t seen enough of Thomas to rate him, good or poor.

[Guller Bull]

Thomas looks commanding. I would happily have him in behind Collins and Mee . Long also in his never let us down role.

[pushpinpussy]

4-4-2

[Vegas Claret]

joint 2nd highest scorers in the league and only the champions conceded less. Some of that please

[KRBFC]

Zirkzee was on loan from Bayern who want rid in the summer, 8m euros.

[Belgianclaret]

Zirkzee would be a good shout, reckon he still has good contacts at City for possible loans.

Kompany is a bold choice.

Definitely had the potential to become a good manager, but for me still too inexperienced. Didn’t exactly pull up any trees in Belgium, and even the Championship is two or more levels above the Belgian top league

[RVclaret]

Zirkzee would be a good shout, reckon he still has good contacts at City for possible loans.

Kompany is a bold choice.

Definitely had the potential to become a good manager, but for me still too inexperienced. Didn’t exactly pull up any trees in Belgium, and even the Championship is two or more levels above the Belgian top league

He’s got more experience than Dyche had. And far better contacts. He’s done a solid job at Anderlecht without it being ‘wow incredible’, but if it had been, he probably wouldn’t be coming to us. How does he get more experience, by taking on this role and winning promotion.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He’s got more experience than Dyche had. And far better contacts. He’s done a solid job at Anderlecht without it being ‘wow incredible’, but if it had been, he probably wouldn’t be coming to us. How does he get more experience, by taking on this role and winning promotion.

I think your right solid but not spectacular pretty describes his time in Belgium.

It’s the potential and his links which we have to be focusing on.

[RVclaret]

I think your right solid but not spectacular pretty describes his time in Belgium.

It’s the potential and his links which we have to be focusing on.

Agree - as well as the positive, passing football that would be nice to see! Think he’ll be willing to give youth a chance too which is good for finding breakthrough talent / selling on for decent fees.

[Commy]

Vincent Kompany and no Leeds. We might be on Sky a lot.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Agree - as well as the positive, passing football that would be nice to see! Think he’ll be willing to give youth a chance too which is good for finding breakthrough talent / selling on for decent fees.

That’s true, my only concern with kompany is I just dont think he’s a manager that’s going to get us out of the championship. But if he gets us playing decent football it will certainly be a decent step forward.

[RVclaret]

That’s true, my only concern with kompany is I just dont think he’s a manager that’s going to get us out of the championship. But if he gets us playing decent football it will certainly be a decent step forward.

I don’t see why not, especially if he brings together a few top signings for this league, to add to our already strong defence / core. From reports he seems pretty switched on tactically. I don’t think Pace would be hiring him if he didn’t think he could / Kompany would take the job if he didn’t think he could.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don’t see why not, especially if he brings together a few top signings for this league, to add to our already strong defence / core. From reports he seems pretty switched on tactically. I don’t think Pace would be hiring him if he didn’t think he could / Kompany would take the job if he didn’t think he could.

It’s a possibility but everything about him just reminds me of Lampard at Derby. No management experience and everyone going crazy because he’s a big name.

[tarkys_ears]

If he is our new gaffer (has he signed yet?) - it shows a memorandum of understanding that were not afraid to try new things and hopefully look to rebuild from the ground up with a fresh new start.

Well have to see what's what in the coming months I guess

[RVclaret]

It’s a possibility but everything about him just reminds me of Lampard at Derby. No management experience and everyone going crazy because he’s a big name.

Lampard got derby to a play off final. If we keep our core and add some good players to it that should also be a minimum for us and him.

[blake's wand]

Wasn't Derby lampard's first job? Kompany has at least had a few years at a top level, probably a better level than the championship

[Newcastleclaret93]

Wasn't Derby lampard's first job? Kompany has at least had a few years at a top level, probably a better level than the championship

Yes Derby was lampards first job.

And no the Belgian league is not near the same level.

[Swizzlestick]

Lampard got derby to a play off final. If we keep our core and add some good players to it that should also be a minimum for us and him.

Lampard also was able to get Mount and Tomori on loan thanks to his Chelsea connections. Hopefully big Vinny has a similar effect at City.

[Belgianclaret]

I.m.o., here are the pro's and cons of VK:

PRO:

- will certainly try to play an attractive brand of football
- has good contacts with City and will also be more motivated to bring in more European players which are promising and affordable for us - this to compliment the strong British defensive backbone (something I have advocated for a long time)

CONS:

- still very much an apprentice with a steep learning curve ahead of him
- no experience in Championship football, which is still a totally different kettle of fish than the premier league (the recruitments must be able to cope with a quick succession of games with a higher physical level)
- nice football doesn't guarantee results in the Championship, and that was the greatest asset of SD: setting up a non spectacular but ever so effective and organized team

If however he is able (and is supported) to bring in some more experience in CM (players who can really dictate play like Defour in his better days), and is supported by an experienced backroom team (Burnley through & through), then Pace's thinking out of the box may reap dividends.

Interesting times ahead

[RVclaret]

I.m.o., here are the pro's and cons of VK:

PRO:

- will certainly try to play an attractive brand of football
- has good contacts with City and will also be more motivated to bring in more European players which are promising and affordable for us - this to compliment the strong British defensive backbone (something I have advocated for a long time)

CONS:

- still very much an apprentice with a steep learning curve ahead of him
- no experience in Championship football, which is still a totally different kettle of fish than the premier league (the recruitments must be able to cope with a quick succession of games with a higher physical level)
- nice football doesn't guarantee results in the Championship, and that was the greatest asset of SD: setting up a non spectacular but ever so effective and organized team

If however he is able (and is supported) to bring in some more experience in CM (players who can really dictate play like Defour in his better days), and is supported by an experienced backroom team (Burnley through & through), then Pace's thinking out of the box may reap dividends.

Interesting times ahead

To add to your positives:

- young, hungry and ambitious - if he’s anything like he was as a player he will want to get to the very top, this means learning and improving himself while being very disciplined
- working with youngsters - shown at Anderlecht with an average age of 22.5 - we have a few promising u23s (Richardson, Helm, Dodgson, Mancini Gomez, Thomas, Costelloe) who could all be introduced into the first team

As an additional note to you, I saw he wanted to sign Rabi Matondo this summer at Anderlecht, someone I know you mentioned on here for us not long ago. Could be one to keep an eye on, do you think he’d play in the Champ?

[Belgianclaret]

Indeed, here are some more positives:

- his wife is a Mancunian girl, his kids speak very good English and they both love the area so there will be no problems in settling in
- he is no big head, and will strike up a good report with the fans (certainly if he starts off well)
- his profile and connection to Burnley will generate interest in the team and the area

[Belgianclaret]

By the way RV, I was the one who mentioned Rabi Matondo

But I think he will be eyeing up other prospects

[Newcastleclaret93]

There good points RV but clearly Pace has set the target of promotion this season.

How long do we give Kompany to implement this change?

[RVclaret]

There good points RV but clearly Pace has set the target of promotion this season.

How long do we give Kompany to implement this change?

Completely agree, promotion has to be the aim. Let’s hope Pace backs Kompany with some funds (even if limited) to put together a top 2 side. I don’t think Scott Parker is a great manager yet Bournemouth went up auto as their squad, in the end, was too good. Dyche had us in 4th/5th in our last title winning season by Boxing Day before the 23 game unbeaten run. So I’d say by a similar time we need to still be within striking distance (ideally already in) the auto places.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Completely agree, promotion has to be the aim. Let’s hope Pace backs Kompany with some funds (even if limited) to put together a top 2 side. I don’t think Scott Parker is a great manager yet Bournemouth went up auto as their squad, in the end, was too good. Dyche had us in 4th/5th in our last title winning season by Boxing Day before the 23 game unbeaten run. So I’d say by a similar time we need to still be within striking distance (ideally already in) the auto places.

It’s going to be a tough ask.

I do wonder whether Pace would pot him at Christmas if outside the top 6.

[RVclaret]

It’s going to be a tough ask.

I do wonder whether Pace would pot him at Christmas if outside the top 6.

Depends if we can keep our defence in tact. I’ve said to you before that a defence of Roberts Collins Mee and Taylor is the best in the Championship. Hennessey would be decent enough to replace Pope, unless Kompany goes for James Trafford from City for more ball playing ability.

Point being, with some clever signings in attack, I don’t think the ask is as tough as you might think, without it being a walk in the park which some may have you believe.

I must say, it’s quite typical of you to be discussing a manager being potted before he’s even been announced for the job.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Depends if we can keep our defence in tact. I’ve said to you before that a defence of Roberts Collins Mee and Taylor is the best in the Championship. Hennessey would be decent enough to replace Pope, unless Kompany goes for James Trafford from City for more ball playing ability.

Point being, with some clever signings in attack, I don’t think the ask is as tough as you might think, without it being a walk in the park which some may have you believe.

I must say, it’s quite typical of you to be discussing a manager being potted before he’s even been announced for the job.

I think it’s because I just genuinely can’t see Kompany getting us promoted.

Defence is solid, I’m more just concerned with the rest of the team and the age. I keep reading that this midfield is good enough, it’s really not. If we go into the season with the same midfield bar 1 signing then we are going to have the same problems we had this season.

[RVclaret]

I think it’s because I just genuinely can’t see Kompany getting us promoted.

Defence is solid, I’m more just concerned with the rest of the team and the age. I keep reading that this midfield is good enough, it’s really not. If we go into the season with the same midfield bar 1 signing then we are going to have the same problems we had this season.

Well you should try to think more positvely.

Kompany will no doubt use his contacts at City to make several loan signigns. The max we are allowed from them is 4, that wouldn't surprise me. Already that brings the average age down significantly. And we hardly spend a dime in doing it.

We all know midfield is an area for serious improvement and I'm confident, with Westwood out, Cork getting on and Stephens OOC, this will be an area of priority this summer. Will be interesting to see if he tries to bring Josh Cullen, 26 year old Irish international, from Anderlecht with him.

[arise_sir_charge]

Absolutely no idea what his signings and ultimately his team snd tactics will be, but can’t see him getting us promoted, bore off.

[agreenwood]

Newcastleclaret on every thread.

We must do this…no not like that

We must sign this….no not that one

We must appoint one….no not him

[Newcastleclaret93]

Absolutely no idea what his signings and ultimately his team snd tactics will be, but can’t see him getting us promoted, bore off.

I think asking a manager to come in with no managerial experience, to take on a club managed by one of our most successful managers ever with the oldest squad in the league and expecting him to get us promoted is incredibly tough ask. If you don’t think that fair enough.

[RVclaret]

Newcastleclaret on every thread.

We must do this…no not like that

We must sign this….no not that one

We must appoint one….no not him

It’s funny, when Kompany’s name was first mentioned, he said ‘Kompany would actually be very good in the Championship Tbf’. Now that others are getting excited he’s chosen to take the opposite view, isn’t that the signs of a troll?

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s funny, when Kompany’s name was first mentioned, he said ‘Kompany would actually be very good in the Championship Tbf’. Now that others are getting excited he’s chosen to take the opposite view, isn’t that the signs of a troll?

I do think he would be good. I have said a few times I think he would get us playing good stuff which is my main positive.

I just don’t think he gets us promoted.

[agreenwood]

I think asking a manager to come in with no managerial experience, to take on a club managed by one of our most successful managers ever with the oldest squad in the league and expecting him to get us promoted is incredibly tough ask. If you don’t think that fair enough.

He’s got two full years managerial experience and all the other factors you list would exist for any other manager that came in.

I don’t usually ask this because I tend to see it as futile, but seen as you’re just about anti every decision the club ever makes, who would you have brought in?

[Newcastleclaret93]

He’s got three years managerial experience and all the other factors you list would exist for any other manager that came in.

I don’t usually ask this because I tend to see it as futile, but seen as you’re just about anti every decision the club ever makes, who would you have brought in?

It’s dependant on a few factors, I don’t think promotion is realistic this season regardless of who comes in as there is so much change happening at every level.

However Pace has made it clear promotion is the main target this season. So based on that:

Championship Wilder or Farke would have made the most sense. Both serial winners and have experience of numerous promotions.

[Andingle]

All future great managers start somewhere

[claretonthecoast1882]

From the Championship games I have seen this season (granted not a huge amount but a decent number and the play off games) I must have watched the wrong championship. Apart from Fulham and Forest at times there wasn't a good side in the league this season and 1 of them has already gone up and the other stands a good chance.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Newcastleclaret on every thread.

We must do this…no not like that

We must sign this….no not that one

We must appoint one….no not him

The guy is a grade a crank and should be laughed at rather than paid any attention to. You would have to have a very lonely life to spend almost all your time on a forum of a football club you care little about and whinge at everything that happens. There is a whole world out there. Can you imagine what he is like when talking about something boring.

[Newcastleclaret93]

All future great managers start somewhere

Yes I think he can be good if given the time to build something. Squad needs a complete overhaul

[derryclaret]

Well you should try to think more positvely.

Kompany will no doubt use his contacts at City to make several loan signigns. The max we are allowed from them is 4, that wouldn't surprise me. Already that brings the average age down significantly. And we hardly spend a dime in doing it.

We all know midfield is an area for serious improvement and I'm confident, with Westwood out, Cork getting on and Stephens OOC, this will be an area of priority this summer. Will be interesting to see if he tries to bring Josh Cullen, 26 year old Irish international, from Anderlecht with him.

Josh Cullen is a definite possibility, Kompany rates him and he's been an automatic choice for Anderlecht this season and has been named in the Belgian league team of the season. A solid defensive midfielder with an excellent work ethic, one of the first names when Stephen Kenny picks his team, would do well in the championship