Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Bigvince]

It may suit us to have a lower fee as Stoke get 20%, as long as the add-ons are achievable.

If and when any add-on is achieved, Stoke would get a slice of that aswell

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Still, good news about Josh Cullen.

[lrac]

Charlie Taylor to Leeds.?

[ClaretTony]

Still, good news about Josh Cullen.

Done last week wasn’t it? Just awaiting formalities.

[RVclaret]

Done last week wasn’t it? Just awaiting formalities.

Reports today suggested medical completed yesterday

[RVclaret]

Charlie Taylor to Leeds.?

Think this was a made up rumour from a weird Leeds account

[joey13]

I think the top figure is only if a series of targets are hit

Champions League then

[ClaretTony]

Reports today suggested medical completed yesterday

I suspect we are waiting for nothing more than media getting the interviews and pics done

[RVclaret]

I suspect we are waiting for nothing more than media getting the interviews and pics done

In the new kit would be nice

[ClaretTony]

In the new kit would be nice

I suppose I could say the new kit being revealed is getting closer but that's obvious given we are going to have to start playing in it some time soon.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I suspect we are waiting for nothing more than media getting the interviews and pics done

Don't forget the twitter video reveal, because they set the bar high with the Bastion one...

[ClaretTony]

Don't forget the twitter video reveal, because they set the bar high with the Bastion one...

Really?

[RVclaret]

Really?

Wasn’t it like 3m+ views? Reached the entire football twitter audience. Definitely a success.

[ClaretTony]

Wasn’t it like 3m+ views? Reached the entire football twitter audience. Definitely a success.

Maybe

[Bullabill]

I don't think any player has requested to leave, but the players were told that if offers came in for them they would be considered and most likely accepted. I even think we have made it known that no player is 'not for sale' and invited offers from other clubs for any player.

Are you saying that the player has no say in the sale? That he can be just flogged off to whichever club offers a good price?
Doesn't seem right to me.

[jedi_master]

I suppose I could say the new kit being revealed is getting closer but that's obvious given we are going to have to start playing in it some time soon.

I had wondered what was going to happen with the game on Friday, and whether we'd be in the new kit or not.

[whiffa]

I had wondered what was going to happen with the game on Friday, and whether we'd be in the new kit or not.

Wouldn't surprise me if they're still trying to decide what colour our Home kit should be

[dsr]

Are you saying that the player has no say in the sale? That he can be just flogged off to whichever club offers a good price?
Doesn't seem right to me.

No. The club can accept any offer they want, be it £50m or 50p. It's up to the player whether he wants to go or not. Once a player has signed a contract, his club cannot easily get rid of him (except by paying up the contract in full). If, like Drinkwater at Chelsea, he chooses to sit out his contract, then he can., however much the club would like to sell him, or give him away, or pay him to go.

[ClaretTony]

I had wondered what was going to happen with the game on Friday, and whether we'd be in the new kit or not.

I suspect we will play in last season’s kit as it stands.

I think it was 2016 at Morecambe when we played a friendly in the new away kit that hadn’t previously been revealed.

[Rileybobs]

Are you saying that the player has no say in the sale? That he can be just flogged off to whichever club offers a good price?
Doesn't seem right to me.

Pretty much. They could of course refuse to sign but they would risk becoming ostracised from the rest of the squad.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Really?

Yes really, million of views, thousands of retweets and also used to bash Barca's video reveal which was toss by comparison.
People around the world were watching/sharing our video, I spent a bit of time scrolling through the quoted retweets to see who the people were.

They'll also be keeping an eye out for the next one, precisely because it was so good.

[Rileybobs]

I suspect we will play in last season’s kit as it stands.

I think it was 2016 at Morecambe when we played a friendly in the new away kit that hadn’t previously been revealed.

Not that I’m particularly arsed, but what is the hold up with the kit? Is it the shirt sponsorship deal which isn’t in place?

[ClaretTony]

Not that I’m particularly arsed, but what is the hold up with the kit? Is it the shirt sponsorship deal which isn’t in place?

Believe so. Think that might be sorted now though.

[Colburn_Claret]

I think some people are over-valuing Collins. He’s got potential, but what has he done to suggest he’s worth more than £20-£25m - considering he was signed for £12m less than 20 appearances ago.

And comparisons with other players just don’t really make sense. For example, maybe Ben White is just a better player than Collins, and his transfer fee is reflective of that.

I'm not sure what you were watching last season Bob, but it couldn't have been Collins.
Strength, pace, composure. He played like a veteran, and for somebody only 21 was Outstanding. Imo he will definitely play for a top 6 club, will be worth 60 million of anyones money, but I also understand there is no way we could have achieved that figure right now.
If he wants Premier league football, and it's understandable, then the price was bound to be lower. I'm disappointed for us, pleased for him and as others have said if we use the money to strengthen, then it is probably the best result all round. Only time will give us the answer to that.

[Rileybobs]

I'm not sure what you were watching last season Bob, but it couldn't have been Collins.
Strength, pace, composure. He played like a veteran, and for somebody only 21 was Outstanding. Imo he will definitely play for a top 6 club, will be worth 60 million of anyones money, but I also understand there is no way we could have achieved that figure right now.
If he wants Premier league football, and it's understandable, then the price was bound to be lower. I'm disappointed for us, pleased for him and as others have said if we use the money to strengthen, then it is probably the best result all round. Only time will give us the answer to that.

I really wouldn’t say he was outstanding. He was good, I’m not denying that. Was he better than Tarkowski? Because Tarkowski has just signed for the side who finished 16th, and he didn’t command a transfer fee. I just think there’s a whole load of hyperbole on here, more so than ever.

[Jamesy]

As it looks like Collins will be signing for Wolves for 20.5 million as reported in the press what do you all think of the transfer fee?
Yes it’s an 8 million profit in a reasonably short period of time if Stoke didn’t put any sell on clauses in the deal.
Personally I think we have our pants pulled down here. I would have thought he is worth far more in today’s market, more like closer to 30 million?
So currently our CB pairing is big Kev and the loanee from City? Hope Kompany has got someone lined up in the interim?

[ClaretTony]

We’ve already brought in three central defenders do Collins’s replacement is already here.

[SalisburyClaret]

Yes really, million of views, thousands of retweets and also used to bash Barca's video reveal which was toss by comparison.
People around the world were watching/sharing our video, I spent a bit of time scrolling through the quoted retweets to see who the people were.

They'll also be keeping an eye out for the next one, precisely because it was so good.

Whilst it was certainly successful, you can’t read too much into those figures - autoplay will account for the majority of ‘views’. You can also buy views and Ad Groups heavily influence the number. Retweets is a better metric as it usually means the tweet has actually been viewed.

[RVclaret]

We’ve already brought in three central defenders do Collins’s replacement is already here.

Lots of Irish fans were saying McNally is the perfect Collins replacement, they reckon he’ll be in the Prem and their first team before too long.

[ClaretTony]

Lots of Irish fans were saying McNally is the perfect Collins replacement, they reckon he’ll be in the Prem and their first team before too long.

I can’t make a comment either way on him. I’ve never seen him play.

[Jambo]

We will need another centre-back if VK has any plan to use a back three at some point. That means you need five so unless we're counting Long and Thomas or even Lowton who did OK there last season, we are short. I'd also be a bit concerned about the lack of experience in our CBs, coupled with talk of Muric coming in goal. Yes we have the two lads up front plus Cork, but a mix of experience tends to be key and too much youth, especially at the back, is very risky imo

[Colburn_Claret]

I really wouldn’t say he was outstanding. He was good, I’m not denying that. Was he better than Tarkowski? Because Tarkowski has just signed for the side who finished 16th, and he didn’t command a transfer fee. I just think there’s a whole load of hyperbole on here, more so than ever.

I think he's a better footballer than Tarkowski or Mee. He's an excellent defender, but not quite as good as them, yet. He scores goals, carries the ball well, and can play a pass. The most important thing is his age 21, 19 Prem games, starring for RI over the last 6 months. He's miles ahead of where Tarks and Mee were at that age. I'm stunned that Wolves didn't have competition, although there is a limit for someone with his experience, the figure quoted, if true, is having our pants down.

[CardyTheClaret]

Have you forgotten his performances away at Man City and Spurs?

I haven't, but equally I remember him at Brentford away and his ridiculous handball against Newcastle.

[SalisburyClaret]

As it looks like Collins will be signing for Wolves for 20.5 million as reported in the press what do you all think of the transfer fee?
Yes it’s an 8 million profit in a reasonably short period of time if Stoke didn’t put any sell on clauses in the deal.
Personally I think we have our pants pulled down here. I would have thought he is worth far more in today’s market, more like closer to 30 million?
So currently our CB pairing is big Kev and the loanee from City? Hope Kompany has got someone lined up in the interim?

It’s a pretty decent fee. He looked very good if a little error prone and let’s not forget he was alongside Tarka who could talk him through games. He certainly has pace and ability and should go far but we can’t turn down £8m profit after a year.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Whilst it was certainly successful, you can’t read too much into those figures - autoplay will account for the majority of ‘views’. You can also buy views and Ad Groups heavily influence the number. Retweets is a better metric as it usually means the tweet has actually been viewed.

For it to auto-play, then it has to appear in someone's feed.
For that to happen it needs to be retweeted by someone that person follows.

So a large number of the retweets were by accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers, resulting in the views increasing as it reached their followers etc.

The video was successful because it reached people who wouldn't normally be looking at Burnley FC's twitter account and the only reason they did that time is because of the quality of the video.
That's going to be one of the main targets of the social media team, increase the reach of Burnley FC with these sorts of things.

That's what the likes of Roma do

[dsr]

I really wouldn’t say he was outstanding. He was good, I’m not denying that. Was he better than Tarkowski? Because Tarkowski has just signed for the side who finished 16th, and he didn’t command a transfer fee. I just think there’s a whole load of hyperbole on here, more so than ever.

Tarkowski didn't command a transfer fee because he was out of contract, not because he wasn't good enough. So that's a red herring. But to answer the question, no he wasn't better than our 29 year old England international with 194 PL appearances. Few inexperienced 20 year olds are. But he was good enough that there were conversations on here about whether Collins should keep his place if Mee and Tarkowski are both fit, and just to be in the conversation with Mee and Tarkowski means he was pretty darned good.

[ClaretTony]

I think he's a better footballer than Tarkowski or Mee. He's an excellent defender, but not quite as good as them, yet. He scores goals, carries the ball well, and can play a pass. The most important thing is his age 21, 19 Prem games, starring for RI over the last 6 months. He's miles ahead of where Tarks and Mee were at that age. I'm stunned that Wolves didn't have competition, although there is a limit for someone with his experience, the figure quoted, if true, is having our pants down.

At this moment in time, Collins is nowhere near as good as either Tarkowski or Mee, not that I’d expect him to be.

He did extremely well when he came in last season but let’s not kid ourselves, there were a number of mistakes and a couple of poor all round performances. I think he could have gone on to be an outstanding player for us, that we will no never know, but from what I can see we’ve been looking to sell with not enough interest to get the fee up.

[warksclaret]

If Collins goes for £20.5 as is being muted, then you need more serious clubs than just Wolves to force the price up. The fact no one else appears to be keen on signing him, despite what we have read in the press for the past 6 weeks, then it makes that figure look like the upper ceiling in todays market. Having said that its making Chris Wood at £25m look very good business.

[boyyanno]

I really wouldn’t say he was outstanding. He was good, I’m not denying that. Was he better than Tarkowski? Because Tarkowski has just signed for the side who finished 16th, and he didn’t command a transfer fee. I just think there’s a whole load of hyperbole on here, more so than ever.

It's important to look at the overall picture in football where players such as Mane go for 30m and players like Darwin Nunez cost 65m. Generally speaking players with high potential are valued over and above players who are established- don't ask me why because it makes little sense but that's generally how the market is.

[Rileybobs]

Tarkowski didn't command a transfer fee because he was out of contract, not because he wasn't good enough. So that's a red herring. But to answer the question, no he wasn't better than our 29 year old England international with 194 PL appearances. Few inexperienced 20 year olds are. But he was good enough that there were conversations on here about whether Collins should keep his place if Mee and Tarkowski are both fit, and just to be in the conversation with Mee and Tarkowski means he was pretty darned good.

My mentioning of Tarks being free is not a red herring, it is to illustrate that any club in the league could have acquired him on a free transfer. Yet the best deal on the table was from a club that only just survived relegation. Tarkowski is a better player than Collins. So again, talks of Collins definitely being a top 6 player worth £60m+ in future is pure hyperbole. This place has gone mad with wild and unsubstantiated claims.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

We’ve already brought in three central defenders do Collins’s replacement is already here.

Been saying this all day Tony. I think the back defensive signings are all done now.

Lowton, Roberts, Egan-Riley, Harwood-Bellis, Kevin Long, Luke McNally, Charlie Taylor, Owen Dodgson

We've got two players for each position.

Now, let's go and get O'Hare and work on that strike force.

[Rileybobs]

It's important to look at the overall picture in football where players such as Mane go for 30m and players like Darwin Nunez cost 65m. Generally speaking players with high potential are valued over and above players who are established- don't ask me why because it makes little sense but that's generally how the market is.

Yeah I get that. Which only goes to reinforce my point that Collins hasn’t shown that he is an outstanding PL player otherwise he would have been sold for a fee far in excess of £20m.

[Ilkley claret]

We are waving the white flag, if we aren’t in a position to keep our youngest talent and must be desperate to sell for only £20m.

Ben White is the closest comparison I can think of and he went for £50m

Pathetic from the club and owners all round.

[eastcoastclaret]

We are waving the white flag, if we aren’t in a position to keep our youngest talent and must be desperate to sell for only £20m.

Ben White is the closest comparison I can think of and he went for £50m

Pathetic from the club and owners all round.

How do you know it's £20m?

[RVclaret]

We are waving the white flag, if we aren’t in a position to keep our youngest talent and must be desperate to sell for only £20m.

Ben White is the closest comparison I can think of and he went for £50m

Pathetic from the club and owners all round.

Ben White had a full season as a first choice centre half for Brighton in the PL and wasn’t part of a relegated team.

You’d be better using Marc Guehi as an example, similar age, similar experience and just as highly rated - he went for a few under 20m with add ons rising to 20m.

[CoolClaret]

My mentioning of Tarks being free is not a red herring, it is to illustrate that any club in the league could have acquired him on a free transfer. Yet the best deal on the table was from a club that only just survived relegation. Tarkowski is a better player than Collins. So again, talks of Collins definitely being a top 6 player worth £60m+ in future is pure hyperbole. This place has gone mad with wild and unsubstantiated claims.

Agreed -

It probably started 2-3 seasons back with folk claiming McNeil could be going for 50 million… The inflated Wood fee hasn’t helped but people have become seriously deluded with transfer fees

[fidelcastro]

It's also worth mentioning that with transfer fees being officially 'undisclosed', there's bound to be stuff we don't here about and the reported fees are, in many cases, speculation and guess work.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ben White had a full season as a first choice centre half for Brighton in the PL and wasn’t part of a relegated team.

You’d be better using Marc Guehi as an example, similar age, similar experience and just as highly rated - he went for a few under 20m with add ons rising to 20m.

Slightly similar. Tbf Guehi was only playing championship football. Collins had half a prem season under his belt. I think that automatically makes him worth more. Plus Collins is a full international now. Guehi was only u21 player at the time.

[ClaretTony]

It's also worth mentioning that with transfer fees being officially 'undisclosed', there's bound to be stuff we don't here about and the reported fees are, in many cases, speculation and guess work.

Hardly guesswork - usually very, very accurate.

[dsr]

Ben White had a full season as a first choice centre half for Brighton in the PL and wasn’t part of a relegated team.

You’d be better using Marc Guehi as an example, similar age, similar experience and just as highly rated - he went for a few under 20m with add ons rising to 20m.

Experience-wise, the difference between half a season in the PL and no PL experience at all is quite large. In half a season, a player can prove pretty much beyond doubt (as Collins has just done) that he is good enough to play PL football.