Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Newcastleclaret93]

Which figures has he got wrong?

Pope 40m
Collins 40m

Said we were after a player that signed for a new team the day before.

I like the guy he’s usually very good but he’s had some mares this summer

[CrosspoolClarets]

To briefly return to money, seeing as that appears to be the current issue according to Kompany, folk have to remember that the bulk of that £70m that is left after paying sell on fees goes to Garlick and the old owners, or to put it more accurately, to pay down the debt created to pay Garlick and the old owners for their shares.

We believe we only HAVE to pay off £15m on relegation if I recall (the separate thread and Companies House submissions) but the rest remains owed so the new owners have to be careful with funds. To put it mildly. We’ve already spent far more than I expected.

A better debate would be if we were daft to spend money on your Benson’s and McNally’s rather than a striker.

For what its worth, I feel we need one, but lets not forget Twine, this Georgian sounds similar.

[Newcastleclaret93]

RV is not going like this. boden just referred to our summer as fire sales

[Jimscho]

Some people are dying of starvation. What's the relevance?

I know people are bored of hearing it but £70m in sales and we're still broke. Truly disgraceful stuff.

Still banging that same old drum.Which I have pointed out before is ********.Not going to explain again as you dont seem able to take it in.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Still banging that same old drum.Which I have pointed out before is ********.Not going to explain again as you dont seem able to take it in.

Probably cos it’s rubbish what your saying?

[Dark Cloud]

I think we have to factor in that IF we get promoted a fair number of the current players may not be required in the PL and will be surplus to retirements. If we've paid big fees and they're on really high wages, there may be a problem moving them on to make space for the necessary upgrades in quality.

[CoolClaret]

I think we have to factor in that IF we get promoted a fair number of the current players may not be required in the PL and will be surplus to retirements. If we've paid big fees and they're on really high wages, there may be a problem moving them on to make space for the necessary upgrades in quality.

I thought this but I guess if they played a part in a successful season then other champ clubs would probably want them…

Still no idea about how to feel about the team - it could seriously go one of two ways

[123EasyasBFC]

Pope 40m
Collins 40m

Said we were after a player that signed for a new team the day before.

I like the guy he’s usually very good but he’s had some mares this summer

Nixon wasn’t the only one who was reporting we wanted 40mil for both pope and Collins and that’s 2 situations all summer so I would hardly call that ‘abysmal’ with sums all summer.
The other player that keeper who signed for someone else again isn’t a figure.
No reporter is ever spot on 100% of the time but it just the same as Alex james, he has seen the Belgium reporter say we bid 2.5mil euros but Metz wanted double so 5mil euros and then wrote it’s 4.2mil pounds it’s all speculation

[arise_sir_charge]

I’ve got a feeling that our striker signing will be like the Vitinho deal, first we hear of it is when it’s done.

I also think that it’s likely there Is an element of VK trying to smoke Metz out and putting pressure on them to accept a deal or the player to try and force a deal.

[dibraidio]

Agree with this. VK’s quote sounds to me like the player is asking for wages above our current ceiling.

On the Metz forum someone was suggesting that they should up his wages to a five figure sum in order to keep him, that would be somewhere around 2.5k per week as they work on a monthly basis in France not weekly. I remember reading not long back that the average wage for a player in D1 was around 10k a week so it wouldn't be a surprise if a young player that was loaned out was earning a lot less.

There was also a suggestion on there that the lad is not for sale unless they get a stupid money bid which they were suggesting would be in the region of 15m. They seem to think he'll be worth a lot more in two years than 5m euros. Then again, it's not because the fans think that that the powers that be are going to have the same view.

He seems to have started the season really well (two goals and 3 assists in four games) but at 5 foot 9 is he really going to take the place of Barnes or Jay Rod?

[bumba]

£70m in sales, can't afford £6m for a striker. Brilliant stuff

Be realistic with your figures, you claim to be a football guru but don't seem to understand how it works.
Just because we made £70 million in sales doesn't mean we have anywhere near that to spend.
We don't even know exactly what we paid last summer but for example if we paid £15 million for Cornet and have paid one £5 million payment we still owe Lyon £10 million leaving just £7.5 million from the sale.
Collins say we paid £15 million, paid £5 upfront and again owe £10 million that means possibly have £5 million to play with.
We seem to be going down the route of only spending what is in the bank which is the right way to go to clear the debts and get the books back in profit.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Be realistic with your figures, you claim to be a football guru but don't seem to understand how it works.
Just because we made £70 million in sales doesn't mean we have anywhere near that to spend.
We don't even know exactly what we paid last summer but for example if we paid £15 million for Cornet and have paid one £5 million payment we still owe Lyon £10 million leaving just £7.5 million from the sale.
Collins say we paid £15 million, paid £5 upfront and again owe £10 million that means possibly have £5 million to play with.
We seem to be going down the route of only spending what is in the bank which is the right way to go to clear the debts and get the books back in profit.

Bumba your forgetting the sums we brought in last summer from outgoings. We brought in close to 35m last year.

[CoolClaret]

Be realistic with your figures, you claim to be a football guru but don't seem to understand how it works.
Just because we made £70 million in sales doesn't mean we have anywhere near that to spend.
We don't even know exactly what we paid last summer but for example if we paid £15 million for Cornet and have paid one £5 million payment we still owe Lyon £10 million leaving just £7.5 million from the sale.
Collins say we paid £15 million, paid £5 upfront and again owe £10 million that means possibly have £5 million to play with.
We seem to be going down the route of only spending what is in the bank which is the right way to go to clear the debts and get the books back in profit.

Bottom line is we had cash reserves until Garlick decided to sell to ALK to put us in a precarious situation

[123EasyasBFC]

Bottom line is we had cash reserves until Garlick decided to sell to ALK to put us in a precarious situation

The cash reserves stuff bores me, even under garlick a massive rebuild was coming that would of cost millions, people can’t think we could of stayed debt free forever, garlick would of still had to take us into debt to help rebuild the squad simple as that

[Newcastleclaret93]

The cash reserves stuff bores me, even under garlick a massive rebuild was coming that would of cost millions, people can’t think we could of stayed debt free forever, garlick would of still had to take us into debt to help rebuild the squad simple as that

Not sure I agree. We have just rebuilt the squad on peanuts in comparison to what was in the reserves

[ClaretAL]

what happened to "NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION"?

[123EasyasBFC]

Not sure I agree. We have just rebuilt the squad on peanuts in comparison to what was in the reserves

When someone like Anthony Gordon is going for 60mil and players form championship are now going for 30+mil there’s no way we would rebuild a new squad on peanuts

[arise_sir_charge]

People just can’t help themselves, two posters in particular seem incapable of adhering to a simple request.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We are discussing a transfer? Unfortunately finances are part of transfers

[CoolClaret]

what happened to "NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION"?

Well it’s clear we’ve got most of the squad but can’t get a few deals over the line on remaining targets because of finances; the reason that the finances are in bad shape is because of the manner of the takeover.

This does leave a certain impression that we could have been buying some pretty average players (fingers crossed they aren’t) to paper the cracks.

Cold harsh truth.

[arise_sir_charge]

We are discussing a transfer? Unfortunately finances are part of transfers

Fees are part of transfers.

Discussion about debt, Mike Garlick and all that other tedious nonsense isn’t required on this thread.

It’s a simple request, just try and stick to it.

[The Enclosure]

NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION. Its transfer rumours.Simple.

[arise_sir_charge]

Well it’s clear we’ve got most of the squad but can’t get a few deals over the line on remaining targets because of finances; the reason that the finances are in bad shape is because of the manner of the takeover.

This does leave a certain impression that we could have been buying some pretty average players (fingers crossed they aren’t) to paper the cracks.

Cold harsh truth.

Posts like this are exactly why this thread was titled “NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION” as it’s all guess work, speculation and supposition.

[forzagranata]

Be realistic with your figures, you claim to be a football guru but don't seem to understand how it works.
Just because we made £70 million in sales doesn't mean we have anywhere near that to spend.
We don't even know exactly what we paid last summer but for example if we paid £15 million for Cornet and have paid one £5 million payment we still owe Lyon £10 million leaving just £7.5 million from the sale.
Collins say we paid £15 million, paid £5 upfront and again owe £10 million that means possibly have £5 million to play with.
We seem to be going down the route of only spending what is in the bank which is the right way to go to clear the debts and get the books back in profit.

Works both ways though. To buy a player for, say, 4.2 million, we don’t have to spend 4.2 million now.

[creepingdeath]

Anything rumoured re Jamal Lowe at Bournmuff was meant to start last night but mysteriously Ill in warm up

[Newcastleclaret93]

Posts like this are exactly why this thread was titled “NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION” as it’s all guess work, speculation and supposition.

Not sure what he’s said that there that’s guesswork

[TheFamilyCat]

We are discussing a transfer? Unfortunately finances are part of transfers

They are, but they don't need to be discussed.

We offer £Xm for a player (different £Xm depending on the source). Player's club turn it down. Relevant to the thread.

Nobody knows whether we are unwilling or incapable of increasing the offer. Therefore irrelevant to the thread, just guesswork and for some, another opportunity to have a dig at the owners/the takeover/Garlick/any other agenda.

[dibraidio]

Apparently Boubakar Kouyate is refusing to play at Metz to force a move. Metz were asking 10m for him but we reportedly offered 2.5m and were supposedly going back with an offer of 5m plus a sell on clause. Nothing has happened in a while but the player hasn't featured since and it could be that he and his agent are trying to force the club to listen to offers before the window closes.

[Newcastleclaret93]

They are, but they don't need to be discussed.

We offer £Xm for a player (different £Xm depending on the source). Player's club turn it down. Relevant to the thread.

Nobody knows whether we are unwilling or incapable of increasing the offer. Therefore irrelevant to the thread, just guesswork and for some, another opportunity to have a dig at the owners/the takeover/Garlick/any other agenda.

We are discussing that our manager said we are can’t financially go for this player

[Firthy]

Unfortunately it's impossible to discuss the Mikautadze transfer without financial discussion after what VK said. We don't know why we're priced out of the deal. It could be that his wage demands are too high to fit in with our structure, Metz asking price is too high compared to Burnleys valuation or that we don't have the funds available (which would be very worrying after our outgoings if the price is £4.2m)

I personally think Metz valuation is much higher than Burnley are prepared to pay, if this is the case, then we're doing the sensible thing and looking elsewhere.

[NewClaret]

Some huge overreactions on here to a statement that included the word “probably”.

[Kevwando]

The same was said about O’Hare and then it was strongly rumoured we would have gone in with an improved offer if it wasn’t for the injury.

[claretonthecoast1882]

We are discussing that our manager said we are can’t financially go for this player

Chelsea have walked away from Fofana do you think they can't afford him ?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Chelsea have walked away from Fofana do you think they can't afford him ?

Some seriously weird takes here

[TheFamilyCat]

We are discussing that our manager said we are can’t financially go for this player

But without any concrete knowledge of what the detail actually is.

To some, we can't afford £4.2m and we're skint/cheapskates.

To others, we don't think he's worth £10m which is sensible because he's a complete unknown.

It could be the players wages or the structure of the deal that's put us off.

It could all be a smokescreen.

It could be a combination of any of the above.

Nobody really knows.

Either way, there is no need to keep banging on about £70m income, the ownership, the buyout, Garlick.

[arise_sir_charge]

Not sure what he’s said that there that’s guesswork

Well it’s clear we’ve got most of the squad but can’t get a few deals over the line on remaining targets because of finances; the reason that the finances are in bad shape is because of the manner of the takeover.

This does leave a certain impression that we could have been buying some pretty average players (fingers crossed they aren’t) to paper the cracks.

Hope this helps

[claretonthecoast1882]

Some seriously weird takes here

That sums up your whole posting history, no wonder you often agree with the resident troll

[Greekclaret]

Just because you’re priced out of a deal doesn’t mean you cannot afford the deal. If Burnley value him at 5 million but they want 10 million we are priced out because they want too much. Its pretty simple if you give yourself a minute to think about it. Or should we pay over the odds for every single transfer target we have been linked with and be held to ransom? I’m sure some posters on here would be happy with us paying 15 million for a player who isn’t valued more than 5 million. Delusional clarets at it again

[Tricky Trevor]

We are discussing that our manager said we are can’t financially go for this player

Well start a new effing thread then those of us that are only interested in transfers don’t have to scroll through sh1te.

[agreenwood]

Newcastle on this thread is a bit like Burnley’s use of the ball so far this season. He occupies about 70% of it without being particularly interesting and at times can be frustrating.

That’s where the comparison ends though. I’m confident that Burnley will improve significantly.

[Ric_C]

I swear Newcastleclaret93 and KRBFC are the same person

[CrosspoolClarets]

Unfortunately it's impossible to discuss the Mikautadze transfer without financial discussion after what VK said. We don't know why we're priced out of the deal. It could be that his wage demands are too high to fit in with our structure, Metz asking price is too high compared to Burnleys valuation or that we don't have the funds available (which would be very worrying after our outgoings if the price is £4.2m)

I personally think Metz valuation is much higher than Burnley are prepared to pay, if this is the case, then we're doing the sensible thing and looking elsewhere.

Exactly, it is growing tiresome the constant attempts to stop “on topic” posts just because they are financial. Kompany brought up the cost of transfers specifically against this rumour - so it is relevant to observe whether or not we think we would have enough cash available.

The last page of this has numerous posters expressing outrage at what Kompany said - there should be no outrage, just an acceptance of reality that there isn’t much to spend due to the takeover still not being fully paid off. We don’t need a prolonged debate on it, it is a simple fact and will be for some time to come.

I do think though that the above poster could have it right, there could be elements to the deal we don’t want to pay, it won’t be wages, but it could be agent’s fees, a big sell on clause or an unrealistically high price. Let’s hope so.

But let’s stop the sniping at perfectly reasonable on topic posts when whole pages of this thread are ruined by all kinds of other tittle tattle unconnected to transfers.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Exactly, it is growing tiresome the constant attempts to stop “on topic” posts just because they are financial. Kompany brought up the cost of transfers specifically against this rumour - so it is relevant to observe whether or not we think we would have enough cash available.

The last page of this has numerous posters expressing outrage at what Kompany said - there should be no outrage, just an acceptance of reality that there isn’t much to spend due to the takeover still not being fully paid off. We don’t need a prolonged debate on it, it is a simple fact and will be for some time to come.

I do think though that the above poster could have it right, there could be elements to the deal we don’t want to pay, it won’t be wages, but it could be agent’s fees, a big sell on clause or an unrealistically high price. Let’s hope so.

But let’s stop the sniping at perfectly reasonable on topic posts when whole pages of this thread are ruined by all kinds of other tittle tattle unconnected to transfers.

Good post

[forzagranata]

There is always lots we don't know about transfer deals - that is a given.

But the info that we know is out there is - a credible journalist reported we had offered 2.5 million euros but that Metz want double that.

Our manager said last night: "It is a difficult one, there are some players that are out of our range financially.

“For us it is a player who is probably out of our range.”

It doesn't seem unreasonable for people to suggest therefore that we aren't willing to pay the 5 million euros for this particular player.

[arise_sir_charge]

There is always lots we don't know about transfer deals - that is a given.

But the info that we know is out there is - a credible journalist reported we had offered 2.5 million euros but that Metz want double that.

Our manager said last night: "It is a difficult one, there are some players that are out of our range financially.

“For us it is a player who is probably out of our range.”

It doesn't seem unreasonable for people to suggest therefore that we aren't willing to pay the 5 million euros for this particular player.

Absolutely it doesn’t.

However to then over dissect why that might be and bring Mike Garlick etc into the discussion is tiresome and unnecessary.

[warksclaret]

Time is running out-the club needs to move on. The club still has the option to loan and a striker and a centre half. Three of our best signings have been loans and means we can go higher quality without parting with cash, and probably prioritise players playing in this country. With too many overseas players I worry about the comaraderie throughout the team.

[Lancasterclaret]

Arise Sir Charge is right

We all know by now that we have a big debt to pay off, and that will affect our transfer policy

We've raised a lot, spent a small amount of that, and have a small amount left over to fill two or three positions

If Metz want more than we can afford, then we have to move on, and its pointless going back to the sale and all the stuff associated with that because we all agree that it was sub optimal for Burnley football club (though the complete lack of alternatives made it the only way we could go)

[Steddyman]

Can we shut-up about the finances please. None of us have any clue what the financial situation at the club is and any discussion on it is just speculation and usually sour grapes thrown in by people with their own agenda. Very likely VK is using the media as a bargaining chip in discussions.

We've brought in 12 players already FFS and we probably aren't finished just yet.

[KefkaClaret]

Just need a striker so I never have to see Barnes given meaningful minutes again


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[Tribesmen]

Now the one thing that upsets me is why people keep calling it EUROS is not its Euro and cent , you lads from the UK tut tut .