Falling over and feigning injury

[boatshed bill]

Anyone see Man U vs Wolves in the week, some pathetic stuff went on there. Laughable.

[Jakubclaret]

That would be an awful rule change

In theory it's not a bad idea but extremely difficult to apply practically with fairness, you are effectively asking the referee to decide whether people have genuinely taken a knock or are rolling about trying it on, referees don't need more responsibility they can't even get things consistently right now without adding to it.

[Socrates]

It's an imperfect solution to a bigger problem that already plagues the game and I don't mind a jot if nobody agrees.

It’s a good job.

[taio]

In theory it's not a bad idea but extremely difficult to apply practically with fairness, you are effectively asking the referee to decide whether people have genuinely taken a knock or are rolling about trying it on, referees don't need more responsibility they can't even get things consistently right now without adding to it.

No - the suggestion was applying it to genuinely injured players as well.

[Jakubclaret]

No - the suggestion was applying it to genuinely injured players as well.

Of course but that needs to be established & the referee won't know that for certain anyway, from somebody dropping to the deck there's a time lapse until medical attention arrives on the pitch.

[taio]

Of course but that needs to be established & the referee won't know that for certain anyway, from somebody dropping to the deck there's a time lapse until medical attention arrives on the pitch.

The point was it would be blanket rule so wouldn't need to be established. It wouldn't work and it wouldn't be right.

[Jakubclaret]

The point was it would be blanket rule so wouldn't need to be established. It wouldn't work and it wouldn't be right.

Agree it'd be a nightmare to implement & we already have a system in place where stoppages are supposed to be accounted for & added to the 90.

[Dark Cloud]

One thing I do think is that the WBA defender who went down clutching his leg under no challenge in his own box last night was trying to do what loads of players do in those situations and take some "heat" out of the game at a time when we were turning the screw and they were somewhat rattled. The (largely crap) referee got it spot on as after he was treated he was made to leave the field and was awol as we then broke away and scored. Excellent stuff!

[northeastclaret]

It was brilliant seeing his face after we scored whilst he is still stood on the touch line out of the match.

Pure justice, one of the highlights of the match for me .

[what_no_pies]

In theory it's not a bad idea but extremely difficult to apply practically with fairness, you are effectively asking the referee to decide whether people have genuinely taken a knock or are rolling about trying it on, referees don't need more responsibility they can't even get things consistently right now without adding to it.

Think you've slightly misunderstood.

If a player stays down sufficiently that the ref stops the game that player gets a two minute treatment time out. If they didn't need treatment they'd get up instead of play acting. Ref's actions will be determined by players - who I suspect would get up again 90% of the time because they won't be rewarded foe feigning injury unlike now. Players that are genuinely injured would require treatment anyway so their time out is used productively.

As for suggestion opponents would deliberately injure players to get multiple players off the pitch at once, red cards would see to that sort of thing. That logic woukd have seen teams doing it historically after 3 subs had been made but it didn't happen in reality.

[Jakubclaret]

Think you've slightly misunderstood.

If a player stays down sufficiently that the ref stops the game that player gets a two minute treatment time out. If they didn't need treatment they'd get up instead of play acting. Ref's actions will be determined by players - who I suspect would get up again 90% of the time because they won't be rewarded foe feigning injury unlike now. Players that are genuinely injured would require treatment anyway so their time out is used productively.

As for suggestion opponents would deliberately injure players to get multiple players off the pitch at once, red cards would see to that sort of thing. That logic woukd have seen teams doing it historically after 3 subs had been made but it didn't happen in reality.

That didn't mirror taios explanation of interpretation but now you've explained it I can see what you meant & not the way he explained it with the blanket thing. So every genuine incident would count as 2 mins guaranteed.

[beeholeclaret]

I think that the game should just continue and the ref should wave the trainer onto the field to provide treatment. People would worry about them interfering with play but in practice it wouldn’t make a major difference. The field is plenty big enough to avoid them in most cases. I think it would stop the play acting which often happens when their opponents are putting them under a spell of pressure. There would have to be contingencies for head injuries etc but as a general rule I feel my idea would improve things.

[Shappie]

I think that the game should just continue and the ref should wave the trainer onto the field to provide treatment. People would worry about them interfering with play but in practice it wouldn’t make a major difference. The field is plenty big enough to avoid them in most cases. I think it would stop the play acting which often happens when their opponents are putting them under a spell of pressure. There would have to be contingencies for head injuries etc but as a general rule I feel my idea would improve things.

I’ve said exactly this for a while. It’s works ok in rugby so there’s no reason to think it wouldn’t work in football

[mdd2]

Tella's dive was pretty poor last night it has to be said.

It wasn't a dive and I say it because why was he diving? To get a penalty? If that was the case he was up in a flash continued to chase the ball and didnt appeal for anything apart from when he was knocked to the ground

[Hipper]

I looked at the Tella dive again and noticed it was Furlong who was the 'victim'. Furlong was on a yellow. So Tella's dive, if it had worked, would get a penalty and a red card for his team. What a hero!

[wilks_bfc]

I’ve said exactly this for a while. It’s works ok in rugby so there’s no reason to think it wouldn’t work in football

The ball can quickly switch from one side of the pitch to the other in football, it’s not as fast in rugby

[mdd2]

Well it was a pathetic attempt. Why didnt he stay down and appeal?

[gawthorpe_view]

Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere, but a second after Pieters near own goal, Tella, coming in from the right, was elbowed by WBA number 35.
Should have been a straight red and a penalty.

[Shappie]

The ball can quickly switch from one side of the pitch to the other in football, it’s not as fast in rugby

True, and I suppose the ball would by cynically played against the physio or the injured player forcing the game to stop anyway