Your assessment of the transfer window (incomings)
Your assessment of the transfer window (incomings)
Keeping it off the transfers thread in case of last minute movement but what's your assessment of the incoming business we've done?
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Excellent business all around it. A lot of potential resale value in the future too. Good to see us utilising the loan market well too.
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We **** this league and most of them will be worth double we paid for them if not more
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got headache!
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Early to properly assess - it’ll take a few more months to get a truer picture. From what I’ve seen so far though, almost top marks from me, very pleased.
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Videos been incredible
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Nothing short of incredible
I mean, it had to be considering the amount who have left, but again, the turnover in players, the completely new style (in all areas of the club) and a brand new manager and its been amazing
I just hope that what we've seen so far on the pitch is only the start
I mean, it had to be considering the amount who have left, but again, the turnover in players, the completely new style (in all areas of the club) and a brand new manager and its been amazing
I just hope that what we've seen so far on the pitch is only the start
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Thank you Alan Pace
Thanks for a fantastic transfer window UTC
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9.5/10 for me. If I’m being greedy I wanted Obafemi to provide a different option (and goal scoring) up top, but I think overall it couldn’t have gone much better.
We’ve made smart investments for now and the future, looked for good value (players like Cullen, Benson and Bastien entering final years of their contracts), been aggressive when needs be to beat rivals (Twine for example) and used the loan market very effectively, to give us enough quality to push for autos this season. We’ve also held onto Brownhill, who I think is key this season.
Biggest signing of the summer, however, has to be Kompany himself.
We’ve made smart investments for now and the future, looked for good value (players like Cullen, Benson and Bastien entering final years of their contracts), been aggressive when needs be to beat rivals (Twine for example) and used the loan market very effectively, to give us enough quality to push for autos this season. We’ve also held onto Brownhill, who I think is key this season.
Biggest signing of the summer, however, has to be Kompany himself.
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Far better than I anticipated, although nagging doubts remain over whether some of the signings will adjust to the physical demands of the Championship, and it's been a whirlwind of a window that's for sure.
However Kompany appears to have used his connections wisely, and he's clearly been a huge selling point in getting players to commit to this project.
Definitely pleased that we're prioritising youth, that has to be the way for us to operate going forwards.
However Kompany appears to have used his connections wisely, and he's clearly been a huge selling point in getting players to commit to this project.
Definitely pleased that we're prioritising youth, that has to be the way for us to operate going forwards.
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Incredible window and the team is looking excellent. Hopefully they’ll keep improving. UTC.
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Not bad. I think we've sold some outstanding, Premier League players for a bit less than we really ought to have received, and replaced them with players who are generally inferior now and probably have a lower ceiling (Benson for McNeil, McNally for Collins, etc.). If we are honest, our promotion chances this season predominantly rest on players who were already here (Jay, Cork, Brownhill) and loans. If we don't go up this season another big rebuild awaits next summer, with a lot less money and room to manoeuvre.
But if you accept that the finances probably made that sort of equation an inevitability, I suspect we've probably done as well as can be expected. We've made ourselves a reasonable each way bet for promotion this season and you can see how the players we've brought in may provide us with the quality to keep us reasonably competitive and potentially an income stream in the medium term. There's still a bit of a danger that by fudging the promotion/fire-sale equation we've neither done enough to ensure promotion, nor to ensure we're able to pay our debts next summer - but for all that I think Kompany and his team deserve credit for the balancing act they've pulled off. That they've seemingly done better still on the training ground in gelling a coherent team out of such disparate parts so quickly is even more creditable and is the real story of the summer for me.
But if you accept that the finances probably made that sort of equation an inevitability, I suspect we've probably done as well as can be expected. We've made ourselves a reasonable each way bet for promotion this season and you can see how the players we've brought in may provide us with the quality to keep us reasonably competitive and potentially an income stream in the medium term. There's still a bit of a danger that by fudging the promotion/fire-sale equation we've neither done enough to ensure promotion, nor to ensure we're able to pay our debts next summer - but for all that I think Kompany and his team deserve credit for the balancing act they've pulled off. That they've seemingly done better still on the training ground in gelling a coherent team out of such disparate parts so quickly is even more creditable and is the real story of the summer for me.
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Stunning! I love watching a business model come together in spite of all the warblers on here dissing it
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There remain some very real concerns - to be completely fair though if we are ready to criticise, we must also be willing to show appreciation when it’s earned.
Hats off to Pace, Kompany and all involved, it looks like we’ve done some great work.
Hats off to Pace, Kompany and all involved, it looks like we’ve done some great work.
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It’s too early to judge, but the signs are very, very promising.
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Absolutely fantastic transfer window 10/10
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Are we thanking him for selling players and spending part of it for bringing in new ones or are we thanking Vincent Kompany for wrestling the recruitment from him and choosing the players?
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the deal model to buy the club is outrageous, but it's done. Not Pace's fault - he was allowed to do it and welcomed by the club's owners to be the buyer.
Having bought it I don't think he's put a foot wrong. He's structuring the means to payoff the funding of the purchase and getting the athletes in the building to both gain promotion and allow us to sell on at great margins, which, in itself, says to other youngsters - "go to Burnley if you want to progress"
Outstanding work this window, and to date
Having bought it I don't think he's put a foot wrong. He's structuring the means to payoff the funding of the purchase and getting the athletes in the building to both gain promotion and allow us to sell on at great margins, which, in itself, says to other youngsters - "go to Burnley if you want to progress"
Outstanding work this window, and to date
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Exciting but only time will tell how good the window has been
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Superb window.
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Very promising but early days.
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We’re probably short of an out and out striker but it’s been a great window. Roll on January.
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At the risk of being accused of being weird, "not understanding fings init sniff", boring and over 55 I'll throw in some caveats just to play devil's advocate:
1) Cullen and the loanees Maatson, THB and Tella are clearly players you would guess could play in the PL albeit none of them actually do.
2) As it stands only one of the other permanent signings would get into the starting 11 (Muric).
3) There is very little market in the championship so unless we can sell permanent players to PL clubs then we won't get inflated fees.
4) We've sold getting on for £70 million pounds worth of talent during this window and spent something less than £20 million so far
5) We haven't seen the new players but as yet we are very reliant on two 33 year olds: Jay Rod and Cork.
6) if we do go up to the PL we are likely going to have to replace half the team without the help of the £70 million quid's worth of playing talent we have sold this summer.
Aside from the above, far better than expected and thank goodness for VK who seems to know what he is doing albeit with 10 of the first 11 that you could argue convincingly are PL quality.
1) Cullen and the loanees Maatson, THB and Tella are clearly players you would guess could play in the PL albeit none of them actually do.
2) As it stands only one of the other permanent signings would get into the starting 11 (Muric).
3) There is very little market in the championship so unless we can sell permanent players to PL clubs then we won't get inflated fees.
4) We've sold getting on for £70 million pounds worth of talent during this window and spent something less than £20 million so far
5) We haven't seen the new players but as yet we are very reliant on two 33 year olds: Jay Rod and Cork.
6) if we do go up to the PL we are likely going to have to replace half the team without the help of the £70 million quid's worth of playing talent we have sold this summer.
Aside from the above, far better than expected and thank goodness for VK who seems to know what he is doing albeit with 10 of the first 11 that you could argue convincingly are PL quality.
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An unprecedented turnover of playing staff. 16 senior squad players added in one window (at the time of writing). We have so many players that we are yet to see and know little about but what we have seen looks very good and coherent. We have moved quickly and decisively without too much being played out in the media or feeling like we've been strung along.
There are loads of positives, almost too many to mention, and the truth is it will probably take time to properly assess what we have. The only things that maybe surprise me are: 1) are we a bit lopsided in terms of attackers vs defenders - even our defenders have attacking instincts; and 2) did we need to sign so many? Would we have been better with a smaller number of our (higher quality) first choices and utilised our younger players for backup? That said, it's a weird season with the World Cup and squad depth will be a factor this season more than most. We have maybe hedged our bets in terms of getting numbers in but there is an absolute commitment to the playing style in the recruitment.
Putting aside the Club's financial situation, the recruitment looks to be very impressive and the pull of Kompany has been a constant. Just as I thought I was getting to know the team
There are loads of positives, almost too many to mention, and the truth is it will probably take time to properly assess what we have. The only things that maybe surprise me are: 1) are we a bit lopsided in terms of attackers vs defenders - even our defenders have attacking instincts; and 2) did we need to sign so many? Would we have been better with a smaller number of our (higher quality) first choices and utilised our younger players for backup? That said, it's a weird season with the World Cup and squad depth will be a factor this season more than most. We have maybe hedged our bets in terms of getting numbers in but there is an absolute commitment to the playing style in the recruitment.
Putting aside the Club's financial situation, the recruitment looks to be very impressive and the pull of Kompany has been a constant. Just as I thought I was getting to know the team
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It's been great to see a clear shift in attitude towards a transfer window.
There's been no messing about dragging our heels waiting for a response from a player/club, we've had multiple options ongoing and we haven't been scrabbling around to get stuff done late on.
So far it's all been sounding/looking promising with the ones who've arrived and played.
The season is definitely one to look forward too, any sense of dread has been blown away with this rebuild.
There's been no messing about dragging our heels waiting for a response from a player/club, we've had multiple options ongoing and we haven't been scrabbling around to get stuff done late on.
So far it's all been sounding/looking promising with the ones who've arrived and played.
The season is definitely one to look forward too, any sense of dread has been blown away with this rebuild.
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Come on CT let's not put a downer on things. As a CLUB which includes us supporters as much as the staff, it been a massive turn around and we could never have believed this quick of a change since the previous fantastic 10 years, including a complete change of players and philosophy in 1 window. Well done all I say.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:01 pmAre we thanking him for selling players and spending part of it for bringing in new ones or are we thanking Vincent Kompany for wrestling the recruitment from him and choosing the players?
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Thanking him for making a superb signing in Vincent Kompany who in turn has helped give us this window with his backing.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:01 pmAre we thanking him for selling players and spending part of it for bringing in new ones or are we thanking Vincent Kompany for wrestling the recruitment from him and choosing the players?
Much better situation than some frequent posters on here suggested post relegation that we would be signing loans and frees.
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So VK took the job under the pretense that Pace would be signing the players then “wrestled the recruitment from him” ??? Doesn’t sound very plausible. Highly doubt he’d have taken the job in the first place if he knew he wasn’t going to have control over transfers.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:01 pmAre we thanking him for selling players and spending part of it for bringing in new ones or are we thanking Vincent Kompany for wrestling the recruitment from him and choosing the players?
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That's basically it, impossible to tell. Though I would say the early signs are more encouraging than I was expectingClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:02 pmExciting but only time will tell how good the window has been
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Excellent some superb recruitment and the future looks very rosy
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Exciting window, built a squad in one window, something we haven't been able to do for 3 or 4 years because we were told the players weren't there.
Can see a few of the loans turning into permanent signings, also think we have one eye on Wout returning next season if promoted unless we get a crazy fee from Besiktas.
We have a lot of exciting options now and because of the numbers we will be able to swap and change them when needed
Can see a few of the loans turning into permanent signings, also think we have one eye on Wout returning next season if promoted unless we get a crazy fee from Besiktas.
We have a lot of exciting options now and because of the numbers we will be able to swap and change them when needed
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Surely Pace deserves credit for appointing Kompany?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:01 pmAre we thanking him for selling players and spending part of it for bringing in new ones or are we thanking Vincent Kompany for wrestling the recruitment from him and choosing the players?
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Amazing window. 10/10 for me.
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Very good window only disappointment is that VK didn’t get his preferred two targets the CH from Metz and a striker.
If he had IMO we would have been certs for promotion but still look a very good bet.
If he had IMO we would have been certs for promotion but still look a very good bet.
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Mass incomings, most for a 7 figure sum rather than frees etc. a decent amount reinvested.
Many nationalities.
Most are fast and good on the ball.
All 26 or under.
Bedded in seamlessly on and off the pitch as far as we can tell.
Currently 2 points off top. Games are exciting.
Brilliant signing videos.
We don’t appear to be any worse than last year (may be an illusion) - Tella vs McNeil etc. Tarky and Pope great but may have struggled with this style.
Considering all the above I would give it 9.5/10, a superb effort and I don’t really care who made the decisions. We can’t really judge incomings without judging the outgoings (which financed them) in the round, but given the need to pay down debt and the propensity for injury to Cornet and Mee, and the lack of form of Dwight and Wood, I would say on the whole the rebuild of the club has been a huge success. Now we have a chance. A great chance, but just a chance, and if it goes well it may be that THIS is the golden era, not what went before.
I didn't think there was a chance of that.
Many nationalities.
Most are fast and good on the ball.
All 26 or under.
Bedded in seamlessly on and off the pitch as far as we can tell.
Currently 2 points off top. Games are exciting.
Brilliant signing videos.
We don’t appear to be any worse than last year (may be an illusion) - Tella vs McNeil etc. Tarky and Pope great but may have struggled with this style.
Considering all the above I would give it 9.5/10, a superb effort and I don’t really care who made the decisions. We can’t really judge incomings without judging the outgoings (which financed them) in the round, but given the need to pay down debt and the propensity for injury to Cornet and Mee, and the lack of form of Dwight and Wood, I would say on the whole the rebuild of the club has been a huge success. Now we have a chance. A great chance, but just a chance, and if it goes well it may be that THIS is the golden era, not what went before.
I didn't think there was a chance of that.
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We can only look at where we are and how things have turned out but if ALK hadn't taken over where would we have been now?
Same owners, same manager and probably still in the Championship.
Cash rich but could we have facilitated the complete rebuild required? We may have had a stronger hand in the transfer market as regards player sales but might not have had Collins, Cornet and Weghorst to sell anyway.
On to the transfer window.
I was seriously despondent after the Newcastle game, thought that was it and we were fooked. In a very difficult situation we couldn't have been any better off at the close of the window imo. This has been the most exciting summer in years if ever.
10/10 in the circumstances.
Same owners, same manager and probably still in the Championship.
Cash rich but could we have facilitated the complete rebuild required? We may have had a stronger hand in the transfer market as regards player sales but might not have had Collins, Cornet and Weghorst to sell anyway.
On to the transfer window.
I was seriously despondent after the Newcastle game, thought that was it and we were fooked. In a very difficult situation we couldn't have been any better off at the close of the window imo. This has been the most exciting summer in years if ever.
10/10 in the circumstances.
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Not bad, I don't see the players with high ceilings and potential resale value though. Only 2 permanent additions started the game against Millwall.
The best signings are the loan players, which is fine this season but if we don't go up, then who knows. We're back to square one with even less money to work with. It's also a double edged sword because the loan players also block the progress of the permanent additions you're hoping to develop and sell.
Overall though, I'm happy with the VK appointment, the style of play and strength of the current team. I think we'll go very close to automatic promotion. Gonna be competitive at the top this year with Sheff United looking strong, Norwich picking it up and Watford keeping Pedro and Sarr.
The best signings are the loan players, which is fine this season but if we don't go up, then who knows. We're back to square one with even less money to work with. It's also a double edged sword because the loan players also block the progress of the permanent additions you're hoping to develop and sell.
Overall though, I'm happy with the VK appointment, the style of play and strength of the current team. I think we'll go very close to automatic promotion. Gonna be competitive at the top this year with Sheff United looking strong, Norwich picking it up and Watford keeping Pedro and Sarr.
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It’s a damn shame we have to aspire to get back to the Premier League, in some ways.
The entertainment and competition is miles better in the Championship.
The entertainment and competition is miles better in the Championship.
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Literally game changing ! Simply an amazing window and massive credit to all involved. I simply can not wait for our games now. This is special, very special !
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I’m hopeful that Vincent Kompany and his team can raise the bar with these (mostly) young lads.KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:22 pmNot bad, I don't see the players with high ceilings and potential resale value though. Only 2 permanent additions started the game against Millwall.
The best signings are the loan players, which is fine this season but if we don't go up, then who knows. We're back to square one with even less money to work with. It's also a double edged sword because the loan players also block the progress of the permanent additions you're hoping to develop and sell.
Overall though, I'm happy with the VK appointment, the style of play and strength of the current team. I think we'll go very close to automatic promotion. Gonna be competitive at the top this year with Sheff United looking strong, Norwich picking it up and Watford keeping Pedro and Sarr.
He certainly seems to know what he’s doing in the coaching department.
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Onwards & upwards, 62 years old and it's been a while since I've looked forward to a season so much. Young, fast, hungry footballers it's what football should be about. Nothing guaranteed of course but let's give them all our support, I saw the Millwall fan on YouTube midweek saying it's the best atmosphere he's seen in the Championship for a long,long time. Home and away let's get behind OUR team ...UTC.
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Still think we are short of an out and out striker, I wouldn't be surprised if Kompany revisits this area in January should the situation warrant it.
That aside, you have to give credit where it's due. A complete squad rebuild over this Summer with an emphasis on buying raw, but proven potential. The outgoings have made sense, agree with ClaretSpice that we should have got more money for some of them (Pope, Collins come to mind). But that's in the past now, hopefully a few of these signings can be polished and developed to get us to where we want to be. Initial signs look promising. We look like we are starting to gel as a team, but it's early days yet.
9 out of 10 from me.
That aside, you have to give credit where it's due. A complete squad rebuild over this Summer with an emphasis on buying raw, but proven potential. The outgoings have made sense, agree with ClaretSpice that we should have got more money for some of them (Pope, Collins come to mind). But that's in the past now, hopefully a few of these signings can be polished and developed to get us to where we want to be. Initial signs look promising. We look like we are starting to gel as a team, but it's early days yet.
9 out of 10 from me.
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VK has worked absolute wonders in assembling such a collection of promising players together in such a short space of time. We seem like we've got strength in depth and the football we're playing is on another planet. However, the cautious side of me kicks in. I worry about the apparent lack of physicality in the squad, how some players will cope when the going gets tough, and it will. The last few games have been sublime in warm temperatures, but I just wonder how some of these lads will fair when the winds howling and winter kicks in. Finishing on a positive note, i'm cautiously optimistic and give the window 10 out of 10, I can't remember one quite like it.
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Hard to give a knowledgeable opinion as I don’t know the players we’ve signed. The ones I’ve seen play so far I’ve been impressed with. Especially Tella and Vitinho
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Not sure how that could have gone any better. Of course it is fine to reserve judgement until we are 20 points clear, but I no longer think we are relegation fodder (which I considered a real risk when we were haemorrhaging players) and properly look forward to games again. Unprecedented transformation and I've no problem being grateful to everyone involved for having some short term hope back.
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I have been very impressed with the transfer window. I feel we can challenge any team in this league and run rings round them. My biggest fear is that of how long we can keep Vincent.
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As good, if not better than most of us could have hoped for or anticipated.
We've sold and let go most if not all of our Premiership team (for around 90m?)
paid off a substantial amount of the debt; lowered the wage bill significantly;
got ourselves a potentially great manager and brought in 14 new players (or is it more?)
for about 20-25m.
And VK has got us playing some decent football which is attracting fans back to the Turf
and putting a smile on their faces.
I don't think any of us could have predicted all of the above.
You have to give some credit to Pace in attracting VK to the rebuild project and clearly backing
him in getting in some decent players even though there was obviously a limit as to how much
VK had to spend.
The icing on the cake would have been Obafemi but we couldn't or wouldn't go that far it seems.
Another couple of million and we could have got him.
Had we managed to get him in I'd have to say 10 out of 10 for me.
But overall a 9 out of 10.
That's good enough for me.
We've sold and let go most if not all of our Premiership team (for around 90m?)
paid off a substantial amount of the debt; lowered the wage bill significantly;
got ourselves a potentially great manager and brought in 14 new players (or is it more?)
for about 20-25m.
And VK has got us playing some decent football which is attracting fans back to the Turf
and putting a smile on their faces.
I don't think any of us could have predicted all of the above.
You have to give some credit to Pace in attracting VK to the rebuild project and clearly backing
him in getting in some decent players even though there was obviously a limit as to how much
VK had to spend.
The icing on the cake would have been Obafemi but we couldn't or wouldn't go that far it seems.
Another couple of million and we could have got him.
Had we managed to get him in I'd have to say 10 out of 10 for me.
But overall a 9 out of 10.
That's good enough for me.
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Re: Your assessment of the transfer window (incomings)
Never believed I would live to witness a window such as this one.
Unbelievable work from Burnley Football Club.
Unbelievable work from Burnley Football Club.