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England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:33 pm

Channel 4 at 7.

Are we all excited??? :D

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Smile » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:35 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:33 pm
Are we all excited??? :D
It'll be turned on at 7.45pm. Owen will be talking absolute twaddle for 45 minutes.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:35 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:33 pm
Channel 4 at 7.

Are we all excited??? :D
I can hardly wait.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Smile » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:36 pm

Ramsdale
James Maguire Tomori Trippier
Ward-Prowse, Rice
Sterling Mount Grealish
Kane

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Re: England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:38 pm

Don't mind Ward-Prowse starting. Don't know why Mount keeps getting picked has done nothing in an England shirt. Glad Geealish is starting too.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Pickles » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:39 pm

Smile wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:35 pm
It'll be turned on at 7.45pm. Owen will be talking absolute twaddle for 45 minutes.
Surprised Channel Four have got him so heavily involved. Charisma of cardboard. He's just so dull.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:39 pm

Ramsdale plays - Southgate really does hate us

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Re: England v Italy

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:42 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:39 pm
Ramsdale plays - Southgate really does hate us
What on earth are you talking about?

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Smile » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:43 pm

Pickles wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:39 pm
Surprised Channel Four have got him so heavily involved. Charisma of cardboard. He's just so dull.
He's like Joe Johnson / Phil Yates in snooker commentary. He just completely ruins it. And Channel 4 must know that, yet they still got him.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:43 pm

Might give it a look when the cricket's finished.

1st England game at Molineux since 1956.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:43 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:39 pm
Ramsdale plays - Southgate really does hate us
:lol: Nah he’s just a better all round goal keeper, surprisingly and most importantly the world seems to agree except some Burnley fans
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Re: England v Italy

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:44 pm

If Pope plays for Arsenal he gets picked , as simple as that
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Re: England v Italy

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:49 pm

Smile wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:36 pm
Ramsdale
James Maguire Tomori Trippier
Ward-Prowse, Rice
Sterling Mount Grealish
Kane
Abraham is playing upfront not Kane.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by bobinho » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:50 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:38 pm
Don't mind Ward-Prowse starting. Don't know why Mount keeps getting picked has done nothing in an England shirt. Glad Geealish is starting too.
Me neither... no doubt if asked about Mounts inclusion, GS will roll out the overused "he's never let me down" line.

Lost faith in GS I'm afraid. He unnecessarily complicates what is and should be a simple game. And lets be honest, some of his selections and set ups are mind boggling. And he's started making as much sense in interviews as Garth Crooks...

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Smile » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:55 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:49 pm
Abraham is playing upfront not Kane.
Quite right. I had a look on FotMob and didn't even look to see if it was Kane as I just expected it.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:59 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:42 pm
What on earth are you talking about?
If you think Ramsdale has had a better season than Pope then fair enough - but it looks like Pope is being treated in the same way as Tarka

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Re: England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:04 pm

2000 kids on. Be like watching an under 21 game.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:09 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:59 pm
If you think Ramsdale has had a better season than Pope then fair enough - but it looks like Pope is being treated in the same way as Tarka
Kept more clean sheets for a start and better shot save %.

But more to the point, he’s playing for arsenal for a reason, he’s quite decent with his distribution, that’s why Pope doesn’t get in.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:12 pm

Italy are 15/4 for a win so Ive gone on that. I hope I'm wrong but that starting XI doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Pickles » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:17 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:04 pm
2000 kids on. Be like watching an under 21 game.
Or this messageboard during half term.
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Re: England v Italy

Post by Venkys4eva » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:19 pm

Would rather watch paint dry

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:20 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:09 pm
Kept more clean sheets for a start and better shot save %.

But more to the point, he’s playing for arsenal for a reason, he’s quite decent with his distribution, that’s why Pope doesn’t get in.
Shhhhh it’s a conspiracy against a side so good we got relegated

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Re: England v Italy

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:25 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:50 pm


Lost faith in GS I'm afraid.
You were one of the posters on here slagging England off throughout the Euros, after every game, while we reached the final. Seems like you never had faith and he can do no right.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:37 pm

Think I'll have the Wales game on.
Sc4

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Re: England v Italy

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:42 pm

I am tuning in to watch Wayne Hennessey, to see if he can perform some more heroics.
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Re: England v Italy

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:45 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:42 pm
I am tuning in to watch Wayne Hennessey, to see if he can perform some more heroics.
Roberts, too. ;)
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Re: England v Italy

Post by Boss Hogg » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:47 pm

Barely anyone watching England match. Looks like it’s being played under Covid restrictions.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:47 pm

Italy should've scored then.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:48 pm

Terrible miss from inside the box by Italy

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Re: England v Italy

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:49 pm

Should be one down.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:53 pm

The way these defenses have started could be a few goals.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:53 pm

Ze Germans are losing.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:54 pm

Mount has to score there.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:54 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:37 pm
Think I'll have the Wales game on.
Sc4
Yep, I've gone for that too. Wales just had one chalked off after a lengthy review; Roberts playing right wing-back, Hennessey in goal.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:54 pm

Wales 1 up

VAR
Cancelled
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Re: England v Italy

Post by Bosscat » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:55 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:54 pm
Mount has to score there.
Worse than Weghorsts when Mings got a foot on it 🙄

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Bosscat » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:57 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:54 pm
Wales 1 up

VAR
Cancelled
Hungary beating Deutchland
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Re: England v Italy

Post by bobinho » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:57 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:25 pm
You were one of the posters on here slagging England off throughout the Euros, after every game, while we reached the final. Seems like you never had faith and he can do no right.
Lost faith quite some time ago in GS I'm afraid. There...adjusted it for you. At first I was underwhelmed by the appointment, but being well aware of exactly what the FA want (media compliant, FA compliant, inoffensive, malleable) I wasn't surprised. Then i sort of got on board as he seemed to be doing what he stated he'd do - pick form players in positions they were familiar with and using tactics and formations they understood and were used to playing. Then he just got weird. He just started doing what most of the other England managers have done since Ramsey. I'm not gonna bother explaining what that is, i'm just assuming you know, but i'll ask this. How do you think some of Englands left backs feel about his team selection? How do you think they feel about watching the 2nd/3rd choice right back starting at left back?

You call it slagging off, I call it challenging the starting line ups and the tactics. We got to the final, how was that for you? How did the tactical genius that is Gareth Southgate manage the game?

With the players at his disposal, we SHOULD be European champions. Purely because of GS, we aren't - but we got to the final so it was a success right? I say it wasn't.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:59 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:55 pm
Worse than Weghorsts when Mings got a foot on it 🙄
He only needed to pass it in the corner. No need to blast it. Mount that is not Wout. 🤣

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:59 pm

Brilliant save by the Welsh Number One. 8-)

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:04 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:57 pm
Lost faith quite some time ago in GS I'm afraid. There...adjusted it for you. At first I was underwhelmed by the appointment, but being well aware of exactly what the FA want (media compliant, FA compliant, inoffensive, malleable) I wasn't surprised. Then i sort of got on board as he seemed to be doing what he stated he'd do - pick form players in positions they were familiar with and using tactics and formations they understood and were used to playing. Then he just got weird. He just started doing what most of the other England managers have done since Ramsey. I'm not gonna bother explaining what that is, i'm just assuming you know, but i'll ask this. How do you think some of Englands left backs feel about his team selection? How do you think they feel about watching the 2nd/3rd choice right back starting at left back?

You call it slagging off, I call it challenging the starting line ups and the tactics. We got to the final, how was that for you? How did the tactical genius that is Gareth Southgate manage the game?

With the players at his disposal, we SHOULD be European champions. Purely because of GS, we aren't - but we got to the final so it was a success right? I say it wasn't.
Said similar for a long while.
No England manager in my life has ever had the wealth of talent GS has had.
But he's ' clean cut', doesnt rock the boat or, get up go dodgy stuff.
Perfect fit fod the suits.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by AwayClaret » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:10 pm

Great save by Ramsdale.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:11 pm

What a save Ramsdale. Succeeding without having Burnley fans’ expectations of Pope, Taylor, Tarks, Mee and Lowton being at the back for England.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Bosscat » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:11 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:10 pm
Great save by Ramsdale.
A very Popesque save with his feet 😏

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:13 pm

Seeing refs letting so much go over the last 6 months I’ve decided it has to be a policy from on high to do away with diving. Pat on the back for whoever came up with that.
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Re: England v Italy

Post by bf2k » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:16 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:39 pm
Ramsdale plays - Southgate really does hate us
Best England goalkeeper

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Re: England v Italy

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:20 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:57 pm
Lost faith quite some time ago in GS I'm afraid. There...adjusted it for you. At first I was underwhelmed by the appointment, but being well aware of exactly what the FA want (media compliant, FA compliant, inoffensive, malleable) I wasn't surprised. Then i sort of got on board as he seemed to be doing what he stated he'd do - pick form players in positions they were familiar with and using tactics and formations they understood and were used to playing. Then he just got weird. He just started doing what most of the other England managers have done since Ramsey. I'm not gonna bother explaining what that is, i'm just assuming you know, but i'll ask this. How do you think some of Englands left backs feel about his team selection? How do you think they feel about watching the 2nd/3rd choice right back starting at left back?

You call it slagging off, I call it challenging the starting line ups and the tactics. We got to the final, how was that for you? How did the tactical genius that is Gareth Southgate manage the game?

With the players at his disposal, we SHOULD be European champions. Purely because of GS, we aren't - but we got to the final so it was a success right? I say it wasn't.
I'm not sure why you expect England to be European Champions, we've never won that trophy in our history.

The England left backs should pull their finger out, Chilwell can't stay fit, Shaw has been 2nd choice at United, Rose is history, Taylor's had the worst season of his Burnley career. Who else is left to play left back?

As for the team selection, every manager is judged on results, results have been good so the team selections have been justified wether you disagree or not it doesn't matter. You have every right to question the team selection if the teams losing games, questioning team selection of a side playing in a rotation pre-season competition that just came narrowly close to lifting the last major international trophy for the first ever time makes you look stupid imo.

Not to mention you look even more bonkers saying he's not picking players on form when Tammy Abraham is starting ahead of Harry Kane right now, Tomori and Ramsdale are starting. Mount has come off the back of a great season at Chelsea. Rice one of the best CM in the PL last year. Ward Prowse is even getting a chance. I don't know why you're so mad at the selection, who is this bang in form player not getting a sniff?

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Rowls » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:20 pm

It's so true about Southgate.

He's a useless manager and he had ample time to prove that at Middlesbrough.

It's like giving Mike Jackson the England manager's job.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:20 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:04 pm
2000 kids on. Be like watching an under 21 game.
Sounds like a ‘60s ladies hockey international at Wembley. 60k little schoolgirls screaming their lungs out.

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Re: England v Italy

Post by jos » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:24 pm

I’m currently watching in Italy, and nobody seems to be the least bit interested in the game. Mind you where I am is almost totally occupied by Germans.

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