I think roberts has been one of our better performers first halfRickyBobby wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:55 pmBastian playing like he did in the first half against Luton, no midfield, we really miss cork. I hope Lowton comes back into this side as Roberts is all over the place.
We are in desperate need of another striker as well if that wasn’t already obvious and it seems like City have had our pants down with Muric. Going to be a long season looking at this side. We have now gone too far in the other direction, we lack experience and boy does it show.
Watford V Burnley Match Thread
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Watching it with my other half, she hasn't seen a ton of Burnley games but has watched a few matches, prefers women's football. Her comments are illuminating in that she thinks we've looked utterly aimless and lost on the pitch, positionally confused and like we have less players.
Can't disagree, don't see anything in any penalty shouts and think we've looked toothless and defensively error prone.
Muric is dreadful, Maatsen having a ropey game at the back, Barnes toothless, Bastien looks horribly out of position, we've been way too slow to get it to players at times especially Benson (though he looks lost in possession) and I wouldn't know Costelloe was on.
Need some big changes at half time, this was looking like a poor 0-0 but with us gifting Watford opportunities. Now it's looking worse.
Can't disagree, don't see anything in any penalty shouts and think we've looked toothless and defensively error prone.
Muric is dreadful, Maatsen having a ropey game at the back, Barnes toothless, Bastien looks horribly out of position, we've been way too slow to get it to players at times especially Benson (though he looks lost in possession) and I wouldn't know Costelloe was on.
Need some big changes at half time, this was looking like a poor 0-0 but with us gifting Watford opportunities. Now it's looking worse.
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Taylor hasn't done a lot wrong there.There are numerous other players at fault for that goal. Taylor was solid. It's our absolute lack of threat at the other end that is the main concern.
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Excellent post asking for patience.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:56 pmReally good test for our new young players - this is the top of the Championship in all its, well, whatever it is. Physical, cynical, quick - can our guys prevail in the kind of maelstrom these games create?
My view - not yet, but in a few weeks or months, they will.
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Look to move the ball forward more , this looking to go back first is not effective .
More to come from this Burnley side over the season but it would be good to get a good second half.
More to come from this Burnley side over the season but it would be good to get a good second half.
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Seems to he a lot of passing from us but nowhere near anything dangerous. Very similar to first half at Turf Moor.
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Absolutely this.Hibsclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:56 pmMaatsen is everywhere tbh. Bit harsh blaming him for the goal tbh.
Not wanting to be too harsh on Costelloe but he’s giving Maatsen nothing to work with.
Need Vitinho and J Rod on asap.
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We didn't. We do need a striker that is not Ashley Barnes for sure, but it doesn't mean we aren't playing well.
This is pretty much the Watford team that came down. We have had a complete rebuild with younger players and this is only their 3rd competitive game together. A striker (or two) and we will be a very good team. We are matching them in every way.
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Sounds like the honeymoon is nearing its end
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Watford look the stronger side and we have no cutting edge nor creativity in the final 3rd
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A lack of a striker hasn't been our problem in that half, the system VK plays requires a lot of intensity and it just hasn't been there first half.
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Moving the ball too slow. Sorry but Costelloe is far from the answer to our championship hopes. Had a half decent start against Huddersfield, who, are crap. Since then got worse.
Jay for Barnes
Vitinho for Costelloe
Tella for Bastien
Muric
CR THB CT IM
Cullen Brownhill
Benson Tella Vitinho
Jay
Jay for Barnes
Vitinho for Costelloe
Tella for Bastien
Muric
CR THB CT IM
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We’re gonna have nights like this, this is a new team, that needs time to gel. We need to give them a chance FFS
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We just don’t play with any tempo. Like watching walking football.
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Agree there was others at fault.burnleymik wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:58 pmTaylor hasn't done a lot wrong there.There are numerous other players at fault for that goal. Taylor was solid. It's our absolute lack of threat at the other end that is the main concern.
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Certainly keep supporting them and i reckon we'll go on the front foot second half .
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Cork coming on .... don't think that's the answer when you're 1-0 down ...
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Maybe because Watford will be up there challenging for promotion whereas Huddersfield on their performances so far battling against relegation. Watford are simply better opponents.
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2 teams that may well go up. But will very probably go back down. The only difference tonight between us is a clinical finish
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Yes that is a concern, we've had a lot of the ball, certainly prior to the drinks break anyway, but again not really offered a goal threat.
This is where we're missing a proper number 9 to worry teams, but it does appear we're working hard to rectify that issue.
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Barnes has not been the worst player
Benson Bastien Maatsen have all been awful
Ok if having pace but no good if final ball is dreadful
See what happens second half
Need some changes
Benson Bastien Maatsen have all been awful
Ok if having pace but no good if final ball is dreadful
See what happens second half
Need some changes
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It looked to me that Cleverly injured himself in his celebration
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Absolutely.
anyone who thinks our new squad isn't still under construction is deluded.
Watford haven't had to rebuild (yet), we are a work in progress.
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Cork on at last
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Lots of poor performances. Costelloe is having a mare. There have been runs off him and he has checked and played it safe. Worse than Dwight ever played. Bastien made two in the first twenty. Just needed round a corner ball.
Benson needs to toughen up. Can't be forced out of a game so easily. Ref not giving anything for Barnes even though he is being fouled. Zero point to playing him, refs are just anti-Barnes by default. Roberts keeps giving the ball away. I'd be bollocking them at half time. Watford are awful.
Ref is getting a low score. Two fouls on Benson which should have been a yellow. Missed pen. Foul on Taylor in build up to the goal.
Benson needs to toughen up. Can't be forced out of a game so easily. Ref not giving anything for Barnes even though he is being fouled. Zero point to playing him, refs are just anti-Barnes by default. Roberts keeps giving the ball away. I'd be bollocking them at half time. Watford are awful.
Ref is getting a low score. Two fouls on Benson which should have been a yellow. Missed pen. Foul on Taylor in build up to the goal.
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It’s part of the answer when you’ve little control in midfield.claretandy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:02 pmCork coming on .... don't think that's the answer when you're 1-0 down ...
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Not really sure what Bastien is offering. Looks a passenger so far.
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Would like to see Benson being a bit more adventurous. No problem losing the ball in trying to beat a full back in the final third but if he's just gonna roll it back to Roberts every time you might as well have kept Lennon. Never an easy ball to play it in behind the full back and it maybe comes off once a game.
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It's ok to criticise that half while supporting the project. Overall I'm excited by the prospect of this squad, but it will take time and we still need a striker.
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I thought we did OK
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Muric is dreadful? How did you reach that conclusion?spt_claret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:58 pmWatching it with my other half, she hasn't seen a ton of Burnley games but has watched a few matches, prefers women's football. Her comments are illuminating in that she thinks we've looked utterly aimless and lost on the pitch, positionally confused and like we have less players.
Can't disagree, don't see anything in any penalty shouts and think we've looked toothless and defensively error prone.
Muric is dreadful, Maatsen having a ropey game at the back, Barnes toothless, Bastien looks horribly out of position, we've been way too slow to get it to players at times especially Benson (though he looks lost in possession) and I wouldn't know Costelloe was on.
Need some big changes at half time, this was looking like a poor 0-0 but with us gifting Watford opportunities. Now it's looking worse.
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Really disappointed by Benson. Got a couple of kicks early and disappeared
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Cripes it wasn't that bad.
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Taylor was completely sold a raw deal by Maatsen being so far forward and Bellis going missing.burnleymik wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:58 pmTaylor hasn't done a lot wrong there.There are numerous other players at fault for that goal. Taylor was solid. It's our absolute lack of threat at the other end that is the main concern.
Taylor, Roberts and Brownhill are the only ones to emerge from that half with credit and for a reason.
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Maatsen jogging back for their goal. I think Cork would improve things greatly.expoultryboy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:54 pmMaatsen out of position for the goal and Costelleo is offering nothing .
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His positioning is atrocious. He's constantly flapping around, tracks the wrong way for the goal, he's sliced multiple passes to opposition forwards.
He's going to cost us far more goals than he will contribute with buildup. He is no Allison or Ederson.
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Unfortunately I think this game highlights our level.
Watford levels above us right now
Watford levels above us right now
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Levels? Pull the other one.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:07 pmUnfortunately I think this game highlights our level.
Watford levels above us right now
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This is now the team that should have started
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Bound to be games like this throughout the season, and this is most definitely our toughest test so far.
I did wonder what the reaction would be if things showed signs of going south, and now we have the answer.
Still 45 mins to turn this match around yet, so no need to press the panic button just yet.
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Best we bring back BPF then ,spt_claret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:07 pmHis positioning is atrocious. He's constantly flapping around, tracks the wrong way for the goal, he's sliced multiple passes to opposition forwards.
He's going to cost us far more goals than he will contribute with buildup. He is no Allison or Ederson.
Or Will Norris
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He should shore us up and steady our play, we've been loose in our own third at times. But we do need a couple more expansive or attacking swaps.claretandy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:02 pmCork coming on .... don't think that's the answer when you're 1-0 down ...
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What a ridiculous commentNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:07 pmUnfortunately I think this game highlights our level.
Watford levels above us right now
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I wouldn’t say people are pressing the panic button. The thing that worries me is that without signings up top we will struggle to score, and games are coming thick and fast.tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:08 pmBound to be games like this throughout the season, and this is most definitely our toughest test so far.
I did wonder what the reaction would be if things showed signs of going south, and now we have the answer.
Still 45 mins to turn this match around yet, so no need to press the panic button just yet.
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This is quite an eye opener. Barnes is so Isolated it's ridiculous. All the possession is utterly meaningless when the passing is so pedestrian. The pressing is none existent. We look utterly toothless. Mary Poppins would snarl at this
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How the hell did Sarr get a free kick for thst.
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Josh just pushed it a bit too far on his first touch.
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Why did Brownhill try to pass then? Go for goal!