ARTICLE: Collins departs for Wolves after one year at Burnley

[Milltown1882]

Not many

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So 2 since before January this year?

[PremierLeagueClass]

Stone fans are gutted about the fee, very small cut for them.

Makes me wonder if we’ve negotiated a decent sell on clause with Wolves. Given his potential, if it’s a percentage of profit clause, we could get a decent return down the line.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So 2 since before January this year?

Yup.
You could make an argument that we've undersold some of those in the past, but we've finally started selling for big money to match paying out big money

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Could Kompany have just told Collins to stay away from training if the club knew he was going? Unusual to be the only one not there.

Had he definitely not been back training with us?

[dougcollins]

This feels an uncomfortable transfer to me.

A player we needed to keep, but we just went for the money.

Could really bite us.

[FCBurnley]

The key to all good teams is it’s spine of GK CH and CF. We have just sold ( or given away) Pope. 3 x CH and and 2 x CF ( 3 when Cornet leaves)
Let’s see how that works out !

[Burnley Ace]

Probably not. But then he hasn’t moved to a league that is arguably a lesser standard that he’s at now.

Which Championship teams are playing in Europe? He’s playing in a Premier League.

[AfloatinClaret]

Jesus, you've got a big opinion of yourself

Are you blind? Surely you must've come to realise by now, what a leg end in his own lunchtime KRBFC is.

[bobinho]

Which Championship teams are playing in Europe? He’s playing in a Premier League.

Have you watched the Turkish top tier? Premier in name only I’m afraid…. Bit like the SPL.

[leelad]

Apart from his abberations against Villa & Newcastle, he has been top drawer for us. Wish him well in the Premiership. He's not the finished article by any means but hopefully at some point he will look back on his Burnley career with fond memories.
Time for VK to reinvest this money now (if it goes to finance the debt, that will be a crying shame) and continue with the rebuild. Keeper, Winger and striker required please.

[Big Vinny K]

Lets just put this into context

We lost the spine of our team in Mee, Tarks and Pope, and now we've lost the very decent back up

I think THB will be more than fine, but he's only on loan, and I'm sure the others will be fine in time, but its asking a lot for them to fill the boots of the really great players we have lost straight away

And I wish people would stop saying people are being pessimistic because they are looking at stuff realistically

We don't have a choice to do it any other way btw, and we are putting a huge amount of trust and faith in the management team

My response was at somebody who had just posted that he thought we were a good relegation bet at 9/1 !!

I posted on another thread that I felt that most fans are in between a feeling of excitement and trepidation. That’s certainly where I am.
Optimistic is thinking we will go up (or walk the league !)
Pessimism is thinking we will be relegated.

I’m neither of these.

[Rowls]

Seeing we sold Kyle Laffably for £4 million waaay back in 2009 has cheered me up a tiny bit.

[s6t9a2f3f]

Lots of people talking about "rebuilding" but unless we get promotion surely our best/better players are always going to be sold ?
Either to survive / finance the debt etc etc our owners aren't rich ones unlike some so all our good players are always "going to be for sale"
How can you rebuild / build your team around your best/better/talented younger players when there always going to be sold ?

[Claretitus]

The key to all good teams is it’s spine of GK CH and CF. We have just sold ( or given away) Pope. 3 x CH and and 2 x CF ( 3 when Cornet leaves)
Let’s see how that works out !

How have we “ given away” anyone? Mee and Tarks ran down their contracts, as they can. They leave for free as they’re not contracted.We haven’t “given” them away. Pope and Collins chose to leave, Pope had 1 yr left on his contract, and there wasn’t a bidding war. Collins had his release clause met. End of. We can all think we’ve had our pants pulled down, but do you really believe the club would have sold them for what they did, if it was easy to get more? The answer clearly is no.

[ClaretLoup]

I think Ben Mee will prove to be more of a loss than Collins. We need a commanding experienced figure at the back to get promoted and someone who can galvanise a back four.

Collins gave Newcastle a goal start in a game we had to win to stay up. He not only gave the penalty away he gave away the corner that led to it by dawdling on the ball. We need players that don’t screw up in big games if we are to get promoted.

He has a vast amount of potential but we need someone at centre back who has realised it.

If Hennessy leaves we need a goalie too.

[jedi_master]

It’s a sad sale as I fully expected him to be the standout player for us this season. You cannot look at the remnants of our centre of defence and feel confident as we simply know nothing about them (bar Long…!). Who knows, maybe McNally plays and we laugh at how little we have missed Collins - or maybe he is massively out of his depth after being thrown in at the deep end? We have no idea yet, but soon will. The entire fanbase needs to show these lads some patience.

Like everything this summer, I refuse to be overly happy or overly sad about the sales and transfers we are making. I know barely anything about these players we’re signing, other than their appearance/goals records and reading their previous fans thoughts - so how can I be either optimistic or pessimistic about them? The proof will be in the pudding.

I wish Collins well - he will be some player, already is really. A sad sale, but let’s see what Kompany does with the cash he gets from this sale. He’s signed six players off the back of Pope going and other players being released, maybe now is where the required leeway is in place to get a proper centre forward. They always cost more.

[Longsider]

Every cloud..... He didn't sign for Leeds

[Dingo]

A great move for Collins and I expect he'll do well at Wolves. I'd expect anyone in his position to have wanted the move to happen, so good for all parties. I would've liked to have seen him play for us next season but it's a reasonable deal for the club and an approach we need to get used to. That is, we need to be prepared for some or all of our recent signings being sold next summer if they perform well but we don't go up, in which case we'll have identified other young players to replace them. Quite a departure from the last few years when turnover has been pretty static. I think it's an interesting approach and looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

[bfcjg]

A player who wants to leave is no good to any club, he can go **** himself now as far as I am concerned.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Fantastic price for unproven talent. Now to reinvest.

[dougcollins]

'Wants to leave', 'Release clause' - any of this based on fact, or just assumptions?

[Stayingup]

Two seasons ago we won 4-0 at Wolves. Now we're in the process of selling the crown jewels and this shows just how low we have sunk and might even sink further. It is a shame and I hooe I'm wrong.

[Buxtonclaret]

We should have kept him.
And 20m in todays market is, like Nicks to the Mags, bloody cheap.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Well that was short and sweet.

So two young lads with Roberts and Taylor either side. Sounds fun.

[Enola Gay]

PSG spent £170m on Mbappe, we spent £170m on Alan Pace.

I'm sure this sounded great when it first appeared in the considerable space between your ears, but repeating it isn't going to make it funny or correct.

[Big Vinny K]

Two seasons ago we won 4-0 at Wolves. Now we're in the process of selling the crown jewels and this shows just how low we have sunk and might even sink further. It is a shame and I hooe I'm wrong.

We beat Liverpool too at Anfield.
It means nothing now.
We are where we are.
All the statistics evidenced that we would be relegated at some point. We lasted longer than any club has ever done in the Premier League era with a budget equivalent to ours.
We have beaten United, Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal during our time in the league.

Most teams who get relegated lose most of their big players quickly…..given the budget constraints we had to work with in the Premier League we were never going to be the exception to this.

Let’s hope we can bounce back in next year or 2.

[KellyClaret]

Boring this now.

You're like a low IQ Yoda

[paulatky]

Boring this now.

But true

[Granny WeatherWax]

We should have kept him.
And 20m in todays market is, like Nicks to the Mags, bloody cheap.

All this ‘todays market’ stuff is nonsense.

Show me a comparative player who has gone for more.

[boatshed bill]

A player who wants to leave is no good to any club, he can go **** himself now as far as I am concerned.

You see, I really like this

[claret2018]

By reset I’m talking about a change in philosophy around the club.

I don’t want to get back to the premier league and then revert to hoofing it up to a big man and having 15% possession.

[joey13]

By reset I’m talking about a change in philosophy around the club.

I don’t want to get back to the premier league and then revert to hoofing it up to a big man and having 15% possession.

Which games did we have 15% possession?

[Tribesmen]

Sad top see him leave but what can we do . Hey one in and one out for the Irish

[Claret Alfie]

Good luck to him. I think Wolves will more than double their money in a year or two.

[KRBFC]

I'm sure this sounded great when it first appeared in the considerable space between your ears, but repeating it isn't going to make it funny or correct.

It's absolutely correct

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Really poor sale this one, was he itching to go?

If he was fair enough if he wasn’t then it is turning into a fire sale, poor all round. Big thumbs down from me.

[KRBFC]

All this ‘todays market’ stuff is nonsense.

Show me a comparative player who has gone for more.

Has there ever been a Championship central defender with the ceiling of Collins?

Cry nonsense all you want but I'm not sure I can even find a comparable player, nevermind a comparable deal. 25 year old Adam Webster went for the same price?

Less than Ben Godfrey? really?

Ake went for £40m when he left Bournemouth????

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Ben Godfrey went for £20 million didn't he?

Ake - a lot more PL experience, with about 120 games and also a Dutch international.
Yes he was overpriced but it was also City buying and they don't worry about overpaying.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ben Godfrey went for £20 million didn't he?

Ake - a lot more PL experience, with about 120 games and also a Dutch international.
Yes he was overpriced but it was also City buying and they don't worry about overpaying.

Godfrey went for 25 rising to 30m

[Claret Alfie]

Fulham paid £20 million for Alfie Mawson a few years ago

[1989_claret]

You're like a low IQ Yoda

Love it

[Granny WeatherWax]

Has there ever been a Championship central defender with the ceiling of Collins?

Cry nonsense all you want but I'm not sure I can even find a comparable player, nevermind a comparable deal. 25 year old Adam Webster went for the same price?

Less than Ben Godfrey? really?

Ake went for £40m when he left Bournemouth????

He’s played 60 games. He’s unproven. He couldn’t even displace Ben Mee.

Haaland £54m. Nunez £67.5m. Bissouma £26m. Richarlison £52m. Sterling £47m. Mane £29m.

Just a few fees there from this summer. Experienced and proven players moving from clubs who have money. £20.5m for a player who looked ok in the PL seems about right.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I think if we had stayed up we would have kept him but with relegation and the debts we have it was always going to be difficult to keep him. I do think that Wolves have got themselves one hell of a player who will probably end up at one of the top four clubs. Just a shame we will not see him as a Burnley player any more.

[boatshed bill]

If we had rated Collins we should have sold Tarkowski.

[KlyBfc]

My opinion

It seems a relatively low fee for someone I think (a potential rolls Royce) could have been important this year and brought in more money in years to come.

However on the other hand, he’s still a relative novice. His games had some impressive displays (spurs springs to mind). But those games also saw some naive / costly errors (villa home and away, Newcastle home again spring to mind). For some that could mean they see 20m as a good price.

A lot for me depends on if we have a sell on and how much we may have been due to pay Stoke in future add ons. If we have 25% on future profit then that’s decent. By the latter point it may be that if he played one or a few more games it would have triggered another payment to Stoke due to appearances. So selling now for slightly less as opposed to keeping him longer and forking out a bit more may make sense. That’s just speculation of course and me hoping those at the top know what they are doing and what our players are worth.

[KRBFC]

He’s played 60 games. He’s unproven. He couldn’t even displace Ben Mee.

Haaland £54m. Nunez £67.5m. Bissouma £26m. Richarlison £52m. Sterling £47m. Mane £29m.

Just a few fees there from this summer. Experienced and proven players moving from clubs who have money. £20.5m for a player who looked ok in the PL seems about right.

comparing with other positions is true nonsense. You don't rate Collins that highly, that's fine. I believe he's got the potential to go to the very top and looked more than ok last season. Wolves value their young left back at £40m.

[Granny WeatherWax]

comparing with other positions is true nonsense. You don't rate Collins that highly, that's fine. I believe he's got the potential to go to the very top and looked more than ok last season. Wolves value their young left back at £40m.

It’s an indication of the market.

If you’re sat there thinking BFC didn’t get the best deal possible in the market conditions then you’re deluded.

And I didn’t want him to leave, but there’s nothing we could have done other than sell him for the best deal we could get.

[NewClaret]

Two seasons ago we won 4-0 at Wolves. Now we're in the process of selling the crown jewels and this shows just how low we have sunk and might even sink further. It is a shame and I hooe I'm wrong.

Have to say, selling him feels bad but to Wolves - a team who in recent history we’ve historically been on a par with and got decent results against - makes it feel worse.

I thought the same when we got beaten in the friendly, knowing we were playing a very weak CB pairing, one of whom was a loan, compared to what we had previously.

Does feel like we’ve taken a massive cut in quality. To be expected, I suppose, but disappointing.

[arise_sir_charge]

Couple of people on here saying there is nothing to suggest he wanted to go.

I my be simplifying matters a little, bit signing a 6 year contract for another club 100 miles away, makes me think he wasn’t exactly chaining himself to the railings at Barnfield.

[arise_sir_charge]

Have to say, selling him feels bad but to Wolves - a team who in recent history we’ve historically been on a par with and got decent results against - makes it feel worse.

I thought the same when we got beaten in the friendly, knowing we were playing a very weak CB pairing, one of whom was a loan, compared to what we had previously.

Does feel like we’ve taken a massive cut in quality. To be expected, I suppose, but disappointing.

Come on New, very little if anything to be taken from a friendly result.