Kompany costs us 2 points
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Kompany costs us 2 points
I am sorry but Kompany was to blame for us throwing away that game! Why on earth at 3-1 up do you take off a player who is on a hatrick and playing brilliantly!? Why on earth at 3-1 up do you bring on Barnes who has been useless this season and is clearly past it! I guarantee if we didn't make those changes we win that game! You could argue we played well enough to win every game so far this season but we have a serious problem at the minute when it comes to securing the win! I think we are a bit weak at the back as well. Taylor isn't a centre back for me. He lacks the physicality for that role, I presume he will be back to left back now for the next 3 games after maatsens lack of discipline! I feel we are a bit vulnerable to balls in the box and against physical strikers. We're crying out for a solid centre back and also a centre forward. Nothing wrong with Jay Rod at this level despite his age but there are no other options! Frustrating start to the season for me as we are playing some lovely stuff but there is clearly something missing!
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points
Pretty much agree.
Jay played really well today.
But agree the changes lost us the win.
Jay played really well today.
But agree the changes lost us the win.
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Yep, Vk got it wrong today. We completely lost our shape and setup with those changes and it took us a long time to recover, losing those 2 goals in the process. I am sure it's a mistake he will learn from.
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points
At this stage everyone is learning. And it looks like there will have been a lot of lessons learned from today.
It’s a process and will take time so patience is the key.
It’s a process and will take time so patience is the key.
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points
it's happening at the best time - window is still open and he is seeing we aren't strong enough up top or at CB - over to him and Pace to figure it out. Failure to address it will undermine all the good work they are doing
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We are not Man City
Our goalkeeper is a total liability when trying to play out from the back
We will not score goals whilst passing it sideways and backwards in our own half ( three goals from 3 positives movements shows our capabilities if encouraged more)
No need to take off Jay so early and bring on the muppet Barnes
Our goalkeeper is a total liability when trying to play out from the back
We will not score goals whilst passing it sideways and backwards in our own half ( three goals from 3 positives movements shows our capabilities if encouraged more)
No need to take off Jay so early and bring on the muppet Barnes
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points
He's learning like the rest of them, you could just as easily blame the other players for not making better angles - give it time
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Agree very naive management today.
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Awful management from Kompany as he never Heard of game management we literally gifted Blackpool the points. Blackpool were excellent 2nd half and thoroughly deserved a point if not 3, for that 2nd half performance.
We are naive and need to know when to put our foot through the ball instead trying to football our way out of trouble .
Bloody entertaining though and the atmosphere was amazing with the Fishwick stand bouncing. We never got atmosphere like that in the premier League, with no tourist fans insight, no mobile phones clicking pics and genuine proper fans
We are naive and need to know when to put our foot through the ball instead trying to football our way out of trouble .
Bloody entertaining though and the atmosphere was amazing with the Fishwick stand bouncing. We never got atmosphere like that in the premier League, with no tourist fans insight, no mobile phones clicking pics and genuine proper fans
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points
The substitution of Rodriguez was a key moment, in that respect I whole heartedly agree with the OP.
My bigger concern is that he is taking Jay off/looking after him due to his injuries and is trying to manage his fitness. It would be an absolute fallacy to not be trying to sign a striker when we only have a player who’s fitness is seemingly questionable, and Ashley Barnes.
Ashley is done I’m afraid, it weakens the team the second he arrives.
My bigger concern is that he is taking Jay off/looking after him due to his injuries and is trying to manage his fitness. It would be an absolute fallacy to not be trying to sign a striker when we only have a player who’s fitness is seemingly questionable, and Ashley Barnes.
Ashley is done I’m afraid, it weakens the team the second he arrives.
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points
Bonkers tactics at 3-1 up
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He probably placed too much trust in the players coming on.
Certainly, bringing on a debutant was probably a bad idea when Blackpool looked so dangerous and were playing more direct.
They were scared stiff of Tella, Rodriguez I know needed to be monitored.
Certainly, bringing on a debutant was probably a bad idea when Blackpool looked so dangerous and were playing more direct.
They were scared stiff of Tella, Rodriguez I know needed to be monitored.
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Don't agree with all the talk about the Rodriguez substitution it was right to take him off due to his fitness history.
Blackpool deserve credit for their substitutions that changed the game, the big lad they stuck up front frightened the deaf out of our porous defence
Blackpool deserve credit for their substitutions that changed the game, the big lad they stuck up front frightened the deaf out of our porous defence
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Blackpool sussed out how to play us in the second half. We need to figure out how to change our tactics once that happens.
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We didn't put a dodgy team to the sword second half as we really should have done and it cost us in the end. We were 3-1 up and coasting to a win and took the excellent Jayrod off for Barnes and things seemed to immediately change. Tbf to Kompany he probably thought the game was won and he was saving Jay's legs for another day, but it backfired and nobody will be more aware of that than him. Ultimately we have to defend better as we're rather too easy to score against imo and that meant Blackpool could always feel they were in with a chance, no matter what the score was.
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points
Jay is coming back from injury and with the game ‘safe’ it made sense to take him off with more important games to come
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In fairness to Kompany he got subs right in most games so far. And not sure he could have anticipated Barnes putting in that absolute joke of a performance.Top Claret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:54 pmAwful management from Kompany as he never Heard of game management we literally gifted Blackpool the points. Blackpool were excellent 2nd half and thoroughly deserved a point if not 3, for that 2nd half performance.
We are naive and need to know when to put our foot through the ball instead trying to football our way out of trouble .
Bloody entertaining though and the atmosphere was amazing with the Fishwick stand bouncing. We never got atmosphere like that in the premier League, with no tourist fans insight, no mobile phones clicking pics and genuine proper fans
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I thought we started the 2nd half really poorly, putting ourselves on the back foot looking to slow the game down. Changes needed to be made imo
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Yep way we approached 2nd half let them totally back in the game. They’d done nothing in first half. We should have seen that game out easily.
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Taking jay rod off was fair enough for the injury reason but anybody else but Barnes would have done!Top Claret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:14 pmDon't agree with all the talk about the Rodriguez substitution it was right to take him off due to his fitness history.
Blackpool deserve credit for their substitutions that changed the game, the big lad they stuck up front frightened the deaf out of our porous defence
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Yeah I understand taking him off but anybody except Barnes please!SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:29 pmJay is coming back from injury and with the game ‘safe’ it made sense to take him off with more important games to come
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Yeah fair point!Bornandbred92 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:39 pmYeah I understand taking him off but anybody except Barnes please!
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The fans cost us yes the keeper gave them the first goal but creating panic every time the keeper has the ball creates panic on the pitch
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When VK is considered such a good coach and tactitioner, I am absolutely amazed that after 5 games, four teams have totally sussed us out
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points
"The main thing for me is there's always spaces. I look at only spaces.
In these situations if you can hit the right spaces, sometimes it's a longer pass - not everything has to be short - but if you find the right spaces, it's an incredible way to get a very high quality chance because it's the one moment you can get a team a little bit away from their deeper block.
We've made good use of it so far this season but in this game when it went wrong, we got punished.
But we weren't able to recognise how the game shifted in dynamics and normally with a bit more experience in these situations you recognise it and diffuse it at source.
It was simple things. You do have to build some patience in your game, then once you manage to find the spaces and the free man, you have to have the intent and intensity to go forward and attack. That is everything we did in the first half and everything we didn't in the second."
very fair imho
In these situations if you can hit the right spaces, sometimes it's a longer pass - not everything has to be short - but if you find the right spaces, it's an incredible way to get a very high quality chance because it's the one moment you can get a team a little bit away from their deeper block.
We've made good use of it so far this season but in this game when it went wrong, we got punished.
But we weren't able to recognise how the game shifted in dynamics and normally with a bit more experience in these situations you recognise it and diffuse it at source.
It was simple things. You do have to build some patience in your game, then once you manage to find the spaces and the free man, you have to have the intent and intensity to go forward and attack. That is everything we did in the first half and everything we didn't in the second."
very fair imho
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At this level, if we scored three goals under Dyche, then you knew we'd win the game.
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Not sure how that equates to two tap-ins from what looked like about a yard (from the top of the JMU - they probably weren't quite that close but the point stands).Longsidejono wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:45 pmThe fans cost us yes the keeper gave them the first goal but creating panic every time the keeper has the ball creates panic on the pitch
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Exactly.fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:16 pmAt this level, if we scored three goals under Dyche, then you knew we'd win the game.
Not a cat in hells chance would a Dyche side surrender a 2 goal lead to Blackpool or any other team in the championship
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experienced players though, huge differencefidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:16 pmAt this level, if we scored three goals under Dyche, then you knew we'd win the game.
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That's utter rubbish! Poor defending cost us the 2nd and 3rd goals.Longsidejono wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:45 pmThe fans cost us yes the keeper gave them the first goal but creating panic every time the keeper has the ball creates panic on the pitch
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There’s a lot of “missing your ex” vibes on the board tonight. Very early days, new philosophy, new players. They’ll learn, we have to be patient
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I know it's a new team and all that, but there were plenty of experienced players on the pitch that should have been capable of seeing the game out.
As with most things though, the buck stops with the manager.
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Taking Jay off so early was crazy. With Barnes up there we had no outlet whatsoever. He's been a good servant for us but it's painful watching him now.
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100% - soft, soft goals conceded. We played so well at times. I thought today was the day we battered someone. Roll on WiganDark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:27 pmUltimately we have to defend better as we're rather too easy to score against imo and that meant Blackpool could always feel they were in with a chance, no matter what the score was.
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Pace needs to approach dyche with a offer involving a cashpot dependant on promotion then part ways when,/if that was to happen.Top Claret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:21 pmExactly.
Not a cat in hells chance would a Dyche side surrender a 2 goal lead to Blackpool or any other team in the championship
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??Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:31 pmPace needs to approach dyche with a offer involving a cashpot dependant on promotion then part ways when,/if that was to happen.
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I have zero concerns at the moment, very much work in progress. It'll come good, first half was superb and I thought we'd score 4 or 5 today. Fell apart second half and his lack of options up top didn't help. Your experienced striker did nothing but fall over as usual. Needs to be addressed in the window or we wont be anywhere near promotion imhofidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:29 pmI know it's a new team and all that, but there were plenty of experienced players on the pitch that should have been capable of seeing the game out.
As with most things though, the buck stops with the manager.
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Jeez you make some horrific posts on almost every thread every day but this might top the lot.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:31 pmPace needs to approach dyche with a offer involving a cashpot dependant on promotion then part ways when,/if that was to happen.
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Wow!Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:31 pmPace needs to approach dyche with a offer involving a cashpot dependant on promotion then part ways when,/if that was to happen.
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Please tell me that’s a joke. Fans talk about patience and overhauls and welcoming a new approach. Then within relative seconds they start to turn. See the bigger picture ffs, what he’s trying to do is really difficult. He needs a whole season at least to get this (very new) squad playing consistent and effective football. Including the learning curve he’ll go on himself of course.
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Jakubs crackers.
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over 20K on today - we wouldn't have sold anywhere near the number of season tickets with Dyche in charge, you only have to look at the dwindling attendances last season to see that thousands of people completely disagree with youJakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:41 pmHe's got the track record of getting promotion out of this division if that's the serious intention, why not? Build bridges with the man.
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If you read my comments on the other threads about Barnes, then you'll know what I think about his contributions to the team nowadays.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:38 pmI have zero concerns at the moment, very much work in progress. It'll come good, first half was superb and I thought we'd score 4 or 5 today. Fell apart second half and his lack of options up top didn't help. Your experienced striker did nothing but fall over as usual. Needs to be addressed in the window or we wont be anywhere near promotion imho
You seem to be contradicting yourself in that you say you have zero concerns, but then point out what needs addressing.
I have several concerns at present, although they're only what others are also saying.
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