Italy v England

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:42 pm

Oh! Something interesting!

Channel Four say it's been 405 minutes since last goal from open play. Another feather in Southgate's cap.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:41 pm
Is it true that he used to manage Middlesbrough?

Yes. He relegated them.

They played just like his England U21 side.

Who also played just the same as his England side.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:44 pm

Watching Burnley is FFFFAAAARRRR better than watching matches like this.

Absolutely no comparison!

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:45 pm

Some of the so called fouls in this game are embarrassing! It’s almost as though international football has become like netball with a constant barrage of the refs whistle stopping the game dead

It’s bloody awful to watch!!

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:49 pm

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:44 pm
Watching Burnley is FFFFAAAARRRR better than watching matches like this.

Absolutely no comparison!

Agree! I would rather watch local non-league footy than this garbage

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:50 pm

Pitch side commentators saying england have played well in the first half… disqualifies them from ever being allowed to commentate again. If you cant assess a game truly and put forward rational thoughts on the game… you should not be allowed to commentate

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:53 pm

James.. the mind boggles, a trippier he aint

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:53 pm

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:17 pm
Pretty straightforward really, Pickford injured.

Don't we get relegated, from whatever this is, if we lose tonight?

A couple of confidence boosters against Malta and Lichtenstein will do us good.

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:53 pm

Can't believe that James took that free kick. Normally Kane doesn't let anybody near a shooting chance from that range.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:54 pm

Watching England play like this and knowing I’d rather be watching Burnley this season is evidence relegation need not be a bad thing for us fans.

Caveat - Burnley wouldn’t be able to play this way without the parachute payments.

Antmass · Post by **Antmass** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:54 pm

Ref is buying all the pretending.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:56 pm

When he was Boro manager he was in the bar at the Radisson in Liverpool - they were playing Everton the following day.

Anyway, someone had been sent off on the MOTD game and Mr Southgate asked me if it was a straight red or two yellows ( it mattered as if it was a 3 game ban the player would miss the game against Boro)

I thought it was endearing that he literally relied on the testament of a bloke in the pub.

We had a good chat to be honest and he really is a likeable good bloke.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:59 pm

He’s a knob who should concentrate on actually trying to make us capable of scoring.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:02 pm

I can’t understate how odd the Southgate hate is.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:04 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:02 pm
I can’t understate how odd the Southgate hate is.

He's woke, apparently.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:05 pm

He’s a man promoted outside of his capabilities , happens in many professions. May well be a lovely chap. But in terms of being equipped to manage and motivate a team. He fails miserably. For those who say he’s got us to semi’s and finals, i believe that has been more by luck than guile. And when we have needed that guile its lacking he does not tactically know how to change a game. I think with this squad venables as an example would have won a trophy or two, even hoddle would do better,

I mention venables and huddle as examples of men who were tactically competent

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:06 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:02 pm
I can’t understate how odd the Southgate hate is.

I think it’s the frustration of how much attacking talent we have, yet the football is so dull. Two keepers on the bench here and no Toney in the squad. People dread international breaks as England are just never a good watch. This is almost Italy’s B team and our first 11 have barely had a shot.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:07 pm

Another farcical VAR rule. Clear foul and possible yellow but because it isn’t in the penalty area or a red card the VAR just go with the original decision. Even though if the ref saw it again he would give the foul.

Antmass · Post by **Antmass** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:09 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:04 pm
He's woke, apparently.

No need for the qualifier.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:09 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:05 pm
He’s a man promoted outside of his capabilities , happens in many professions. May well be a lovely chap. But in terms of being equipped to manage and motivate a team. He fails miserably. For those who say he’s got us to semi’s and finals, i believe that has been more by luck than guile. And when we have needed that guile its lacking he does not tactically know how to change a game. I think with this squad venables as an example would have won a trophy or two, even hoddle would do better,

I mention venables and huddle as examples of men who were tactically competent

If you accredit major semi-final and final appearances as luck then you’ve already lost the argument. If we’d have won that final you no doubt would also be claiming he was lucky. Strangely not many people say that Ramsay was lucky.

The Hung Juror · Post by **The Hung Juror** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:10 pm

Bellingham is class, full of attacking intent.

Southgate should be able to coach that out of him before the World Cup.

Feel sorry for Saka.

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:11 pm

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:11 pm

Oh dear, probably deserved that tbh.

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:11 pm

Let him take it down and so much space to shoot

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:11 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:06 pm
I think it’s the frustration of how much attacking talent we have, yet the football is so dull. Two keepers on the bench here and no Toney in the squad. People dread international breaks as England are just never a good watch. This is almost Italy’s B team and our first 11 have barely had a shot.

Lots of attacking talent yet a weak defence - something has to give…and it just has.

The quality of this squad is really over stated. Look at our starting eleven today. What should this group of players be winning? It’s nowhere near as good as some make out.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:12 pm

Southgate will go for damage limitation now, such is his philosophy on attacking football.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:13 pm

Hahahaha. Luke Shaw coming on.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:14 pm

70 minutes

Still only one comically weak shot on goal.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:14 pm

My problem with Southgate illustrated right here.

No creativity, no guile, no penetration - crying out for a player like Grealish whilst the game is 0-0 to get out there and try and change it up and go for the win.

No prospect of that sub happening.

We go 1-0 down - “…Get Jack stripped off”

Sozturf7 · Post by **Sozturf7** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:15 pm

Goalpost has it spot on for me.

The Hung Juror · Post by **The Hung Juror** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:17 pm

Are Italy playing with 13?

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:19 pm

Germans arent doin any better

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:19 pm

Whooooo!

A decent shot on target!!!

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:22 pm

Pope’s distribution is quite poor to say the least.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:09 pm
If you accredit major semi-final and final appearances as luck then you’ve already lost the argument. If we’d have won that final you no doubt would also be claiming he was lucky. Strangely not many people say that Ramsay was lucky.

In the last tournament with home advantage and with a kind draw Southgate somehow managed to lose the final through inept mangement. RamsEy won the World Cup.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:22 pm

Lost count the amount of times Pope has shanked it, really poor performance all round.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:23 pm

Grealish Foden and Sterling up front now. Three (ex) club mates knowing how to play together makes a big difference IMO

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:25 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:02 pm
I can’t understate how odd the Southgate hate is.

Neither can I.

But I can understand folk being fed up with him when he's playing one of our best performing players this season in Saka, in the wrong position.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:25 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:22 pm
Lost count the amount of times Pope has shanked it, really poor performance all round.

Mate, first comment all game and it’s slagging Pope off. Do you realise how boring you are?

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:25 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:14 pm
My problem with Southgate illustrated right here.

No creativity, no guile, no penetration - crying out for a player like Grealish whilst the game is 0-0 to get out there and try and change it up and go for the win.

No prospect of that sub happening.

We go 1-0 down - “…Get Jack stripped off”

Yep! Reactive rather than proactive…….did the very same thing in the final against this lot.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:26 pm

Antmass wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:09 pm
No need for the qualifier.

We have to play the qualifiers before the tournaments.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:27 pm

What’s the point of calling Toney up and then not putting him on the bench?

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:29 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:09 pm
If you accredit major semi-final and final appearances as luck then you’ve already lost the argument. If we’d have won that final you no doubt would also be claiming he was lucky. Strangely not many people say that Ramsay was lucky.

Well if you think that not scoring in open play for over 440 mins the worst performance for over 20 years, by any england side . is the plan of a master strategist and someone who understands the game and how to change it.. i rest my case

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:30 pm

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:25 pm
Mate, first comment all game and it’s slagging Pope off. Do you realise how boring you are?

To be fair, my first comment was also slagging off Pope. He has been poor. Fortunately he no longer plays for us!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:32 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:29 pm
Well if you think that not scoring in open play for over 440 mins the worst performance for over 20 years, by any england side . is the plan of a master strategist and someone who understands the game and how to change it.. i rest my case

That’s a poor way to rest your case, but thanks for doing so.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:33 pm

Why has he only brought 2 subs on? The man is an idiot.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:34 pm

The chinks in his managerial armour are starting to show, unfortunately.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:34 pm

We've created a single half chance in all the game.

Think of all the creative and flair players at Southgate's disposal and that is the net result. One single half chance created all game long, against essentially an Italian reserve side.

Bazer1882 · Post by **Bazer1882** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:36 pm

Dont usually express my opinion on this board, but that performance was diabolical. Time for a change in management

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:36 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:11 pm
Lots of attacking talent yet a weak defence - something has to give…and it just has.

The quality of this squad is really over stated. Look at our starting eleven today. What should this group of players be winning? It’s nowhere near as good as some make out.

Player for player, bar the odd one, we should be better than Italy here. You point to the defence yet he has a Serie A winning defender on the bench (on his home ground) so it can’t be that weak?

Kane or Scammaca? The latter can’t even get into West Ham’s first 11. Foden, Walker, Stones and Grealish all regulars in one of the PL’s best ever teams (+ Sterling prior to this season). James scores / assists every other week for Chelsea? Bellingham is bossing Champs League games at 19.

The attacking play is constantly poor and this game isn’t an outlier. We struggle to create quality chances against any decent team we face.