ARTICLE: Collins departs for Wolves after one year at Burnley

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:31 pm

Move confirmed

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/collins-de ... at-burnley

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:33 pm

Time to reinvest and move on. Simple.

fanzone · Post by **fanzone** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:35 pm

If there were no release clause this is a very negative sale, Collins were the exact player we should have been keeping and building a new quality squad with.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:37 pm

Shame we didn’t get to see him develop further but it is what it is. I can see why the deal was done. Now we continue our rebuild! Exciting.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:37 pm

This one happened so quickly

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm

Just tweeted this. Will repeat here.

Hopefully a few good players will be bought with that money.

Good luck to Collins. A shame his brief time will be remembered as a failure, some great performances and goals but his red card and handball were pivotal and naive. He’ll be a star - but isn’t yet.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm

Very disappointed he will be a top player unfortunately at Wolves now

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm

1989_claret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:33 pm
Time to reinvest and move on. Simple.

Yep, it’s a conveyor belt.

Something we should have been doing for years.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:37 pm
This one happened so quickly

Did it? Nixon reported Wolves interest 3 weeks ago.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:31 pm
Move confirmed

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/collins-de ... at-burnley

Strangely this one hurts more than Mee and Tarks. Was hoping we could build the team around him and the fee seems on the cheap side

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:37 pm
Shame we didn’t get to see him develop further but it is what it is. I can see why the deal was done. Now we continue our rebuild! Exciting.

I can see why the deal was done , to finance the debt

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm

Shame he wanted to go rather than play for us in the Championship. Will he get the same abuse as WW?

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:39 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm
I can see why the deal was done , to finance the debt

Boring this now.

Gp8419 · Post by **Gp8419** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:39 pm

Absolute bargain! We have probably lost 10m on him because we are relegated- we wouldn’t of had to give him away. He will be 50m plus and a top four player in 3 season I reckon.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:37 pm
This one happened so quickly

I don't think the deal started at this time yesterday... Never returned to the club... Nixon mentioned it 3 weeks ago...

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:40 pm

Awful departure for us. Possibly the worst one so far.

Let’s hopes it’s reinvested in the club and not the debt

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:40 pm

Sad loss, but no use crying over spilt milk.
I hope he goes on to prove what a top player he can be, if only to rub it in to his doubters on this board

Good luck Nathan, a shame it wasn't longer.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:40 pm

Good luck to him. Cornet will be next.

Clowbridge89 · Post by **Clowbridge89** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:41 pm

As mentioned above, it should be a conveyor belt. We’ve not sold our best players at the right time under Dyche. As long as we reinvest I would prefer it like this rather than allowing him to run down his contract and waltz out on a free in a few years time.

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:41 pm

If he doesn’t want to be here then why keep him? People on other social media platforms are overreacting and talking like he was Maldini.

Reinvest the money and move on!

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:41 pm

Made a healthy profit on a player that made 18 Premier League appearances for us. Do I think he’d have been great for us this season? Yeah. Do I begrudge him a move back to the Prem? No. Is it a decent deal? Depending on the actual fee, any sell on clause etc. it doesn’t feel like the worst deal.

As long as some of it’s reinvested into a striker and wide midfielder, then cool.

We’ll have to get used to it. The model is to bring players in and make a profit. Not a bad model if we’re successful on the pitch and whilst it’s easy to say we haven’t been in the last 18 months, it’s also easy to point to the lack of investment in the seasons before.

I’m staying positive!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:41 pm

1989_claret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:39 pm
Boring this now.

What’s boring about it , it’s true

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:42 pm

Pity he's gone, but we now must invest, particularly in a quality proven striker, but also on a keeper, and a winger.

We can't rely on Barnes and Jay, Hennessey might well be heading to Forest soon, and JBG is injury prone, plus I wouldn't rule either or both of Cornet and McNeil also moving on.

The XI we field at Huddersfield will be totally unrecognisable from the one which started last season against Brighton, or indeed finished the season against Newcastle.

I know we probably expected changes, but this is radical surgery, and we can only hope Kompany's faith in these youngsters is vindicated over the course of the season, because there's an awful lot now resting on their shoulders.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:43 pm

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm
Shame he wanted to go rather than play for us in the Championship. Will he get the same abuse as WW?

I don't recall ever hearing him say he wanted to go - I think it's more us wanting the deal to happen

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:43 pm
I don't recall ever hearing him say he wanted to go - I think it's more us wanting the deal to happen

That’s how I see it. If we wanted him to stay he’d still be here.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:45 pm

More quality out, no doubt to be replaced by cheaper gambles.

I think the 9/1 about relegation will provide a fair trade opportunity at some point through this season.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:45 pm

In the photo in Tony's article, Collins' hand is half way to where it was against Newcastle.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:47 pm

Lots of our fans must only have started watching Burnley in the last 6 years, to not realise what happens when relegated

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:48 pm

5 year deal with further year option?

That’ll be a hell of a buy out for somebody

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:50 pm

A sad loss…. Definitely looks good enough to be a top PL player. Having said that I would like to hear his account of why on earth he came up with that ridiculous handball v Newcastle !

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:50 pm

Clowbridge89 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:41 pm
As mentioned above, it should be a conveyor belt. We’ve not sold our best players at the right time under Dyche. As long as we reinvest I would prefer it like this rather than allowing him to run down his contract and waltz out on a free in a few years time.

A necessary evil. We do need to make money by selling our better players. It will never be popular, as our better players will always have a greater attachment to the fans. The downside of Nathan is the timing and the price, but if we accept that we need to sell to survive, as we have ever done, then this one shouldn't be any different.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:50 pm

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:45 pm
More quality out, no doubt to be replaced by cheaper gambles.

I think the 9/1 about relegation will provide a fair trade opportunity at some point through this season.

You really hate the owners don't you ha

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:51 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:48 pm
5 year deal with further year option?

That’ll be a hell of a buy out for somebody

Good we might make a killing on the sell-on fee, I assume we have insisted on a sell-on fee.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:51 pm

Ultimately a 9 figure sum will be paid to the original shareholders - I’ll leave it at that rather than starting a new debate again about actual valuations. But it’s obviously over £100m.

This kind of thing is needed to find that cash unless new investors inject some cash in. We can go on all we like about hoping this sale is spent on new players, but it doesn’t change the above case of need. It emphasises the tough task Kompany has ahead of him, but, crucially, he seems to be aware of it before he came and appears keen to take it on.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:51 pm

Obviously gone as soon as he didn’t come back in for pre-season. Great talent but file under Weghorst, didn’t want to be here move on with people who want to play for Burnley Football Club.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:51 pm

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm
Yep, it’s a conveyor belt.

Something we should have been doing for years.

Agree with that statement, i know it’s only hindsight but if the rumour at the time was that we could have got £30mil plus for Tarks with only a couple of years on his contract left we should have sold and looked for the next gem then.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:52 pm

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:50 pm
A sad loss…. Definitely looks good enough to be a top PL player. Having said that I would like to hear his account of why on earth he came up with that ridiculous handball v Newcastle !

It's disappointing that his last two games at home he had shockers against Villa and Newcastle. Other than that, he did well for us and it's a blow losing him.

Mayoclaret · Post by **Mayoclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:52 pm

Very sorry to see him go but it felt like it was always on the cards - if someone came in with the right price etc etc

This transfer now goes down as the highest fee ever paid for an Irish player.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:53 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:51 pm
Obviously gone as soon as he didn’t come back in for pre-season. Great talent but file under Weghorst, didn’t want to be here move on with people who want to play for Burnley Football Club.

Sorry, but again there has been no indication that he didn't want to be here, unlike Weghorst who couldn't wait to tell the world he wasn't going to play for us.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:54 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:51 pm
Obviously gone as soon as he didn’t come back in for pre-season. Great talent but file under Weghorst, didn’t want to be here move on with people who want to play for Burnley Football Club.

That is the disappointing bit-the fact he never came back for pre-season. Sadly like VW ie crocodile tears immediately after the Newcastle defeat

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:55 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:47 pm
Lots of our fans must only have started watching Burnley in the last 6 years, to not realise what happens when relegated

We've always been a selling club that's just the reality of our standing.

I suppose we should consider it a positive that our players are now going for £20m+ in most cases, the problem will be too keep the conveyor belt flowing, well at the same time build a squad capable of challenging for promotion, and then all being well staying in the PL.

CardyTheClaret · Post by **CardyTheClaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:57 pm

More than doubled our money in one year for an unproven centre back. Good business.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:58 pm

A small dent in the debt I suppose.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:01 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:57 pm
More than doubled our money in one year for an unproven centre back. Good business.

12m paid, reported 21m in, less the 1.5m rumoured sell on fee due to Stoke, means that it's around a £7m profit. Whilst a reasonable profit, if used wisely, it's nowhere near the "More than double" that you quote.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:02 pm

Shame but it was always going to happen when we went down.
Good player but when they want to go there is little that can be done.

Let’s hope we’ve found the next Collins already.

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:02 pm

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:01 pm
12m paid, reported 21m in, less the 1.5m rumoured sell on fee due to Stoke, means that it's around a £7m profit. Whilst a reasonable profit, if used wisely, it's nowhere near the "More than double" that you quote.

Sounds like a good deal.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:03 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:57 pm
More than doubled our money in one year for an unproven centre back. Good business.

Nowhere near doubled if the figures are accurate

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:03 pm

This is the ALK business model as it's meant to work. If we'd known a year ago he would be here for a year then move on for £20m I suspect we (club and fans) would have been thrilled.

Sad to see him go though. And dismayed but not shocked by the number of people deciding he wanted out and should be slagged off for it.

RickyBobby · Post by **RickyBobby** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:03 pm

So we rejected £20 million as we wanted £30 million and then we have sold him for £20.5 million.
It is becoming a joke. It is obvious he was off, that isn’t the issue, but to get only £20.5 million for him, and only around £12 million for pope is laughable.
Something is clearly wrong at the club and it is worrying. We should have made well over £50 million out of them 2, instead we made only £32-33 million. something is desperately wrong.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:04 pm

In his interview after the Ireland game, with his "We'll see where I'm playing next season" quote. It always came across to me that he wasn't sure whether the club will be accepting offers for him. I don't think he was pushing for a move, but that's my gut instinct.