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Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:02 pm

Anybody done them yet?

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by aggi » Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:12 am

I'll fix the spreadsheet in the next few days. Need to find new data sources for the championship
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:59 am

aggi wrote:
Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:12 am
I'll fix the spreadsheet in the next few days. Need to find new data sources for the championship
I'm sure there's no rush, aggi. Burnley have got 3 points from one game. Every other team can finish ahead of Burnley if Burnley don't get any more points and all the other teams score their maximums. The league table is all we need to know how we are doing through to Feb/March next year.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by aggi » Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:11 pm

New spreadsheet with a new link (I made a copy of the old one so it's easy to use next season when we're back in the Premier League ...). Obviously pretty meaningless at the moment and I've hidden the various form stuff until we've played half a dozen games.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Life of Riley » Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:54 pm

AmI misreading it or is there not enough clubs

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by aggi » Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:15 pm

Ha, I should probably have paid a bit more attention to the details when I was updating it. Now with 24 clubs.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:19 pm

W/E 18/09/22

Matchday 10

Sheffield United……………………-24…………….115
Norwich ……………………………….-27…………….112
Reading ……………………………….-29……….…….110
Burnley
Sunderland…………………………..-32……….….107
QPR……………………………………..-32…………….107
Blackburn…………………………….-32…………….107
Rotherham………………….……….-30…………….109
Bristol City………………………….-33……………..106
Watford……………………………….-33……………..106
Luton ………………………………….-34……………..105
Wigan…………………………………..-31…………….108
Millwall……………………………….-34………………105
Stoke…………………………………..-35……………..104
Preston………………………………..-35……….…..104
Swansea……………………………….-35…….…....104
Birmingham…………………………-35………………104
Cardiff…………………………………-36……………..103
Blackpool…………………………….-36……………..103
Hull……………………………………..-36……………..103
West Brom…………………………..-37……………..102
Middlesbrough…………………….-37………………102
Huddersfield………………………..-37…………….102
Coventry……………………………..-35……………..104

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:21 pm

20/10

Matchday 15


QPR…………………………………..-44…………………95
Blackburn……………….…………-47………………..92
Burnley
Sheffield Utd……………………-46………………...93
Luton……………………………….-47………………….92
Norwich…………………………..-47………………….92
Swansea…………………….…….-47………………….92
Millwall…………………………….-48……………….…91
Preston…………………………….-52……………….…87
Reading …………………………..-49………………….90
Rotherham……………………….-47………….………92
Bristol …………………………….-53…………….……86
Sunderland …………………….-51…………………..88
Birmingham …………………….-51………………….88
Watford ………………………….-51…………………..88
Stoke………………………………..-52………….………87
Wigan ……………………………….-52…………………87
Cardiff………………………………-53………….………86
Hull…………………………………..-54…………………85
Middlesbrough ………………….-55………………..84
Blackpool ………………………….-55………………..84
West Brom………………………….-57……………….82
Coventry…………………………….-65……………….90
Huddersfield ……………………..-57……………….82

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:37 pm

So over the last 5 matches the magic numbers have dropped by


QPR………………12
Blackburn…….15
Burnley
Sheffield Utd..22
Luton…………….13
Norwich…………20
Swansea………..12
Millwall………….14
Preston…………..17
Reading…………..20
Rotherham………17
Bristol……………..20
Sunderland………19
Birmingham…….16
Watford…………..18
Stoke……………….17
Wigan………………21
Cardiff……………..17
Hull………………….18
Middlesbrough…18
Blackpool…………19
West Brom……….20
Coventry………….14
Huddersfield……20

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Spijed » Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:07 pm

Vince Fontaine wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:21 pm
20/10

Matchday 15


QPR…………………………………..-44…………………95
Blackburn……………….…………-47………………..92
Burnley
Sheffield Utd……………………-46………………...93
Luton……………………………….-47………………….92
Norwich…………………………..-47………………….92
Swansea…………………….…….-47………………….92
Millwall…………………………….-48……………….…91
Preston…………………………….-52……………….…87
Reading …………………………..-49………………….90
Rotherham……………………….-47………….………92
Bristol …………………………….-53…………….……86
Sunderland …………………….-51…………………..88
Birmingham …………………….-51………………….88
Watford ………………………….-51…………………..88
Stoke………………………………..-52………….………87
Wigan ……………………………….-52…………………87
Cardiff………………………………-53………….………86
Hull…………………………………..-54…………………85
Middlesbrough ………………….-55………………..84
Blackpool ………………………….-55………………..84
West Brom………………………….-57……………….82
Coventry…………………………….-65……………….90
Huddersfield ……………………..-57……………….82

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:56 pm

09/11

Matchday 20


Burnley
Blackburn …………………….77
Sheffield Utd ……………….76
Norwich ……………………….73
Watford ……………………….73
QPR ……………………………..72
Preston ………………………..72
Swansea ……………………….71
Luton ……………………………70
Birmingham …………………69
Millwall ………………………..72
Coventry ………………………73
Reading ………………………..67
Rotherham …………………..66
Stoke …………………………….66
Middlesbrough ……………..65
Sunderland …………………..68
Cardiff ………………………….65
Hull………………………………..65
Bristol City…………………….64
Blackpool ………………………63
West Brom …………………….64
Wigan …………………………….61
Huddersfield ……………….…62


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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by jos » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:09 pm

41 points as it stands, ….. Should avoid relegation this season!

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by mdd2 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:26 pm

Stan used to say we need 50 points and then kick on from there

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:35 pm

The halfway point of the season
Match day 23

W/E. 17/12/22

Burnley 3-1 Middlesbrough


Burnley
Sheffield Utd…..(22)…67
Blackburn………………….62
Watford…………………….60
Norwich…………………….58
QPR…………………………..57
Preston……………………..57
Birmingham ……………..55
Millwall …(22).………….58
Swansea …………………..55
Reading …………………….55
Sunderland ……………….54
Middlesbrough ………….53
Coventry ……(21)……….59
Luton ………..(22)……….56
West Brom …(22)……….55
Stoke ………………………..52
Bristol ………………………50
Rotherham ……………….49
Cardiff …………………….49
Hull…………………………..49
Blackpool ………………..47
Wigan ………..…(22)….50
Huddersfield….(22)….45


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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by aggi » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:19 pm

Oops, lots of errors in the form section. Hopefully I now have a better source for them so it should just work.

On course for 105 points based on our last 10 games form ...

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:10 pm

aggi wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:19 pm
Oops, lots of errors in the form section. Hopefully I now have a better source for them so it should just work.

On course for 105 points based on our last 10 games form ...
Hi Aggi, do these only work for relegation or is it possible to set them up for promotion? Cheers for your hard work.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by aggi » Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:08 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:10 pm
Hi Aggi, do these only work for relegation or is it possible to set them up for promotion? Cheers for your hard work.
Not sure what you mean. Isn't promotion just waiting for everyone's magic number to go down to zero?

Magic numbers aren't really my thing though so I might be missing something.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:14 pm

aggi wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:08 pm
Not sure what you mean. Isn't promotion just waiting for everyone's magic number to go down to zero?

Magic numbers aren't really my thing though so I might be missing something.
I guess you can look at it that way.Doh!!

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:58 am

aggi wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:08 pm
Not sure what you mean. Isn't promotion just waiting for everyone's magic number to go down to zero?
I’ve sussed what I was after for the top end. It’s comparing our points on the board with their “max available”. Once they can’t match us they are done.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:32 pm


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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by aggi » Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:37 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:58 am
I’ve sussed what I was after for the top end. It’s comparing our points on the board with their “max available”. Once they can’t match us they are done.
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That's exactly what the magic number is.
We have 47 points
Sheff Utd have max of 113
Magic number is 67 (113 - 47 +1)
That final 1 is because it doesn't take into account goal difference (which changes through the season) so you technically need 1 more point than the max to ensure you can't be caught.

When the magic number gets down to zero a team can't catch us.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:04 am


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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Clarets4me » Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:22 am

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =267725110

After match day 25 ... bar the four Friday games ...

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Clarets4me » Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:38 pm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =267725110

Now including the Friday games, not counting any of the Venkys core products, but not looking too shabby ....

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Commy » Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:40 pm

We are more points ahead of Huddersfield than they have got. I think we might be safe.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sat Dec 31, 2022 3:48 pm

Match Day 25

30/12/2022

Stoke 0-1 Burnley

Burnley
Sheffield Utd……………61
Blackburn ……………….50
Sunderland……………..48
Watford…………………..48
Middlesbrough………..47
Norwich…………………..47
Luton……………………….50
Millwall…………………..50
Reading…………………..47
West Brom……………..46
Swansea………………….46
QPR………………………..46
Coventry………………..48
Preston…………………..45
Birmingham…………..43
Stoke……………………..41
Hull……………………….41
Bristol city…………….39
Cardiff………………….39
Rotherham…………..38
Huddersfield………..39
Blackpool…………….36
Wigan………………….35

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Spijed » Sat Dec 31, 2022 3:58 pm

So promoted in 8 games time :)

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Croydon Claret » Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:01 pm

You can still get 1000/1 for Burnley to be relegated

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:08 pm

Over the last 10 matches the magic numbers have dropped by

Sheffield Utd……………..32
Blackburn………….……….42
Sunderland…………………40
Watford……………………..40
Middlesbrough…………..37
Norwich…………….……….45
Luton………………………….42
Millwall……………………..41
Reading……………………..33
West Brom…………………36
Swansea…………………….46
QPR…………………………..49
Coventry…………………….42
Preston……………….…….42
Birmingham……………….45
Stoke………………………..46
Hull…………………………..44
Bristol City……………….47
Cardiff……………………….47
Rotherham………………..54
Huddersfield…………….43
Blackpool………………….48
Wigan……………………….52

Some big drops in 10 matches. At this rate in another 10 matches we could see up to 10 teams on or below 0
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:45 pm

Match Day 26

02/01/2023

Swansea 1-2 Burnley

Burnley
Sheffield Utd……….-5……….56
Blackburn…………….-3……….47
Watford……………….-3……….45
Middlesbrough…….-3………..44
Millwall……………….-3………..47
Luton…………………..-3……….47
Sunderland………….-5………..43
West Brom…………..-3……….43
Preston………………..-3……….42
Norwich……………….-6……….41
QPR……………………..-5……….41
Reading………………..-6………41
Coventry……………..-5……….43
Swansea……………….-6………40
Hull………………………-3………38
Birmingham…………-6……….37
Stoke……………………-6……….35
Bristol City………….-5……….34
Cardiff…………………-6……….33
Rotherham…………..-6………32
Blackpool…………….-5……….31
Huddersfield……….-6……….33
Wigan…………………..-6………29

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by andyh » Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:21 pm

If we can match the last 10 games in the next 10 we will be in touching distance of the finish line and half the division already will be unable to catch us.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Commy » Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:29 pm

Won't be long before we are safe :D

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:43 pm

Unbelievable that the teams in 3rd & 4th are already down to 41. We can party early April at this rate.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:11 pm

Match Day 27

Burnley 1-0 Coventry


Burnley
Sheffield Utd………..-3……….53
Watford ………………..-3………42
Middlesbrough ……..-3………41
Blackburn ……………..-6……..41
West Brom …………….-3……..40
Norwich ………………..-3………38
Millwall ………………….-6……..41
Luton …………………….-6………41
Sunderland …………...-6……..37
Swansea ………………..-3………37
QPR ……………………….-5………36
Preston …………………..-6…….36
Reading ………………….-5…….36
Coventry …………….….-6………37
Hull …………………………-5……..33
Bristol City …………….-3……….31
Birmingham …………….-6………31
Rotherham ……………..-3……..29
Stoke ……………………….-6……..29
Cardiff …………………….-5………28
Huddersfield ……………-5………26
Blackpool …………………-6……..25
Wigan ……………………….-5……..24

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:20 pm

Because I can’t edit here are the bottom 4 again

Cardiff……………-5……………28
Huddersfield….-5…………..28
Blackpool………-6…………….25
Wigan……………..-5………….24

There seems to be an anomaly on the link that Watford and Blackpool are calculated as if it was a draw when in fact Watford won 2-0

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:37 am

Clarets4me wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:38 pm
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =267725110

Now including the Friday games, not counting any of the Venkys core products, but not looking too shabby ....
More damage for our "rivals" this weekend, hopefully.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Clarets4me » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:28 pm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =267725110

Match day 28 ... still 18 points clear of 3rd place

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:01 pm

Don’t look across at this side of the numbers too often but our extrapolated figures will have Reading sweating. Liking the look of Fiddlers possible finishing positions.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by NRC » Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:09 pm

We’re potentially three games from the first team dropping off the table

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:15 pm

Match Day 28

W/E 21/01/23

Burnley 2-1 WBA


Burnley
Sheffield Utd …………..-3……..50
Watford ……………………-5………37
Blackburn ………………..-5……..36
Middlesbrough ………….-6…….35
Norwich …………………….-3…….35
Luton ………………………..-3…….38
Millwall …………………….-3……..38
Sunderland………………….-3…….34
West Brom ………………..-6……..34
Preston ………………………-3……..33
Swansea …………………….-5……..32
QPR …………………………….-5…….31
Reading ……………………….-6…….30
Coventry …………………….-6……..31
Hull …………………………….-6………27
Bristol City …………………-5………26
Stoke ……………………………-3…….26
Birmingham………………….-6…….25
Rotherham …………………..-5…….24
Cardiff …………………………-6……..22
Huddersfield ……………….-3…….25
Blackpool …………………….-3…….22
Wigan …………………………..-6…….18

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Wed Jan 25, 2023 6:27 pm

We have 18 matches left so I’ve had a look back 18 to match day 10. Since then teams magic numbers have dropped by

Sheffield Utd……….65
Watford……………….69
Blackburn……………71
Middlesbrough…….67
Norwich………………77
Luton…………………..67
Millwall………………..67
Sunderland…………..73
West Brom……………68
Preston…………………71
Swansea……………….72
QPR………………………76
Reading………………..80
Coventry………………73
Hull……………………..76
Bristol City…………..80
Stoke…………………….78
Birmingham………….79
Rotherham……………85
Cardiff………………….81
Huddersfield…………77
Blackpool………………81
Wigan…………………….90

Some massive numbers there. Even the teams at the top only have just over half their drop left!!!

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:04 pm

After the early games. This is getting ridiculous. The way other teams are beating each other or even better playing draws we will be up before April.
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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:39 am


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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:09 pm

Match Day 29

W/E 04/02/2023

Norwich 0-3 Burnley

Burnley
Sheffield Utd ……….-5………45
Middlesbrough ………-3……..32
Luton …………………..-3………35
Watford ……………….-5………29
West Brom …………..-3……..31
Millwall ………………..-5………33
Blackburn …………...-3……..33
Sunderland ……………-5…….29
Norwich ………………..-6…….29
Preston …………………..-6……27
Hull ………………………..-3…….24
Swansea ………………….-6…….26
QPR …………………………-5……..23
Coventry ………………….-6…….25
Reading ……………………-5…….25
Bristol City ………………-3……..23
Birmingham …………….-3………22
Stoke ……………………….-6……..20
Rotherham ……………….-5……..19
Cardiff …………………….-6……..13
Huddersfield ……………-5………17
Blackpool …………………-6……..16
Wigan ……………………….-3……..15

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:44 pm

Sensational.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:36 am

It is possible that after 3 more rounds we can’t be relegated.
Always look on the brightside of life.

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by Goddy » Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:56 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:36 am
It is possible that after 3 more rounds we can’t be relegated.
Always look on the brightside of life.
...and in theory, at least, we could be promoted after 6 more round of matches!!!! :D

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by bfcmartin » Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:26 pm

Two games ago there was 19 teams above 30 points now there’s only 6 amazing really

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Re: Magic Numbers 2022/23

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:31 pm

I love magic numbers.
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