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by Claret Toni » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:33 pm
Has the Jack Hendry from Club Brugges rumour been kicked out?
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by RVclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:35 pm
Metz were relegated which could explain it?
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by claretbob » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:39 pm
Surely O’Hare will only be signed if Cornet goes and since most of us want the latter to stay no news is surely good news? With Delap out in the States no new striker links hopefully means he signs on loan with us when he returns. The goalkeeper is a concern but BPF is perfectly competent at Championship level. Norris does worry me however.For me the window has tipped now to worrying more about players leaving than players coming in. Delap and a keeper with no outgoings would leave me very happy.
It’s over to VK then.
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by Nori1958 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:43 pm
cheshireclaret11 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:24 pm
Is this lad not the Chair of the Clarets Trust? Sure that comment is going to go down a storm with the club. If it's too expensive for a 19 yo, move on, find another. We'll be fine.
Probably says more about the Clarets Trust than our transfer dealings
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by ClaretTony » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:43 pm
claretbob wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:39 pm
For me the window has tipped now to worrying more about players leaving than players coming in. Delap and a keeper with no outgoings would leave me very happy.
It’s over to VK then.
I'll be astonished if there are no more outgoings
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by boatshed bill » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:46 pm
whiffa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:29 pm
Pope
Wout
Collins
Tarky
Mee
Stephens
Bardsley
Pieters
Lennon
Hennessey
Only 3 on that list who I'd have kept on.
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by boatshed bill » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:49 pm
nyclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:11 pm
It's looking likely that BPF will be starting vs Huddersfield. In an ideal world we'd be starting with VK's #1 keeper for the season.
Is it not just possible that BPF has impressed VK enough to get kept on?
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by whiffa » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:51 pm
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:46 pm
Only 3 on that list who I'd have kept on.
Yeah true, I was more referring to the original point of "how many in?" vs "how many out?", we don't need to start panicking yet.
We all want more numbers in and greater squad depth.
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by fatboy47 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:51 pm
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:46 pm
Only 3 on that list who I'd have kept on.
Pope, Hennessy, Tarks, Pieters, Lennon and Collins would all have been very valuable assets
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by Colburn_Claret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:57 pm
It seems odd that with the experience and nous we've bought from Belgium, we are being held to ransom for a 19 year old keeper, with little experience.
I haven't a clue what he's worth, or how good he is, I trust the club for that. I just hope we have a back up because Muric looks dead in the water as well.
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by TickTock » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:00 pm
Metz got relegated hence his value dropping still a good player like and Im sure he will be happy to come
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by louieollie » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:00 pm
Wonder if we'll go for the lad from Plymouth now .
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by TickTock » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:02 pm
louieollie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:00 pm
Wonder if we'll go for the lad from Plymouth now .
we won't.
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by Nori1958 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:17 pm
louieollie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:00 pm
Wonder if we'll go for the lad from Plymouth now .
There's only really Boden saying the deal is off. The Belgium press all very quiet apart from one saying Anderlecht want more money.... Perhaps Burnley are using the local press to push things along.
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by nyclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:21 pm
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:49 pm
Is it not just possible that BPF has impressed VK enough to get kept on?
Possibly, although bidding 5m for the Belgian lad suggests otherwise.
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by boatshed bill » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:35 pm
nyclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:21 pm
Possibly, although bidding 5m for the Belgian lad suggests otherwise.
I was hoping for Muric. I believe BPF would have sought a move if not first choice.
Verb, verb..oh never mind... the Belgian lad, may be more long term as he's so young.
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by morpheus2 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:41 pm
I presume some cheeky chap has edited Callum O'Hare's Wikipedia page as he is a Burnley player on there, or am I stupid?
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by Belgianclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:50 pm
Belgian press reporting deal for Verbruggen is far from completed and VK may look for an alternative. Hope we are not being held for randsom as 5M for an unproven GK is already very steep. considering we only got 10 M for a class act as Pope
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by clarethomer » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:55 pm
Pure speculation but I wonder if we are needing to sell/reduce wage bill before others come in now?
Have we broadly broken even in net spend so far this window but benefitted from a likely smaller wage bill?
If we have been expecting bids for Cornet to have gone by now for £17m and to use that, perhaps that explains it?
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by KRBFC » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:04 pm
clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:55 pm
Pure speculation but I wonder if we are needing to sell/reduce wage bill before others come in now?
Have we broadly broken even in net spend so far this window but benefitted from a likely smaller wage bill?
If we have been expecting bids for Cornet to have gone by now for £17m and to use that, perhaps that explains it?
Broken even? we haven't even started with the Collins money yet.
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by TickTock » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:04 pm
clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:55 pm
Pure speculation but I wonder if we are needing to sell/reduce wage bill before others come in now?
Have we broadly broken even in net spend so far this window but benefitted from a likely smaller wage bill?
If we have been expecting bids for Cornet to have gone by now for £17m and to use that, perhaps that explains it?
Not true at all we have 20 mil from collins we have yet to touch and the biggest earners are already gone so wage bill has been split open club are now working on targets for the right money we were working on the first batch for a month b4 Kompany was confirmed behind the scenes once we sorted the current lot we began with the next batch who will start drip feeding in now.
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by AGENT_CLARET » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:04 pm
clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:55 pm
Pure speculation but I wonder if we are needing to sell/reduce wage bill before others come in now?
Have we broadly broken even in net spend so far this window but benefitted from a likely smaller wage bill?
If we have been expecting bids for Cornet to have gone by now for £17m and to use that, perhaps that explains it?
Don't forget the 10+ million left over from the Chris Wood sale and the 3+ million in wages saved each month
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by Claret Alfie » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:05 pm
We could do with signing O’Hare and assume Cornet stays. We don’t want someone coming in for Cornet on deadline day and we can’t replace him. Same with McNeill too.
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by clarethomer » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:19 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:04 pm
Broken even? we haven't even started with the Collins money yet.
TickTock wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:04 pm
Not true at all we have 20 mil from collins we have yet to touch and the biggest earners are already gone so wage bill has been split open club are now working on targets for the right money we were working on the first batch for a month b4 Kompany was confirmed behind the scenes once we sorted the current lot we began with the next batch who will start drip feeding in now.
You're right re the collins money. It must have been after the Pope sale that I had seen a post that we had spent on incomings roughly what we got for him.
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by boatshed bill » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:20 pm
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:04 pm
Don't forget the 10+ million left over from the Chris Wood sale and the 3+ million in wages saved each month
That's assuming it's all paid up.
Also we owed money (apparently) to Stoke for Collins, so not much extra money there.
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by Raggus » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:20 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:43 pm
I'll be astonished if there are no more outgoings
And in your opinion, which player or players do you most likely see leaving?
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by ClaretTony » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:27 pm
Raggus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:20 pm
And in your opinion, which player or players do you most likely see leaving?
No idea but if offers come in that are acceptable for players then they will go.
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by NRC » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:29 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:39 pm
Delap has been linked. Ugbo too. Kompany doesn’t play with wingers hence no winger links.
I'd go a little bit further than this. Assuming we keep both McNeil and Cornet, I'd not be surprised if VK views them both as false 9s or inside 10s. If that's the case I'm not convinced we need a new 9
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by northeastclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:32 pm
If you believe the narrative City didn’t want to send out Muric again on loan but sell for £4m, which is what we are hoping to buy Verbruggen for.
On that basis, surprisingly we were assuming VK believes Verbruggen is better and has more potential.
Unfortunately it appears though our negotiations are not working out so far.
Going off BPF’s performance for us he completely bottled it, was dropped for Norris who was even worse , ending up with every shot on target going in at Sheffield United. Hence BPF replaced by Hennessy.
A problem in VKs assessment of BFK , he may well look good in training, but it’s the game time where he bottles it.
With so many exciting new signings it would be a real shame if either BPF or Norris start the season with the high risk of them letting the team down .
Hopefully we can continue with the success we have had to date in the market and fill this critical gap , the other outstanding signings are not critical at this stage unlike the keeper position.
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by boatshed bill » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:39 pm
northeastclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:32 pm
If you believe the narrative City didn’t want to send out Muric again on loan but sell for £4m, which is what we are hoping to buy Verbruggen for.
Going off BPF’s performance for us he completely bottled it, was dropped for Norris who was even worse , ending up with every shot on target going in at Sheffield United. Hence BPF replaced by Hennessy.
A problem in VKs assessment of BFK , he may well look good in training, but it’s the game time where he bottles it.
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Are you seriously doubting Vincent Kompany's, and his chosen goalkeeping coach's, ability to judge a goalkeeper's ability?
I'm not saying that either of our current GKs are guaranteed good enough BTW.
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by Matt_Whalley » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:50 pm
NRC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:29 pm
I'd go a little bit further than this. Assuming we keep both McNeil and Cornet, I'd not be surprised if VK views them both as false 9s or inside 10s. If that's the case I'm not convinced we need a new 9
Exactly. VK has expressed the desire for two players in every position. If we’re playing 4-2-2-2 then the furthest forward two could be filled by Barnes, JayRod, Twine, and Cornet. (Plus McNeil and Richardson potentially.)
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by northeastclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:58 pm
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:39 pm
Are you seriously doubting Vincent Kompany's, and his chosen goalkeeping coach's, ability to judge a goalkeeper's ability?
I'm not saying that either of our current GKs are guaranteed good enough BTW.
He obviously knows enough about them to be rumoured to be after keepers ever since he was appointed as manager.
I am sure he will be as disappointed as us if he has to start the season with our previous third and fourth choice keepers.
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by Zlatan » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:02 pm
That appears fairly final… but who knows
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by KRBFC » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:03 pm
cheapskates so predictable
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:03 pm
Zlatan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:02 pm
That appears fairly final… but who knows
Perhaps we have opted to keep cornet? Instead
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by nyclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:06 pm
So not a positive day then on the transfer front! Oh well, I'm sure we've got other targets lined up!
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by Milltown1882 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:06 pm
Orsic and O’Hare in back to back windows. We’re getting good at bottling this signing our main target thing.
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by Slurpy » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:09 pm
If we keep Cornet does it matter?
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by NewClaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:10 pm
Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:06 pm
Orsic and O’Hare in back to back windows. We’re getting good at bottling this signing our main target thing.
Main target? Very much doubt that in a season we’ve signed 7 players prior.
Personally wasn’t bothered on this one, mainly because I’ve seen very little of him and his stats aren’t great. If it happens, so be it, but the money being mentioned at £10m is ludicrous in our situation.
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by NewClaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:11 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:03 pm
Perhaps we have opted to keep cornet? Instead
Or perhaps Cornet has opted to stay?? Even better.
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by northeastclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:12 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:03 pm
cheapskates so predictable
Just because we sold Pope and Collins on the cheap doesn’t entitle us to buy on the cheap
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by clarethomer » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:12 pm
Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:06 pm
Orsic and O’Hare in back to back windows. We’re getting good at bottling this signing our main target thing.
Read a lot of things on here but this has to be up there ha ha ha.
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by RVclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:15 pm
I’d still be very surprised if Cornet stays, shocked in fact
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by claptrappers_union » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:17 pm
He has a point, there was the fella from Arsenal too who we missed out on, the guy who went to Sunderland.
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by RVclaret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:18 pm
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:17 pm
He has a point, there was the fella from Arsenal too who we missed out on, the guy who went to Sunderland.
Didn’t miss out, we agreed a fee, decided to get McNally instead.
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by KRBFC » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:18 pm
northeastclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:12 pm
Just because we sold Pope and Collins on the cheap doesn’t entitle us to buy on the cheap
Happily sell but wont spend, just typical. Oh well maybe we can get another 3 loan players in
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by Vegas Claret » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:18 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:03 pm
cheapskates so predictable
so are Coventry asking 9 million or 15 as you seem to have the inside track ? There's a big difference at this stage, maybe if Cornet goes we go back with more but then run the risk of the price going up even further. Not sure it's plausible to point fingers at the cub for being cheapskates with the info we have.
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by KRBFC » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:19 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:18 pm
so are Coventry asking 9 million or 15 as you seem to have the inside track ? There's a big difference at this stage, maybe if Cornet goes we go back with more but then run the risk of the price going up even further. Not sure it's plausible to point fingers at the cub for being cheapskates with the info we have.
they've brought in like 7 players for less than £10m, no way were they gonna reinvest £8-10m on O'Hare regardless of how many millions we bring in.