Manger blackmail case

[Nonayforever]

It appears that one of the ex players allegedly blackmailing a football manager was a Burnley coach a couple of years ago.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... e-masthead

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[Claret Till I Die]

Away.

[Corky]

Who, the little baby jesus

[Nonayforever]

Auto correct & edit function

[jdrobbo]

Gambling has so so much to answer for. Some people still refuse to admit the damage it does. I want it as far removed from my football club as possible.

[Fretters]

Gambling has so so much to answer for. Some people still refuse to admit the damage it does. I want it as far removed from my football club as possible.

I agree to an extent John, but I find it difficult to say that when Barry Kilby is a director of Total Gaming Solutions. Admittedly he isn't part of the club anymore, but he and the money he made is one of - if not THE reason - we are where we are today.

I do think it needs to go the way of tobacco in terms of an advertising ban though.

[jdrobbo]

I agree to an extent John, but I find it difficult to say that when Barry Kilby is a director of Total Gaming Solutions. Admittedly he isn't part of the club anymore, but he and the money he made is one of - if not THE reason - we are where we are today.

I do think it needs to go the way of tobacco in terms of an advertising ban though.

No denying this at all, it’s a very valid point.

But…Barry Kilby didn’t stop you every few minutes…sometimes multiple times in a commercial break to tempt you with a trap of free offers. Nor did he approach you with incentives to return to gambling even if you were ‘taking a break’ like several people I know have been.

Furthermore, I believe BK made his money at first by selling his scratch cards to millworkers, with a very minimal amount of advertising….no rolling ads, no videos, no mobile phone pop-ups etc.

Most importantly, my main thought here, as it has been in the past, everyone has always acknowledged that fags knacker your lungs and booze pickles your liver; the effect that gambling has on the human body for a good number of people is still not ‘accepted’.

It will be though, at some point….

Cheers mate

[FCBurnley]

BK didn’t make his money from gambling. His Grandad Charlie sort of did when he was at Accrington Stanley but Barry 100% did not. Trust me I know

[Nori1958]

BK didn’t make his money from gambling. His Grandad Charlie sort of did when he was at Accrington Stanley but Barry 100% did not. Trust me I know

Sun bingo cards

[Billy Balfour]

I thought those bingo cards were free when you bought a newspaper? I do not recall hearing or reading about anyone spending their mortgage/rent money on buying up thousands of copies of The Sun or Daily Mirror.

[Nori1958]

I thought those bingo cards were free when you bought a newspaper? I do not recall hearing or reading about anyone spending their mortgage/rent money on buying up thousands of copies of The Sun or Daily Mirror.

It's was still gambling, which FCBurnley denied BK made his money from. Some people may only have bought the paper because of the bingo cards, and continue to buy it every day to collect the numbers.

[Billy Balfour]

Pedantic.

[Nori1958]

Pedantic.

Why do think the papers had these games?
Out of the goodness of their hearts?
Or to get people to spend on the paper, gambling that they'd win on the bingo

[Devils_Advocate]

People don't get into massive debt and terrible situations through gambling on football matches however the issue is that football draws people into gambling and that escalates. Sun bingo cards may have been free but whats to stay they weren't a gateway for some people into other gambling just like gambling companies use football as a gateway into other gambling.

I've no issues with how BK made his money but if you are going to go out all guns blazing on the ills of gambling then I'm not sure making excuses for someone whose made their fortune from gambling because you know them a bit more personally and you like and have a lot of respect for them is really a good look.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Are those who are massively against it ok with paying money to attend "Skybet" sponsored matches ?

[Bfc]

My thoughts are, Barry Kirby only printed gambling cards for others to reap the profit from. I stand corrected, if I’m wrong.

[Nori1958]

My thoughts are, Barry Kirby only printed gambling cards for others to reap the profit from. I stand corrected, if I’m wrong.

I've nothing against betting or how he made his money

But to say the betting industry didn't help him make money is farsical

[FCBurnley]

It’s amazing how some people will comment on subjects they know nothing about.

[Lancasterclaret]

It’s amazing how some people will comment on subjects they know nothing about.

On here?

I think its in the T & Cs!

[Devils_Advocate]

It’s amazing how some people will comment on subjects they know nothing about.

True but please don't let it stop you posting on here

[Rileybobs]

This website hosts games which classify as gambling such as the First Goal Sweep and Fantasy Premier League.

[Hipper]

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/two-ex ... 34810.html

[FCBurnley]

True but please don't let it stop you posting on here

On this occasion I will bow to your superior knowledge of Sun Bingo games. Clearly it’s another area of your expertise

[Billy Balfour]

Blimey, the stuff you learn on here. 1980s/90s tabloid newspaper bingo cards were a gateway drug, and decades later it led people into ruin.

[BigGaz]

People don't get into massive debt and terrible situations through gambling on football matches

This is incorrect. Particularly since data suggests those most interested in placing football bets are likely to come from deprived or low income households where the amount lost is relative to ‘massive debt’.

[Nori1958]

It’s amazing how some people will comment on subjects they know nothing about.

So, Barry's company on East Park Rd Blackburn, what did they produce, if not bingo cards?

[Nori1958]

Blimey, the stuff you learn on here. 1980s/90s tabloid newspaper bingo cards were a gateway drug, and decades later it led people into ruin.

Has anyone suggested that?
No
Is bingo a form of gambling?
Yes
Did Barry Kilby make money out of printing bingo cards?
Yes
Is Billy over reacting?
Yes...

[Devils_Advocate]

This is incorrect. Particularly since data suggests those most interested in placing football bets are likely to come from deprived or low income households where the amount lost is relative to ‘massive debt’.

I agree that in some cases people might only bet on football and ramp up their betting beyond their means but more commonly I believe Its the accumulation of betting across multiple things that becomes the real problem. People get sucked into betting and often start betting on almost anything and even worse get pulled into the casino style betting sites which really destroy people fast.

The point I was making is that gambling can start out innocently in many forms be it the odd bet on the football or just doing a free bingo card but some people get sucked into it and it escalates from there. I would argue that gambling sponsorship on shirts has little to no impact in turning people into gambling addicts and that its more specifically the targeted adds that really cause the problem and get people hooked.

If someones position is anything remotely gambling related should be completely removed from anything to do with football because of the damage it can cause then I dont see the consistency in downplaying where our ex chairman made his fortune because that kind of gambling isn't as bad.

Personally I would be all for some real restrictions on the adverts and the way people are targeted to have a bet but it seems like the focus is more on sponsorship where people can feel like they are making an impact but really the real issues are not the ones being addressed (cos they're are the things that generate those companies the money).

[FCBurnley]

So, Barry's company on East Park Rd Blackburn, what did they produce, if not bingo cards?

Bingo in bingo halls paying to play to win money was not what his company was involved in. The cards that they
Produced ( printed by a third party in Burnley) were a totally different concept to Bingo Hall gambling.

The promotional cards he produced were mainly for Newspapers with the purpose increasing circulation. However the laws of that time were that the cards had to be free and furthermore‘no purchase of the newspaper was necessary to play’

Hardly gambling in my book.

[Nori1958]

Bingo in bingo halls paying to play to win money was not what his company was involved in. The cards that they
Produced ( printed by a third party in Burnley) were a totally different concept to Bingo Hall gambling.

The promotional cards he produced were mainly for Newspapers with the purpose increasing circulation. However the laws of that time were that the cards had to be free and furthermore‘no purchase of the newspaper was necessary to play’

Hardly gambling in my book.

Increasing circulation how?... Oh, I know, by including a card, that perhaps by shear luck could win you money, its called a gamble, if nobody gambled, Mr Kilby would not have made any money.

[FCBurnley]

Increasing circulation how?... Oh, I know, by including a card, that perhaps by shear luck could win you money, its called a gamble, if nobody gambled, Mr Kilby would not have made any money.

Cards were free and delivered to every household in the U.K. No purchase of the newspaper was required. Gambling is when money changes hands. A man with no money could play The Sun Bingo game.

[Volvoclaret]

Bet he would.

[Billy Balfour]

Yep. Gambling: games of chance for money; bet.

[FCBurnley]

Bet he would.

Sorry can’t take you up on your bet. That would be gambling !!!

[FCBurnley]

Yep. Gambling: games of chance for money; bet.

Gambling

An agreement between 2 or more individuals to play collectively at a game of chance for a stake or wager which will become the property of the winner and to which all involved make a contribution.

[Nori1958]

Gambling

An agreement between 2 or more individuals to play collectively at a game of chance for a stake or wager which will become the property of the winner and to which all involved make a contribution.

Ever try to get a card without buying a paper?

[FCBurnley]

Ever try to get a card without buying a paper?

Now I know you do not understand sales and marketing

[Nori1958]

Now I know you do not understand sales and marketing

You mean offer something different and people will buy your product instead of another one?

[FCBurnley]

No. I mean why would a newspaper spend millions on a promotion and then make it impossible to get a card. I can assure you that if you had wanted a thousand cards you would have been given them.

[Nori1958]

No. I mean why would a newspaper spend millions on a promotion and then make it impossible to get a card. I can assure you that if you had wanted a thousand cards you would have been given them.

Excellent, I've now got my 1000 cards

How to I get the numbers to play the game?

Hang on, I know... I need to buy that newspaper for a fortnight to play the game.

[Tricky Trevor]

On a lighter note did you catch the story about Colin ****** over the last few days?
Took all his team 10 pin bowling, suggested they all put a tenner in the pot for winner takes it all. Once they’d all divied up he got out his own shoes and ball and took the pot.
It tickled me.

[FCBurnley]

Excellent, I've now got my 1000 cards

How to I get the numbers to play the game?

Hang on, I know... I need to buy that newspaper for a fortnight to play the game.

Good luck. Hope you win a million lol

[BigGaz]

I agree that in some cases people might only bet on football and ramp up their betting beyond their means but more commonly I believe Its the accumulation of betting across multiple things that becomes the real problem. People get sucked into betting and often start betting on almost anything and even worse get pulled into the casino style betting sites which really destroy people fast.

The point I was making is that gambling can start out innocently in many forms be it the odd bet on the football or just doing a free bingo card but some people get sucked into it and it escalates from there. I would argue that gambling sponsorship on shirts has little to no impact in turning people into gambling addicts and that its more specifically the targeted adds that really cause the problem and get people hooked.

If someones position is anything remotely gambling related should be completely removed from anything to do with football because of the damage it can cause then I dont see the consistency in downplaying where our ex chairman made his fortune because that kind of gambling isn't as bad.

Personally I would be all for some real restrictions on the adverts and the way people are targeted to have a bet but it seems like the focus is more on sponsorship where people can feel like they are making an impact but really the real issues are not the ones being addressed (cos they're are the things that generate those companies the money).

Yeah that’s fair enough mate and I agreed with what you’ve said there in its entirety, that’s perhaps the nuance to your point I was missing. Appreciate your clarification, whereas others may not have bothered.

[claretburns]

Back on topic of the thread, if any legal people know the answer. In the article Rogers claims he is going to sue the manager for legal costs and will try and get the anonymity of the manager removed as it is not right his name has been made public but not the manager.

Why would the manager be allowed to remain anonymous but other members in the case have their names made public?

[IanMcL]

My thoughts are, Barry Kirby only printed gambling cards for others to reap the profit from. I stand corrected, if I’m wrong.

It was his business. A well won contract and reaped the benefits, a little of which, he passed on to BFC (not you!)

We were grateful at the time and for several years. Gambling is for individuals, as is drinking and smoking. All may have negative outcomes. Help those for whom addiction beckons.

[Nori1958]

It was his business. A well won contract and reaped the benefits, a little of which, he passed on to BFC (not you!)

We were grateful at the time and for several years. Gambling is for individuals, as is drinking and smoking. All may have negative outcomes. Help those for whom addiction beckons.

Like I said much earlier on the thread, but some seem to struggle with the concept, Barry made his money from the gambling industry, good on him, Burnley benefitted from it, end of.

[Hipper]

Back on topic of the thread, if any legal people know the answer. In the article Rogers claims he is going to sue the manager for legal costs and will try and get the anonymity of the manager removed as it is not right his name has been made public but not the manager.

Why would the manager be allowed to remain anonymous but other members in the case have their names made public?

You'll have a job getting this back on topic. I think only about four of the forty-seven posts so far refer to the OP.

[Nori1958]

You'll have a job getting this back on topic. I think only about four of the forty-seven posts so far refer to the OP.

I know, it's weird isn't it, a conversion going in different directions, almost like real life

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Back on topic of the thread, if any legal people know the answer. In the article Rogers claims he is going to sue the manager for legal costs and will try and get the anonymity of the manager removed as it is not right his name has been made public but not the manager.

Why would the manager be allowed to remain anonymous but other members in the case have their names made public?

Didn't the manager get some sort of injunction to stop his name being made public?

Bit like Gary Flitter tried to do when he'd been playing away behind his wife's back?