Yeah especially over here with our bad climateLowbankclaret wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:57 pmWe have an allotment, food is very difficult to grow.
Eggs easy with a couple of saved battery hens.
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No you get free electric when the sun shines. It doesn't shine in the evening or much in the Winter!Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:49 pmSo I take it you get free electric all year round plus making 2k profit? that’s fantastic , are there any websites I should be looking at and can you recommend any fitters?
I am out of touch with the latest stuff and di not live locally to you. However, one thing is that your supplier/installer is best if an MCS certified company. This is the industry standard.
The very best advice can be found here:
energysavingtrust.org.uk
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Are your Battery Hens powered by your solar array tooLowbankclaret wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:57 pmWe have an allotment, food is very difficult to grow.
Eggs easy with a couple of saved battery hens.
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I wonder how many of the quids in brigade reside in East Lancashire were we have seen little sunshine this summer?
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I live 3 miles over the border in Yarkshire from East Lancashire and am one of the quids in brigadeTop Claret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:52 amI wonder how many of the quids in brigade reside in East Lancashire were we have seen little sunshine this summer?
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Just been looking at tariffs for people to fix into for the next 12 months.
Electric is now around 70p per KWH.
Based on people around me and on my WhatsApp.
The average house will be paying £3,500 for electric next year.
Around £600 per month for both gas and electric.
Bonkers
Electric is now around 70p per KWH.
Based on people around me and on my WhatsApp.
The average house will be paying £3,500 for electric next year.
Around £600 per month for both gas and electric.
Bonkers
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To get back to your OP. The screen shots you’ve used, are they standard with smart meters or just how Octopus do it? Plenty of info there for nerds like me.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:50 pmJust been looking at tariffs for people to fix into for the next 12 months.
Electric is now around 70p per KWH.
Based on people around me and on my WhatsApp.
The average house will be paying £3,500 for electric next year.
Around £600 per month for both gas and electric.
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I wondered that. I just get my daily, weekly, monthly, annual figures from my invert or to keep an eye on how we're doing and it's looking like record figures down here in Staffs so far.
I send a quarterly reading to Good Energy who then pay me what I've exported.
I send a quarterly reading to Good Energy who then pay me what I've exported.
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To be fair not sure.Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:44 pmTo get back to your OP. The screen shots you’ve used, are they standard with smart meters or just how Octopus do it? Plenty of info there for nerds like me.
The app is from the inverter manufacturer and to be fair in 2022 it’s sh1t.
It’s well behind what’s happening in real time and whilst it looks like it showing a dynamic view. It’s a snap shot of 5 minutes before.
So live is not live.
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Where has this £600 per month figure been plucked from?Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:50 pmJust been looking at tariffs for people to fix into for the next 12 months.
Electric is now around 70p per KWH.
Based on people around me and on my WhatsApp.
The average house will be paying £3,500 for electric next year.
Around £600 per month for both gas and electric.
Bonkers
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Most of the fixed rate sites quotes are very high now. I looked at Octopus energy who I am with the other day and this was the quote to fix for a year. Other sites were even more expensive.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:33 pmWhere has this £600 per month figure been plucked from?
Link to an article today about it
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills ... -deal.html
So the price cap will be raised in October but no one knows by how much, but it’s expected to be double the £1900 it is today.
Then rise again in January, again no idea by how much.
So the fixed rate deals are looking at the January price they predict and thinking it will be lower if you fix now.
Two weeks ago Octopus fixed rate was 51p per kWh for electric, it’s now 71p, hence my quote being £6,000 for the year.
It is really scary stuff for low income people.
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Apologies, got that slightly wrong. Was just trying to edit to correct it.
At 57p quote was £6,000 to fix my energy price a couple of weeks ago.
Now it’s 71p and it’s now £7,000 for year to fix the price for the year.
At 57p quote was £6,000 to fix my energy price a couple of weeks ago.
Now it’s 71p and it’s now £7,000 for year to fix the price for the year.
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26 days in and export tariff not set up yet by Octopus meaning I have missed out on about £100 of money I could/should have been paid for export.
The electric generated so far in August has been been split almost 50/50. I have used 50% of it and exported 50% of it.
I have used about £5 from the grid, that’s been mainly due to the electric shower drawing so much power it needs extra from the grid when it’s on.
The electric generated so far in August has been been split almost 50/50. I have used 50% of it and exported 50% of it.
I have used about £5 from the grid, that’s been mainly due to the electric shower drawing so much power it needs extra from the grid when it’s on.
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You can see it’s generated 660 kWh in the 26 days from this screen shot. 330 being used and 330 being exported for round figures.
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Here is the daily graph, you can see a couple of days where generation was slightly less than consumption. Green bar is generation, orange consumption.
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Importantly this graph shows the difference in this months usage of electric against other months.
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That is the estimate from the original research - use half, export half. Batteries might be very cost effective mow, given the price from the grid.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:36 am26 days in and export tariff not set up yet by Octopus meaning I have missed out on about £100 of money I could/should have been paid for export.
The electric generated so far in August has been been split almost 50/50. I have used 50% of it and exported 50% of it.
I have used about £5 from the grid, that’s been mainly due to the electric shower drawing so much power it needs extra from the grid when it’s on.
You have not lost your money. Just delayed! You have meter readings and dates. They can't just avoid connecting and paying.
There should be a review of export now! They pay us about 4p and sell it to us and everyone else for these new killer rates!
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Beware winter!Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:45 amImportantly this graph shows the difference in this months usage of electric against other months.
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Agreed, I am thinking 8 months of the year you make a profit.
2 months break even possibly.
2 months your paying for lots of energy.
But surely that has to be better than paying for electric for 12 months of the year.
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With you all the way, Lowbank. Enjoy.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:30 pmAgreed, I am thinking 8 months of the year you make a profit.
2 months break even possibly.
2 months your paying for lots of energy.
But surely that has to be better than paying for electric for 12 months of the year.
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Agreed, but you can go onto Octopus agile which pays way more. It changes every half hour and today it’s lowest was 43p and the highest was 74p per kWh.IanMcL wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:22 pmThat is the estimate from the original research - use half, export half. Batteries might be very cost effective mow, given the price from the grid.
You have not lost your money. Just delayed! You have meter readings and dates. They can't just avoid connecting and paying.
There should be a review of export now! They pay us about 4p and sell it to us and everyone else for these new killer rates!
And you can just sign up for export, you don’t need to buy energy from them.
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I just put this out there for people who read things like it’s not worth it in the north or your roof faces the wrong way.
Mine is in Burnley, it’s east west facing so not optimal.
But still worth the investment if people can afford to do it.
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How’s the winter been for energy generation lowbank if you don’t mind me asking
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No problem with anyone asking.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:58 pmHow’s the winter been for energy generation lowbank if you don’t mind me asking
I am learning all the time about how it works and new ways to save cash.
A friend of mine who had it installed in November is pushing the boundaries more than me.
A learning point which seems obvious now, as my house is in a dip it gets shaded by about 2pm. My friends house does not. His solar is doing double mine at this time of year. He is buzzing with his.
Obviously production is fairly low this time of year. But still some days are more than I expected.
My buddy had 8 kw of solar and 9.6kw of batteries fitted.
However my buddy found some new ways to save cash.
1. Using Octopus new feature where they give you points/cash for not using energy at peak times, he charged his batteries in early afternoon. Then used his batteries at peak times. Octopus paid him £30 in the first week.
2. He is looking at signing up to an EV Octopus tariff where he can charge them for 12p per kWh at night and then just use the batteries in the day. In winter time of course.
You can see the amount produced in Dec in the first graph.
You can see the drop off from Aug to Dec in the second.
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Basically.
6 months of the year it will produce double what I need.
2 months about break even.
4 months paying out to energy companies.
6 months of the year it will produce double what I need.
2 months about break even.
4 months paying out to energy companies.
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My system's in its 12th year, having paid for itself last year under the initial generous FIT deal so another thirteen years of tax free cash to come.
I've received over £1200 this year via the FIT system, a record, and, touch wood, absolutely no maintenance costs in all that time.
If you have any spare cash, it's an absolute no brainer.
I've received over £1200 this year via the FIT system, a record, and, touch wood, absolutely no maintenance costs in all that time.
If you have any spare cash, it's an absolute no brainer.
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I had mine fitted at the same time when the lunatics in govt at the time (I think it was Labour) couldn't do their sums. I get about 800 quid a year tax free back via the FIT and I'm currently paying out 130 quid a month for both elec and gas. It's not a bad deal for a 4 bed property. If you've got some spare cash it's the way to go for sure with energy prices going bonkers.evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:50 amMy system's in its 12th year, having paid for itself last year under the initial generous FIT deal so another thirteen years of tax free cash to come.
I've received over £1200 this year via the FIT system, a record, and, touch wood, absolutely no maintenance costs in all that time.
If you have any spare cash, it's an absolute no brainer.
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needn't go into the reasons but just moved house where we have a 6KW system and I was thinking of adding to it but that would mean I would lose the feed in tariff and fitting a battery would not be economical at the moment and that advice came for the guy selling and installing batteries but I have an additional gizmo which diverts any solar energy not being used in the home to heat the water via the immersion heater and even yesterday as were my panels provided 4.6kw of energy to heat the hot water thus saving on gas
as others have said even now with no feed in tariff you will be quids in puttting as much as you can afford on the roof reducing you electricity use.
I had a 4kw system in my previous home from 2013 and our electricity consumption fell from 6000kw/year to 2500kw/year but you need to be sensible.We never had dishwasher and washing machine on at the same time and always ran them in summer after 10am and before 4pm
we more than got back the £8.5k we paid for the installation by the time I left and the present system is even better as although the feed in tariff is less we generate over 50% more electricity and so are paid more than I got from my 4kw 2013 installation.
as others have said even now with no feed in tariff you will be quids in puttting as much as you can afford on the roof reducing you electricity use.
I had a 4kw system in my previous home from 2013 and our electricity consumption fell from 6000kw/year to 2500kw/year but you need to be sensible.We never had dishwasher and washing machine on at the same time and always ran them in summer after 10am and before 4pm
we more than got back the £8.5k we paid for the installation by the time I left and the present system is even better as although the feed in tariff is less we generate over 50% more electricity and so are paid more than I got from my 4kw 2013 installation.
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The battery debate is a hot one at the moment between some of my friends.mdd2 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:04 amneedn't go into the reasons but just moved house where we have a 6KW system and I was thinking of adding to it but that would mean I would lose the feed in tariff and fitting a battery would not be economical at the moment and that advice came for the guy selling and installing batteries but I have an additional gizmo which diverts any solar energy not being used in the home to heat the water via the immersion heater and even yesterday as were my panels provided 4.6kw of energy to heat the hot water thus saving on gas
as others have said even now with no feed in tariff you will be quids in puttting as much as you can afford on the roof reducing you electricity use.
I had a 4kw system in my previous home from 2013 and our electricity consumption fell from 6000kw/year to 2500kw/year but you need to be sensible.We never had dishwasher and washing machine on at the same time and always ran them in summer after 10am and before 4pm
we more than got back the £8.5k we paid for the installation by the time I left and the present system is even better as although the feed in tariff is less we generate over 50% more electricity and so are paid more than I got from my 4kw 2013 installation.
I bought 4.8kw, my friend bought 9.6kw
That’s giving my friend better options, octopus do an EV tariff where you can charge overnight at 12p per kWh and then use that power through the day. My batteries are not big enough as you can see from the charts I use over 10kwh per day.
But in August they were fully charged by 11am and lasted through the night, which meant no power or very minimal was drawn from the grid in August.
People have said they get around 50p per kWh under FiT.
The best fixed export tariff is Octopus with 15p per kWh, the agile is normally higher but that changes every half an hour, but vary massively with gas prices. I have seen it as high as 70p and and as low as 7p per kWh.
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12th of December renewables, wind and solar provided 2% of our energy use.
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That is an issue, I think we all agree.
Today wind is providing 40%. But that’s the issue, all renewables are variable.
However the more you have, the less reliant we become on fossil fuels. Can we eliminate them, probably not for 30-40 years.
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So for a novice with a south facing roof where do you begin. Clueless at what to go for. Reading this thread batteries appear to be a good addition. Do you just look at firms advertising the whole thing, then rely on their expertise to guide you. It’s all a bit of a minefield to me. Any advice where to start will be gratefully received. Not sure if it’s relevant, If it helps it’s four people in the house, two are young children. Thanks.
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The firm Good Energy have quite a lot of information under their "Solar Power" section of their website.
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I rang three firms, two did quotes via google earth. SWS northwest came round, did a survey and sent me a 29 page report. All no cost or obligation.beddie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:37 pmSo for a novice with a south facing roof where do you begin. Clueless at what to go for. Reading this thread batteries appear to be a good addition. Do you just look at firms advertising the whole thing, then rely on their expertise to guide you. It’s all a bit of a minefield to me. Any advice where to start will be gratefully received. Not sure if it’s relevant, If it helps it’s four people in the house, two are young children. Thanks.
The fitters who came said they had worked for the companies that did google quotes and very often they could not fit the amount of panels the company had quoted.
South facing roofs are the best, mine is east west.
Start by getting some quotes, I would get 3, prices do vary.
Work on approx prices of.
Panels are £250 each. They are mainly 400w each, so a 10 panels set up is 4 kWh.
£3,500 for inverter and scaffolding and install.
Batteries £1,300-£1,400 each.
Batteries can be added later but installs are zero vat. If you add later you will pay vat.
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Thanks lowbank would one battery be enough with a 4kw system and how long does the charged battery hold energy for( indefinitely?) if not used in your daily energy use?
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Based on your south facing, any system you fit will provide more energy than mine, even though it’s bigger.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:17 pmThanks lowbank would one battery be enough with a 4kw system and how long does the charged battery hold energy for( indefinitely?) if not used in your daily energy use?
Batteries do discharge in time but it’s not relevant with these systems.
The reason , as soon as the sun goes down your going to be drawing electric fro your batteries.
Without knowing your lifestyle it’s hard to say.
We have two which is 4.8kwh and in the summer we use 2/3 rds of that each night as my missus stays up till 2am . A 3.2 kWh Battery like my friend got 3 off might be ok. They are around £1,400.
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Thanks Lowbankclaret for the info, I need to start doing the research, it’s actually for my son and his family. It’s really good reading your updates. Oh and thank you evensteadiereddie, I’ll look at the site you recommended.
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Had my system fitted in September. Got a South facing roof and even though they quoted for 10 panels (using Google Earth) they could only fit 8 on my roof on installation day. 4KW panels, 3.6KW inverter and 2 x 2.6KW batteries. I am on Octopus Go so what I generally do is set the grid to force charge my batteries overnight at the cheap rate for a couple of hours. That then generally, including what my panels produce, run the house for most of the day. Any washing machine, dryer or dishwasher use is done overnight at the cheap rate from the grid. Now I’ve had it for a few months I wish I would have put more panels on my extension roof (also South facing) and got bigger batteries because even in these darker months sometimes I am sending energy back to the grid for free which I am going to have to do a bit more homework on because I would then lose my cheap overnight tariff to go onto the export tariff which pays me only 4.1p/KWH so it’s a balancing act. I know come the summer I will be throwing loads of energy back to the grid. For me if you have the money spare get panels fitted. With batteries it all depends on personal circumstances because if the house is empty during the day it’s pointless having a solar panel system and not having batteries IMO
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Has anyone got any experience or detailed knowledge on battery fade ?
Most battery warranties are 10yrs but as I understand it this means that they won’t drop below x% usable charge in that time (eg x=60) and factors I’ve seen are 1. temperature (high-bad, low-good) and 2. no of total discharges.
I’m asking in the hope of getting tips on minimising fade based on battery positioning and subsequent patterns of use (and any other significant factors? )
Most battery warranties are 10yrs but as I understand it this means that they won’t drop below x% usable charge in that time (eg x=60) and factors I’ve seen are 1. temperature (high-bad, low-good) and 2. no of total discharges.
I’m asking in the hope of getting tips on minimising fade based on battery positioning and subsequent patterns of use (and any other significant factors? )
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I agree with you, I could have fitted 4 more on my garage roof attached to the house. And I should have had at least one more battery fitted.Leyland Claret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:13 amHad my system fitted in September. Got a South facing roof and even though they quoted for 10 panels (using Google Earth) they could only fit 8 on my roof on installation day. 4KW panels, 3.6KW inverter and 2 x 2.6KW batteries. I am on Octopus Go so what I generally do is set the grid to force charge my batteries overnight at the cheap rate for a couple of hours. That then generally, including what my panels produce, run the house for most of the day. Any washing machine, dryer or dishwasher use is done overnight at the cheap rate from the grid. Now I’ve had it for a few months I wish I would have put more panels on my extension roof (also South facing) and got bigger batteries because even in these darker months sometimes I am sending energy back to the grid for free which I am going to have to do a bit more homework on because I would then lose my cheap overnight tariff to go onto the export tariff which pays me only 4.1p/KWH so it’s a balancing act. I know come the summer I will be throwing loads of energy back to the grid. For me if you have the money spare get panels fitted. With batteries it all depends on personal circumstances because if the house is empty during the day it’s pointless having a solar panel system and not having batteries IMO
Have you researched outgoing octopus?? The export rate is separate from your import bill. You don’t even need to be an import Octopus customer to sign up to the export rates. Standard export is 15p per kWh and agile varies every half an hour. The rates are higher generally when solar is exporting, late afternoon and tea time.
Todays agile rates.
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There is a variety of panels. Some perform better than others. Worth having a read. All sales people tell you theirs are the best!
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Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:45 pmI agree with you, I could have fitted 4 more on my garage roof attached to the house. And I should have had at least one more battery fitted.
Have you researched outgoing octopus?? The export rate is separate from your import bill. You don’t even need to be an import Octopus customer to sign up to the export rates. Standard export is 15p per kWh and agile varies every half an hour. The rates are higher generally when solar is exporting, late afternoon and tea time.
Todays agile rates.
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Due to me being in the Octopus Go tariff I can’t be on the Outgoing Octopus as well. I signed up for Octopus Go because I have an EV and it gave me 4 hours of cheap overnight charging. I can charge my car up at work for free at the moment but I’m sure that’s going to change shortly.
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I didn’t know that, thanks for the info.Leyland Claret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:04 amDue to me being in the Octopus Go tariff I can’t be on the Outgoing Octopus as well. I signed up for Octopus Go because I have an EV and it gave me 4 hours of cheap overnight charging. I can charge my car up at work for free at the moment but I’m sure that’s going to change shortly.
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Yes it would be good to know which ones people are using.
How is the heat pump going Ian ? All good? Just like a combi boiler? Would be a massive saving for you at the moment if it’s just electric powered
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Sadly not going at all. I was in Cyprus before Christmas and after the cold snap, it rained heavily, in my house, thanks to burst pipe. Electric vacuum on but no heating and no heating engineers until New Year!Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:24 pmYes it would be good to know which ones people are using.
How is the heat pump going Ian ? All good? Just like a combi boiler? Would be a massive saving for you at the moment if it’s just electric powered
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Nightmare hope it gets sorted soon , worst time for anything to go wrong
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Sorry to hear that.
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Thanks. Appreciated.
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Anyone suggest firms who services the solar panels? Preferably local to Burnley. A colleague's relative usually has them done annually but the firm has gone under she believes
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Good thread, makes interesting reading.
I have an EV and a south facing roof.
Been thinking for a while about solar/batteries/heat pump etc.
Thanks for sharing.
I have an EV and a south facing roof.
Been thinking for a while about solar/batteries/heat pump etc.
Thanks for sharing.
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