Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[KRBFC]

The major factor in our relegation was a lack of goals. In the bottom 3 lowest scoring teams for successive seasons and it was those teams that went down. The previous season we dodged a bullet only 2 of the lowest scoring sides went down. 2 home games against relegation rivals Norwich and Watford where we kept clean sheets but fired blanks.

Last season in the Championship it was the 3 highest scoring sides that won promotion to the PL.

and we have lost our statistically 2 best strikers (on output) in Wout and Vydra. It's also very likely our highest goalscorer will leave in the near future too.

[Granny WeatherWax]

and we have lost our statistically 2 best strikers (on output) in Wout and Vydra. It's also very likely our highest goalscorer will leave in the near future too.

We're also now in an easier league, we are looking to bring new talent in, and there is 6 weeks until the close of the window.

[KRBFC]

We're also now in an easier league, we are looking to bring new talent in, and there is 6 weeks until the close of the window.

Yup plenty of time to address, just key we get it right.

[Spijed]

The major factor in our relegation was a lack of goals. In the bottom 3 lowest scoring teams for successive seasons and it was those teams that went down. The previous season we dodged a bullet only 2 of the lowest scoring sides went down. 2 home games against relegation rivals Norwich and Watford where we kept clean sheets but fired blanks.

Last season in the Championship it was the 3 highest scoring sides that won promotion to the PL.

It always seems to get ignored that in the season we finished 7th we were hardly prolific in scoring goals. Arguably one of the lowest ever scoring teams to qualify for Europe.

[Jambo]

All very well saying when the transfer window closes, but there are 21 points to play for before that happens. Forest showed you can recover from a bad start, but with such wholesale changes we want to avoid that. Things are out of our control with Cornet and maybe some other potential outgoings, but we don't want to be scrambling around on deadline day with a fair chunk of the season already played.

[warksclaret]

The reason we did well that season was that the defence were outstanding with numerous clean sheets. At times that season only a handful of teams let in less goals.

[Granny WeatherWax]

All very well saying when the transfer window closes, but there are 21 points to play for before that happens. Forest showed you can recover from a bad start, but with such wholesale changes we want to avoid that. Things are out of our control with Cornet and maybe some other potential outgoings, but we don't want to be scrambling around on deadline day with a fair chunk of the season already played.

Depends on your expectations I guess, mine arent that we get promoted this season.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

But Kevin Long has a lot more experience at this level than Virgil Van Dijk. I suppose it might make a difference if you consider PL experience is any use at this level?

It might make a difference if he'd been a mainstay of our defence for a number of years, or even for an entire season, but he wasn't and never will be, 47 PL appearances in 6 PL seasons...
He's content being a bench warmer, he isn't going to be our saviour etc.

[kentonclaret]

and we have lost our statistically 2 best strikers (on output) in Wout and Vydra. It's also very likely our highest goalscorer will leave in the near future too.

All of the discussion surrounding Bournemouth, and trying to compare our situation to theirs last campaign, overlooks one major factor in that they retained the services of Dominic Solanke who ended up the second highest scorer with 29 goals.

[daveisaclaret]

It always seems to get ignored that in the season we finished 7th we were hardly prolific in scoring goals. Arguably one of the lowest ever scoring teams to qualify for Europe.

We didn't win that season between the 13th of December and the 2nd of March.

I'm not denigrating the achievement at all because we deserved to come 7th but it isn't in any way a model for a successful Championship season.

[kentonclaret]

It always seems to get ignored that in the season we finished 7th we were hardly prolific in scoring goals. Arguably one of the lowest ever scoring teams to qualify for Europe.

Exactly the points you make just confirm what a completely freakish season that turned out to be.

But all of the defensive players that achieved that feat have left the building. I am not expecting us to grind out many hard fought 1-0 wins, especially during the early part of the season.

[KRBFC]

Depends on your expectations I guess, mine arent that we get promoted this season.

Things have gone seriously wrong if we aren't expecting promotion, we were far better than Norwich and Watford last season. The parachute payments should be a huge advantage over the rest. If we aren't expecting promotion and buying for that reason, we may aswell pack it in.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Things have gone seriously wrong if we aren't expecting promotion, we were far better than Norwich and Watford last season. The parachute payments should be a huge advantage over the rest. If we aren't expecting promotion and buying for that reason, we may aswell pack it in.

Promotion has to be the target. It gets harder every season you stay down.

[KRBFC]

Promotion has to be the target. It gets harder every season you stay down.

Operation lower expectation has been a success it seems. If we don't get promoted, the seasons been a failure.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not a rumour but if anyone needs cheering up today, go and watch the recent video released by the club. Made that young lads day

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... J3m2w&s=19

[warksclaret]

The fact we are looking at Maatsen the Chelsea full back, to me shows how far we have moved in less than 3 months on our player quality and thinking. Taylor was good enough for SD, and several times I heard him suggesting Southgate should be looking at him. Taylor is strong, great on recovery, and a great tackler and blocker. However he, like many Burnley players had a poor season . He is not the finished article and far from the modern full back-poor going forward, very one footed and can only ever go on the outside. He has not scored since being with us, and because of his indifferent deliveries his assists per season have been low, maybe just two last year.Despite poor performances he was always first choice last year.THe same applied to Westwood, Barnes, Wood and at times McNeil, who could all play bad for a number of games but still start next game

[Pickles]

Made me smile when you'd see a "guess the line-up" thread on here, or discussions about who's going to play where. What was the point? Was usually the most obvious thing imaginable for the best part of a decade! Certainly seeming like those threads will be a little more interesting come the end of the month.

[RVclaret]

I know it’s Alex Crook and he’s not considered reliable but he said Delap is allowed to leave City on loan, and while Southampton have been interested, they may prefer a striker on a permanent.

This would possibly be good news for us if true?

[Granny WeatherWax]

Operation lower expectation has been a success it seems. If we don't get promoted, the seasons been a failure.

Disagree, with the amount or player turnover this season is a bedding in one for me.

[KRBFC]

The fact we are looking at Maatsen the Chelsea full back, to me shows how far we have moved in less than 3 months on our player quality and thinking. Taylor was good enough for SD, and several times I heard him suggesting Southgate should be looking at him. Taylor is strong, great on recovery, and a great tackler and blocker. However he, like many Burnley players had a poor season . He is not the finished article and far from the modern full back-poor going forward, very one footed and can only ever go on the outside. He has not scored since being with us, and because of his indifferent deliveries his assists per season have been low, maybe just two last year.Despite poor performances he was always first choice last year.THe same applied to Westwood, Barnes, Wood and at times McNeil, who could all play bad for a number of games but still start next game

That Maatsen looks a proper player, I don't think Taylor has progressed at all like I expected him too, absolutely rotten last year. He makes good marauding runs but his end product is usually really poor and he can't drive inside so he's kinda predictable to defend against. Defensively last year he was pants too, just a really really poor season from him, I'd argue I thought Pieters should've been first choice on form.

[claptrappers_union]

That Maatsen looks a proper player, I don't think Taylor has progressed at all like I expected him too, absolutely rotten last year. He makes good marauding runs but his end product is usually really poor and he can't drive inside so he's kinda predictable to defend against. Defensively last year he was pants too, just a really really poor season from him, I'd argue I thought Pieters should've been first choice on form.

I think I agree with this, I wouldn't say his end product was 'really poor', but I presumed he was going to be a bringing more assists to his game, given the way we played.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I think I agree with this, I wouldn't say his end product was 'really poor', but I presumed he was going to be a bringing more assists to his game, given the way we played.

His end product is something he needs to improve on. For the number of times he gets into good positions little often comes from it as his crossing is so inconsistent.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

I know it’s Alex Crook and he’s not considered reliable but he said Delap is allowed to leave City on loan, and while Southampton have been interested, they may prefer a striker on a permanent.

This would possibly be good news for us if true?

Fabrizio Romano

"Manchester City are prepared to let Liam Delap leave in the next weeks. Been told Burnley asked for Delap on loan until end of the season, while Southampton are also interested but for permanent move. #MCFC

Final decision to be made in the next days."

Broke yesterday that.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

All of the discussion surrounding Bournemouth, and trying to compare our situation to theirs last campaign, overlooks one major factor in that they retained the services of Dominic Solanke who ended up the second highest scorer with 29 goals.

You conveniently leave out that he was absolute pants in the Premier League, scoring 3 goals in 42 games, and he only scored 15 in the Championship the season before last.

They retained him because nobody wanted him, and hot lucky that he came good last season.

[RVclaret]

Fabrizio Romano

"Manchester City are prepared to let Liam Delap leave in the next weeks. Been told Burnley asked for Delap on loan until end of the season, while Southampton are also interested but for permanent move. #MCFC

Final decision to be made in the next days."

Broke yesterday that.

Aware of that. Alex added that City just want to loan him, which is new information, hence I added it here.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Disagree, with the amount or player turnover this season is a bedding in one for me.

Agree with this. Took Bournemouth two seasons, finished 6th in 20/21 and 2nd in 21/22.

They lost a ridiculous 31 players over the course of 20/21 including academy graduates.

[jackmiggins]

Looks like a goer!

[jackmiggins]

Delap on loan, I mean. Pretty sure City will prefer a loan to potentially increase his value after a successful loan spell.

[forzagranata]

Taylor is one of those players we could lose in late August. Only takes a serious injury to a LB with a mid to lower PL side and they would see Taylor as a decent option - certainly at the price that Burnley would be likely to let him leave for. So it wouldn't be a surprise if we are looking at a cheap alternative to Taylor.

[RVclaret]

Delap on loan, I mean. Pretty sure City will prefer a loan to potentially increase his value after a successful loan spell.

Let’s hope so - plus the Kompany pull…

[Ric_C]

Wolves after Brownhill

https://twitter.com/NETOFPL/status/1547 ... 9wIzEF_WWw

[Mala591]

That Maatsen looks a proper player, I don't think Taylor has progressed at all like I expected him too, absolutely rotten last year. He makes good marauding runs but his end product is usually really poor and he can't drive inside so he's kinda predictable to defend against. Defensively last year he was pants too, just a really really poor season from him, I'd argue I thought Pieters should've been first choice on form.

Welcome back Hibsclaret

[DCWat]

Wolves after Brownhill

https://twitter.com/NETOFPL/status/1547 ... 9wIzEF_WWw

I certainly think he’d do a decent job for us in the Championship. Saying that, I wouldn’t be against him leaving for a decent fee.

[claretandy]

Wolves after Brownhill

https://twitter.com/NETOFPL/status/1547 ... 9wIzEF_WWw

That's a no mark fpl account.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Wolves after Brownhill

https://twitter.com/NETOFPL/status/1547 ... 9wIzEF_WWw

Not sure it's a credible source. A Wolves page that didn't even post about the Collins deal.

[Ric_C]

ah ignore it then, just saw they had 24k followers

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The lack of development in Taylor has been mentioned on here. A player of great potential but someone who has not progressed to what was expected. I for one will be as keen to see what the new management team provide in terms of coaching and player development-I suspect we could see a marked improvement in terms of what was provided by Stone & Woan, though Billy Mercer might be a hard act to follow

What, exactly, was expected from him?
Was he expected to be a marauding left back/wing back?
Was he meant to be defensively solid?
Have people's views of him been spoiled after watching full backs like Reece James who had 9 assists last season to Taylor's 3?
Or Robertson who had 10 assists?
There aren't many defenders with more assists than Taylor last season.

He provided the most assists last season out of all of our defenders and was joint top at the club along with Brownhill, Westwood, WW and Vydra.
4th highest passer
Most touches of the ball
5th in minutes played
8th on the dispossessed
4th most chances created, behind McNeil, Brownhill and Westwood.

He often had his best games when the man in front of him was also playing well and last I checked there had been a dip in form of the men in front of him so he had to check his forward runs as a result.

Taylor is a solid performer for us, ratings averaged 6-7 like the rest of the defence and he chipped in with attacking play where he could.

Now the narrative is being switched to how he hasn't developed, isn't good enough etc ...seems a bit harsh when we look at the stats

[forzagranata]

Its amazing how established Burnley players are now instantly downgraded by some on here whenever the possibility of them leaving comes up. Taylor is rubbish, Brownill not good enough, Pope getting old, Ben Mee can't pass a ball etc etc. Then whenever a player that almost no-one has seen play signs for us - they are brilliant, tremendous potential and "exciting".

[Top Claret]

Wolves after Brownhill

https://twitter.com/NETOFPL/status/1547 ... 9wIzEF_WWw

If this is the case Brownhill will be really pushing for the move as he lives in Cheshire which isn't to far away and he will no doubt double his wage.

All our premier League players will want out if they have taken pay cuts McNeil included

[AGENT_CLARET]

They are the reason they've had to take pay cuts

[elwaclaret]

What, exactly, was expected from him?
Was he expected to be a marauding left back/wing back?
Was he meant to be defensively solid?
Have people's views of him been spoiled after watching full backs like Reece James who had 9 assists last season to Taylor's 3?
Or Robertson who had 10 assists?
There aren't many defenders with more assists than Taylor last season.

He provided the most assists last season out of all of our defenders and was joint top at the club along with Brownhill, Westwood, WW and Vydra.
4th highest passer
Most touches of the ball
5th in minutes played
8th on the dispossessed
4th most chances created, behind McNeil, Brownhill and Westwood.

He often had his best games when the man in front of him was also playing well and last I checked there had been a dip in form of the men in front of him so he had to check his forward runs as a result.

Taylor is a solid performer for us, ratings averaged 6-7 like the rest of the defence and he chipped in with attacking play where he could.

Now the narrative is being switched to how he hasn't developed, isn't good enough etc ...seems a bit harsh when we look at the stats

I like Taylor, but you defence of him here as all about his overlapping… I’d say he is a better wing back than full back. We were clearly targeted on the left because of our weak left. Whether that was because Taylor was too keen to bomb forward, or because no one was doing the covering job is a matter or opinion. He made some fantastic last ditch goal saving interceptions… but mainly because he was out of position earlier in the move and was still getting back.

As I say I like Taylor but as a former left back, the number of times I cringed at our lefts defending last season it is what my abiding memory of last season will be.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I like Taylor, but you defence of him here as all about his overlapping… I’d say he is a better wing back than full back. We were clearly targeted on the left because of our weak left. Whether that was because Taylor was too keen to bomb forward, or because no one was doing the covering job is a matter or opinion. He made some fantastic last ditch goal saving interceptions… but mainly because he was out of position earlier in the move and was still getting back.

As I say I like Taylor but as a former left back, the number of times I cringed at our lefts defending last season it is what my abiding memory of last season will be.

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Majority of shots on our goal came down the middle, there's not much difference between attempts from the flanks
Conversely we made more attempts on the oppositions goal from the left flank at 15% than we did from the right flank at 13% but still well below the centre at 72%.

Taylor made 7 more tackles than Lowton last season, commited 4 more fouls and received less cards.

Tarks, followed by Collins, made the most fouls out of our defenders, then Taylor, Pieters and Lowton.

He made the 2nd most tackles, after Tarks, followed by Lowton, Collins and Pieters.

Taylor is being unfairly targeted in my opinion when he's done no worse than the rest of our defenders lasts season and the stats support that view.

[elwaclaret]

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Majority of shots on our goal came down the middle, there's not much difference between attempts from the flanks
Conversely we made more attempts on the oppositions goal from the left flank at 15% than we did from the right flank at 13% but still well below the centre at 72%.

Taylor made 7 more tackles than Lowton last season, commited 4 more fouls and received less cards.

Tarks, followed by Collins, made the most fouls out of our defenders, then Taylor, Pieters and Lowton.

He made the 2nd most tackles, after Tarks, followed by Lowton, Collins and Pieters.

Taylor is being unfairly targeted in my opinion when he's done no worse than the rest of our defenders lasts season and the stats support that view.

Interesting take. Does it allow for the central midfield trying to cover the left and so being dis-jointed and out of position? I was brought up understanding you can make statistics say whatever you want… “there are lies, damn lies; then there are statistics”. I prefer the evidence of my own eyes and experience.

[Oldparkwood]

FFS can we not keep it on topic?

[Tinribs]

Don’t know why club are spending all that money on Backroom staff.We got the best tacticians,Scouts and accountants all on this thread.

[It Is What It Is]

There are a lot of good football tactician historical fans here who submit really interesting posts.
I am not one personally for all that, just put on the shirt, cross the line and play the game as you see it.
Whichever which way the mop flops, so to speak.
Play with 100% passion, commitment and guile for the team and 3 points. Nobody won anything with a pen and paper in their hand...a quick word with a colleague on the pitch is enough!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Interesting take. Does it allow for the central midfield trying to cover the left and so being dis-jointed and out of position? I was brought up understanding you can make statistics say whatever you want… “there are lies, damn lies; then there are statistics”. I prefer the evidence of my own eyes and experience.

Was the central midfield covering Taylor or the left winger, you left that part out?
A number of CM's at other clubs slot into the fullback position to provide cover when the said FB is helping the attack, that isn't a unique thing to Burnley.

The stats are the stats, I'm not twisting anything to slate a player who's been a good player for us during his time here, that's just something this forum likes to do from time to time.

[Stayingup]

I like Taylor, but you defence of him here as all about his overlapping… I’d say he is a better wing back than full back. We were clearly targeted on the left because of our weak left. Whether that was because Taylor was too keen to bomb forward, or because no one was doing the covering job is a matter or opinion. He made some fantastic last ditch goal saving interceptions… but mainly because he was out of position earlier in the move and was still getting back.

As I say I like Taylor but as a former left back, the number of times I cringed at our lefts defending last season it is what my abiding memory of last season will be.

I recall the Man City game at home, where Taylor was left exposed to both Sterling and Walker who passed around him and both goals came from his side in the first half. At half time Sean Dyche hooked McNeil. That was telling.

[elwaclaret]

Was the central midfield covering Taylor or the left winger, you left that part out?
A number of CM's at other clubs slot into the fullback position to provide cover when the said FB is helping the attack, that isn't a unique thing to Burnley.

The stats are the stats, I'm not twisting anything to slate a player who's been a good player for us during his time here, that's just something this forum likes to do from time to time.

Not accusing you are twisting anything… I’m not into the BBB arguments you get on here. Just saying what I saw and took from watching the shape last season. Undoubtably, Dwight’s lack of defensive concentration did not help when it came to him tracking back. Interesting for me one of McNiel’s most solid all round performances was Spurs at home… when Pieters was pecking McNiel throughout, making sure he got back… Pieters managed the left back position, whereas Charlie ‘played’ left back.

[Tricky Trevor]

The reason we did well that season was that the defence were outstanding with numerous clean sheets. At times that season only a handful of teams let in less goals.

The defence weren’t poor last season. The MF in front of them are down a level from what we had then and the strike force were on strike, a shambles.