Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Hedontplayforyou]

I’d also take Ben Davies , left footed and experienced at this level , wages are high yes but deals can be made with the parent club to subsidise said wages , if they really want to offload the player .

City did this with Joe Hart to us if I remember rightly

[Firthy]

I'd happily sell Collins for £30m if it means we can buy a £20m striker.

[jedi_master]

I’d also take Ben Davies , left footed and experienced at this level , wages are high yes but deals can be made with the parent club to subsidise said wages , if they really want to offload the player .

City did this with Joe Hart to us if I remember rightly

I’d take Davies too if Collins is indeed going.

He’s a ball playing CB too (certainly was at Preston) so he could easily fit into the system that Kompany seems to demand.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Matt cooper confirms Collins has a release clause.

He says he believes it’s between 20-25m. I suspect Johnpercy and James O’Connor are right that it’s 20m

[gandhisflipflop]

I could be wrong but I don’t believe they will target another CB. From all reports I’ve seen, Oxford fans are convinced McNally is more than good enough at this level and will be in the Prem soon. Him, Harwood Bellis, Egan Riley, Long, Thomas and Bedeau, that’s still 6 cb’s here.

I don’t rate long to be honest as a cb we should have if we are going for promotion. Thomas and bedeau I don’t know a lot about. It would be a big ask for them to make the step up.

[taio]

I'd happily sell Collins for £30m if it means we can buy a £20m striker.

It certainly wouldn't mean that.

[RVclaret]

Matt cooper confirms Collins has a release clause.

He says he believes it’s between 20-25m. I suspect Johnpercy and James O’Connor are right that it’s 20m

Sorry who’s Matt cooper?

[Tall Paul]

James O Connor

Has just tweeted:

Nathan Collins to Wolves

Big loss for Burnley but a fantastic signing by Wolves. I think it will be a great fit for Big Nathan aswell

Good job it was James and not Jason, or I would be worried.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Sorry who’s Matt cooper?

Wolves version of Boden.

[RVclaret]

Sorry who’s Matt cooper?

Found him

He also says

‘Seems to be a lot of conflicting reports on this though. Some are saying it’s as good as done, some are saying there’s no fee agreed. Again, make your own conclusions.’

[agreenwood]

Matt cooper confirms Collins has a release clause.

He says he believes it’s between 20-25m. I suspect Johnpercy and James O’Connor are right that it’s 20m

Matt Cooper does nothing of the sort. He says he doesn’t know. Keep spinning it tho.

[gandhisflipflop]

Matt cooper confirms Collins has a release clause.

He says he believes it’s between 20-25m. I suspect Johnpercy and James O’Connor are right that it’s 20m

When we talk of release clauses, there is a difference between a release clause and a relegation release clause. I don’t for one minute think the club would have agreed to a standard release clause of 20m, but in the event of relegation (which didn’t seem likely at the time of purchase) 20m could have been one of the hurdles to sign him.

[k90bfc]

If any player we have got WANTS to leave,let them go for as much as you can get for them,you are up for the challenge with Burnley,and Vincent Kompany or not,these young lads we have signed,are well up for it,that will do for me,after the dross of last season,look to the future,UTC

[Newcastleclaret93]

When we talk of release clauses, there is a difference between a release clause and a relegation release clause. I don’t for one minute think the club would have agreed to a standard release clause of 20m, but in the event of relegation (which didn’t seem likely at the time of purchase) 20m could have been one of the hurdles to sign him.

I suspect your right

It will be a clause in the event of relegation I imagine

[MrTopTier]

Jarrod Branthwaite available on loan from Everton.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Matt Cooper does nothing of the sort. He says he doesn’t know. Keep spinning it tho.

Not trying to spin anything I got a text with the exact message I posted. Didn’t get a tweet.

[Tall Paul]

Not trying to spin anything I got a text with the exact message I posted. Didn’t get a tweet.

You got a text from Matt Cooper?

[timel0veandtendayi]

I'd rather keep Collins but if anyone needs a reason to remain optimistic, it's worth taking a look at Fulham and Bournemouth's centre-backs from last year.

Tim Team, Tosin Adarabioyo. Lloyd Kelly and Nat Phillips.

They're all decent enough, I'm not saying they aren't, but the optimist in me says we could potentially have just as good or better with our newbies. I'd guess our nervousness is the lack of a leader or experience but we'll just have to go with it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You got a text from Matt Cooper?

Haha yes some random wolves reporter text me personally about it

[agreenwood]

Not trying to spin anything I got a text with the exact message I posted. Didn’t get a tweet.

People send you texts of things on Twitter so you can post them on UTC?

[gandhisflipflop]

If people think it’s bad on here, the Facebook comments are embarrassing

[Elizabeth]

I could be wrong but I don’t believe they will target another CB. From all reports I’ve seen, Oxford fans are convinced McNally is more than good enough at this level and will be in the Prem soon. Him, Harwood Bellis, Egan Riley, Long, Thomas and Bedeau, that’s still 6 cb’s here.

As they are so raw do you think Long is going to provide that much needed guidance that young players need?

[wbfc]

I cannot think of another team who came down sold all their best players and replaced them with untested players and got promoted.

But it is exciting and a long overdue reset and the probability of some passing football..

Top, bottom, mid table it will be what it is..

Think at home it will be okay. Away could be some chastening defeats

Hopefully we can have a few different formations...

Striking department looks bare... i hope we are not pinning hopes on Vydra ...

Defence remains to be seen

Midfield Cullen would be a good buy ...

Need 2 goalkeepers ..

Fingers crossed ...

[RVclaret]

As they are so raw do you think Long is going to provide that much needed guidance that young players need?

Possible, though he’s hardly that experienced given his lack of game time over the years.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If people think it’s bad on here, the Facebook comments are embarrassing

Twitters even worse

[boatshed bill]

As they are so raw do you think Long is going to provide that much needed guidance that young players need?

Do you do stand-up?

[TsarBomba]

I cannot think of another team who came down sold all their best players and replaced them with untested players and got promoted.

But it is exciting and a long overdue reset and the probability of some passing football..

Top, bottom, mid table it will be what it is..

Think at home it will be okay. Away could be some chastening defeats

Hopefully we can have a few different formations...

Striking department looks bare... i hope we are not pinning hopes on Vydra ...

Defence remains to be seen

Midfield Cullen would be a good buy ...

Need 2 goalkeepers ..

Fingers crossed ...

- kicking the can down the road re squad investment for 3+ years
- relegation (which likely results in losing your better players)
- new manager for the first time in 9 years (who plays a different style and wants a different profile of player)
- 12 (?) OOC players

Quadruple whammy, most of it entirely our own making.

We have 7 weeks of the window left.

Keep the faith!

[Lancasterclaret]

Twitters even worse

Not if you don't follow the total loons

[NewClaret]

- kicking the can down the road re squad investment for 3+ years
- relegation (which likely results in losing your better players)
- new manager for the first time in 9 years (who plays a different style and wants a different profile of player)
- 12 (?) OOC players

Quadruple whammy, most of it entirely our own making.

We have 7 weeks of the window left.

Keep the faith!

Impossible to disagree, it’s been pretty bad mismanagement.

Let’s see what the window brings but I don’t fancy us for promotion anywhere near as much as I did when we got relegated.

I’m starting to think we should just sell all our “PL players” (the ones allegedly attracting interest - Dwight, Taylor, Brownhill, Roberts & Cornet) as I really can’t see any of them wanting to stay when the others are being sold around them. Then start with a completely new team & go from there.

This is going to be as tough as United’s rebuild post-SAF. Although we do have the potential to do it quickly and decisively where they were left with an aging squad full of dead wood with nobody wanting them.

[Braindead]

When do we get to ask the question legitimately on asset stripping?

The football club is going to end up the only loser in this whole sorry affair. Exciting times.

Absolute comedy gold.

Did you really, honestly expect Tarks, Ben Mee, Pope, Collins, Weghorst and Cornet to both accept a season at a MUCH lower level and a paycut?

Asset stripping? Have a word with yourself.

[RVclaret]

Absolute comedy gold.

Did you really, honestly expect Tarks, Ben Mee, Pope, Collins, Weghorst and Cornet to both accept a season at a MUCH lower level and a paycut?

Asset stripping? Have a word with yourself.

Careful - dande is the most realistic person around according to the realistic brigade

[Kevwando]

People send you texts of things on Twitter so you can post them on UTC?

[dandeclaret]

Absolute comedy gold.

Did you really, honestly expect Tarks, Ben Mee, Pope, Collins, Weghorst and Cornet to both accept a season at a MUCH lower level and a paycut?

Asset stripping? Have a word with yourself.

It's not a much lower level, it's one division down. There are plenty of examples of clubs fighting to keep some of their players at this level, and reaping the rewards of it. There are some players you can't keep - Cornet, Tarkowski, lesser extent the Dutch Lad being prime examples. I was worried by the Pope transfer fee, that doesn't reflect his value to us in my opinion. I was worried by the breakdown in conversations with Ben Mee, and the seemingly growing view that the contract offer was removed (granted, that is speculation and could equally be wrong).

Once these playing assets are gone, converted to cash to do whatever they are going to do with it, either through sales, or through creation of a gap between the wage bill and parachute payment income, and not adequately replaced, the club is back to basically square one with better training facilities - towards the time when Cotterill was coming in with 8 players and needing a magic season under Coyle int he future to reinvigorate the club.

I remain confused by the decisions made by the club now. They bought a club, which had an approach that had it performing above the sum of it's parts, and seem week on week to be saying, none of that works for us, so we're going to change it all - lock stock. There's no tweaking here, it's wholesale change, and I am trying to unpick the logic behind it.

[dandeclaret]

Careful - dande is the most realistic person around according to the realistic brigade

Your sniping is getting a bit tiresome now. Difference of opinions, difference of views, exchange of thoughts all grand. Snide sniping get's a bit dull.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It's not a much lower level, it's one division down. There are plenty of examples of clubs fighting to keep some of their players at this level, and reaping the rewards of it. There are some players you can't keep - Cornet, Tarkowski, lesser extent the Dutch Lad being prime examples. I was worried by the Pope transfer fee, that doesn't reflect his value to us in my opinion. I was worried by the breakdown in conversations with Ben Mee, and the seemingly growing view that the contract offer was removed (granted, that is speculation and could equally be wrong).

Once these playing assets are gone, converted to cash to do whatever they are going to do with it, either through sales, or through creation of a gap between the wage bill and parachute payment income, and not adequately replaced, the club is back to basically square one with better training facilities - towards the time when Cotterill was coming in with 8 players and needing a magic season under Coyle int he future to reinvigorate the club.

I remain confused by the decisions made by the club now. They bought a club, which had an approach that had it performing above the sum of it's parts, and seem week on week to be saying, none of that works for us, so we're going to change it all - lock stock. There's no tweaking here, it's wholesale change, and I am trying to unpick the logic behind it.

Well written and well thought out post

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It needed a wholesale change, the club had gone stale, the fans disillusioned by the football etc.


We've had years of fans on social media bitching about the style of play, wanting the average age of the squad lowering etc and yes we've had regular demands on here from a select few for Dyche to go.

This is the best chance the club has to make those wholesale changes, reinvigorate the squad, new manager, fresh perspective and ideas etc.

It had to happen at some point, might as well be now.

[arise_sir_charge]

Seem someone reference “bargain basement” buys above.

I might be wrong and I stand to be corrected but as things stand aren’t wr the biggest spending Championship club so far this summer?

Also of Collins and Cornet go I’d expect you can at the very least double what we’ve spent to date.

Another point I think is way off is the reference to all the net younger players having release clauses. I doubt that as we are the bigger fish in most of those deals and hold a few more of the cards. They are a lot different to the Cornet deal.

I can see there being modest sell on clauses (maybe more for Egan Riley as City hold a few more cards in that one) but I doubt they’ll have release clauses,

[RVclaret]

Nixon just responded to someone asking if Collins has a release clause

‘No’

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Anyone who thinks it’s a shock that our better players leaving is asset stripping etc needs to give their head a wobble, the likes of Manure & Liverpool have lost players in the last weeks who wanted to leave & they have. Very few clubs who can keep hold of players when they want to leave or acceptable bids come in for them, it’s about wages etc, look at Bayern Munich & their main striker…

[RVclaret]

Your sniping is getting a bit tiresome now. Difference of opinions, difference of views, exchange of thoughts all grand. Snide sniping get's a bit dull.

You’re constant whining and negativity on every topic possible is also very tiresome. ‘Asset stripping’ - pathetic.

[dandeclaret]

It needed a wholesale change, the club had gone stale, the fans disillusioned by the football etc.


We've had years of fans on social media bitching about the style of play, wanting the average age of the squad lowering etc and yes we've had regular demands on here from a select few for Dyche to go.

This is the best chance the club has to make those wholesale changes, reinvigorate the squad, new manager, fresh perspective and ideas etc.

It had to happen at some point, might as well be now.

Attendances continued to be higher than any other prolonged period in the last 40 years. The club was playing in the premier league. It's hardly like they'd been struggling in the bottom half of the championship - in my view that's absolutely the time to be taking gambles on young players who might, just outstrip their expected potential, and give you a shot at the big league. When you've got a club that's been doing that for 7 years, and still has a solid nucleus, and is performing still above the level of it's natural resources, I remain surprised that that is the time taken to decide on wholesale changes. Others will have a differing view, and that's fine, but I haven't seen much that's changed my view in this space.

[dandeclaret]

You’re constant whining and negativity on every topic possible is also very tiresome. ‘Asset stripping’ - pathetic.

That's fine - that's what the mute functionality is for, so I'll add you now, and you can do the same - you won't see me, I won't see you, and others won't have to see the rest of it.

[Spijed]

Nixon just responded to someone asking if Collins has a release clause

‘No’

So someone is telling porkies.

[RVclaret]

So someone is telling porkies.

Possibly. Nixon has been very accurate with us so far this summer and was the first to break the Wolves interest too.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Possibly. Nixon has been very accurate with us so far this summer and was the first to break the Wolves interest too.

To be fair RV he’s been ok. But he’s also had some howlers.

Like the goal keeper yesterday and saying pope for 40m.

[TsarBomba]

Dan- who do you to think we should be targeting, player wise?

I understand the concerns about an inexperienced back line, and perhaps the need for a few established Championship players to be brought in. O’Hare is hopefully evidence that we are trying to do this.

Also, Huddersfield, who you would fancy as one of the stronger teams in the division, have just signed a player today from a League 2 club.

[randomclaret2]

Possibly. Nixon has been very accurate with us so far this summer and was the first to break the Wolves interest too.

He certainly does appear to be getting info from the club one way or another

[Claret Alfie]

I’d imagine if Collins did have a £20 mill release clause, there’d be more than just Wolves in for him.

[claretspice]

I tend to share some of Dande's concerns. I'm not necesssarily against Collins going and for his age and what he's achieved, £20m + doesn't seem a terrible deal for me.

But I'm fascinated and unclear about the strategy right now. I see lots of people talking about the experienced spine of the team - but whilst Collins wasn't really part of that, I see 3 experienced centre backs and a goalkeeper leave to be replaced by very limited experience, and it would appear from the signings of Bastien and - assuming it happens - Cullen, that the think tank in midfield of Cork, Westwood and Brownhill (all of whom appeared to be a very good base to work from at this level, even if they might have been wanting a touch in the Premier League) is also not going to be an essential part of the squad this season. That means the likely starting XI even assuming no other departures looks surprisingly short on the sort of experience and know-how that has defined our sides for 15 years.

And, whilst it's early days, the spread of signings does look a bit funny. We've signed lots of centre backs and lots of central midfielders. We needed something in both those areas, but as of yet we've not addressed obvious weaknesses in the squad in wide areas or up front and we also look light at left back -and given the nature of signings so far, I reckon the team that lines up at Huddersfield in a fortnight is the most difficult to predict of any Burnley line up I can remember.

It could be that Kompany has a plan for Cork to drop into the back 4 to add experience - it's a role I think he could play alongside a more powerful centre back, and that would make sense of the decision to offer him a 2 year contract and then sign Cullen to play the same position. But if not, then without yet another centre back signing, we're testing the theory about what you can achieve with kids to the limit as it stands. A bit of experience, and proven performance in this division, really wouldn't go amiss.

[RVclaret]

To be fair RV he’s been ok. But he’s also had some howlers.

Like the goal keeper yesterday and saying pope for 40m.

4/5 signings reported by him. 40m was a suggestion of what we wanted. Maybe we did until we realised only Newcastle were serious bidders.