Italy v England

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:37 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:32 pm
That’s a poor way to rest your case, but thanks for doing so.

Maybe. But he's right. I don't watch international football and Southgate is a main contributor why.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:38 pm

I think Gareth will be starting to feel the heat, and rightly so.

We’ve been fairly awful since the Euro final.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:38 pm

England are a stale as Burnley were under Dyche. That’s the reality of it

lakedistrictclaret · Post by **lakedistrictclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 pm

Well, that was dreadful.
But I'm not really bothered. I, like (I suspect) most of us on here, and indeed most English football fans, put their club far in front of their country.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 pm

Not the result we wanted but I've seen enough tonight to convince me we have a real chance of winning the World Cup in Qatar.

Southgate has been a master at getting his England teams to peak when it matters and it feels like its gonna happen again.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:41 pm

4midable wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:17 pm
Kane anytime boosted with 365

He needs to be boosted with more than that pal

Antmass · Post by **Antmass** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:41 pm

Even though we've had 'success' it's just somehow soulless.

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:41 pm

Ha ha ha

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:41 pm

Hard to see this team getting close to winning the WC. Too many players out of form.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:41 pm

Watched the game tonight.
Thankfully I am boycotting the World Cup. So will not need to watch this rubbish for some time.

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:42 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:38 pm
England are a stale as Burnley were under Dyche. That’s the reality of it

Was thinking the exact same thing .

But we all know that Southgate is a trash manager. Never won anything

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:42 pm

7 (SEVEN) and a half hours since England last scored from open play.

This is the story of Southgate's England.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:42 pm

Relegation’s not the end of the world though. Love the Championship, real division and loads of derbies. Bring on next season.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:42 pm

7 1/2 hours without a goal in open play. He needs to be sacked before the WC.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:32 pm
That’s a poor way to rest your case, but thanks for doing so.

Didn’t need much resting as your argument was as weak as it gets. 7 hours of not being able to score in open play. Relegated bottom of the table in the nations lge with a game to spare. Regardless of whether its a meaningful tournament or not. All things being equal we have performed the worst of all teams participating, we are not progressing . There is no identifiable style - shape - plan or tactics.

And your assessment is Gareths the man and has it in hand.! It’s not my judgement that’s in question..

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:09 pm
If you accredit major semi-final and final appearances as luck then you’ve already lost the argument. If we’d have won that final you no doubt would also be claiming he was lucky. Strangely not many people say that Ramsay was lucky.

Look back at them two finals and tell me how many matches were close to good performances? Apart from the one big win, against Paraguay I think, we were bang average.
These players all play better than this for their club sides that is down to GS. All his playing career he was a loser and he has carried that into his managerial career. Talks a good game but can’t coach it.

Stanbill05 · Post by **Stanbill05** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:43 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 pm
Not the result we wanted but I've seen enough tonight to convince me we have a real chance of winning the World Cup in Qatar.

Southgate has been a master at getting his England teams to peak when it matters and it feels like its gonna happen again.

It will still mostly be a dog **** watch even if that happened. Wales and Scotland make better viewing.

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:43 pm

That was aimed at devils advocate for his very funny comment.
Soulless boring ineffective football. And that was Italy and they still won!!!!

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:45 pm

Maybe go back to 3 right backs for the next game?

Still, at least Maguire kept his 100% record up for the season.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:45 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 pm
Not the result we wanted but I've seen enough tonight to convince me we have a real chance of winning the World Cup in Qatar.

Southgate has been a master at getting his England teams to peak when it matters and it feels like its gonna happen again.

Peak?? We lost 3 games at that world cup with it handed on a plate.
Got an easy run at the euros and fluffed that.
Clueless tactically he shouldn't be in the job

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm

Hungary won the group, joke of a competition. Poor football, thought both sides were dull as shite. Boring game, Germans were poor too. England have been a boring side to watch since I was born, nothing will change, at least keep the manager with the best international major tournament record and try bore our way through it.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 pm
Not the result we wanted but I've seen enough tonight to convince me we have a real chance of winning the World Cup in Qatar.

Southgate has been a master at getting his England teams to peak when it matters and it feels like its gonna happen again.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:41 pm
Hard to see this team getting close to winning the WC. Too many players out of form.

And out of position.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:41 pm
Watched the game tonight.
Thankfully I am boycotting the World Cup. So will not need to watch this rubbish for some time.

Unfortunately for you England are playing on Monday so you will be watching this rubbish very shortly.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm

If players are out of form , isn't it up to manager to pick the players inform or at least play them in the correct position . Maguire , Dier and Shaw should be no where near this squad.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm

Funny reading the complete overreaction on here every time England play though, not sure why some of you watch it. Lets go back to the Mclaren days, Euro final and WC semi final just isn't good enough!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm

Sproggy wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm
And out of position.

Who is out of position?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:42 pm
Didn’t need much resting as your argument was as weak as it gets. 7 hours of not being able to score in open play. Relegated bottom of the table in the nations lge with a game to spare. Regardless of whether its a meaningful tournament or not. All things being equal we have performed the worst of all teams participating, we are not progressing . There is no identifiable style - shape - plan or tactics.

And your assessment is Gareths the man and has it in hand.! It’s not my judgement that’s in question..

I mean, making up what someone else has said on consecutive posts is not how to win an argument. Well done though.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm

Stanbill05 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:43 pm
It will still mostly be a dog **** watch even if that happened. Wales and Scotland make better viewing.

The Euro's was fantastic and once Southgate gets things going in Qatar the country will be gripped once again.

I just feel sorry for the poor souls willing us to fail who wont allow themselves to enjoy our success cos of the ridiculous position they have taken over Southgate and his successful tenure as the manager of our national team

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:48 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm
If players are out of form , isn't it up to manager to pick the players inform or at least play them in the correct position . Maguire , Dier and Shaw should be no where near this squad.

If we're talking about form, Dier should be the first name on the team sheet...... been incredible under Conte

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:48 pm

1 goal in 5 NL games, and that was a penalty, England for some reason have failed to kick on from that Euro campaign.

Serious questions for GS to answer before the WC, and on that display England will be nowhere near in Qatar,

He's simply sucking the life out of this England side, and I don't blame the travelling fans for expressing their frustration.

Bellingham the one shining light amongst many under par performances.

Southgate deserves to be given the WC based on his past successes, but the build-up has hardly been ideal.

Sozturf7 · Post by **Sozturf7** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:49 pm

Really poor, time for a change. No chance. World Cup, ha, ha. Always looked forward to watching my country play football, now I think I may give up until we get a manager with some idea how to entertain us.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:49 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm
Funny reading the complete overreaction on here every time England play though, not sure why some of you watch it. Lets go back to the Mclaren days, Euro final and WC semi final just isn't good enough!

It is true, we’ve always been boring. McLaren / Capello days. Jeez.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:50 pm

Properly turgid that.

Seen more life at a cemetery

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:51 pm

That was a really weak Italy team tonight too. Missing most of their best players. Very disappointing.

Antmass · Post by **Antmass** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:51 pm

This team has been created in a footy robot factory...with a footy robot manager for good measure.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:51 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:49 pm
It is true, we’ve always been boring. McLaren / Capello days. Jeez.

People pretending like we've ever been exciting to watch, absolute dross viewing for 20+ years. At least this team is boring it's way to later stages of major tournaments I guess.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:52 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 pm
Not the result we wanted but I've seen enough tonight to convince me we have a real chance of winning the World Cup in Qatar.

Southgate has been a master at getting his England teams to peak when it matters and it feels like its gonna happen again.

that's one of your worst yet DA. Lol

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:54 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:51 pm
People pretending like we've ever been exciting to watch, absolute dross viewing for 20+ years. At least this team is boring it's way to later stages of major tournaments I guess.

It would be very difficult to disagree with this.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:55 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm
Who is out of position?

Saka and which ever of the two right backs were playing left back.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:56 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:42 pm
Look back at them two finals and tell me how many matches were close to good performances? Apart from the one big win, against Paraguay I think, we were bang average.
These players all play better than this for their club sides that is down to GS. All his playing career he was a loser and he has carried that into his managerial career. Talks a good game but can’t coach it.

These players (although not all of them) play better for their club sides for a number of reasons and they’re not even difficult to consider. Firstly they are playing alongside better players. Do you think Foden would prefer to play alongside his England team mates or Bernardo Silva and KDB? Secondly, players train with their clubs almost every day, for hours at a time. Thirdly, their club managers and staff are better, because the best coaches work in club football and are paid more for it.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:58 pm

How many goals has Kane got for England?

Maybe get someone to get the ball into the box, especially when 1-0 down.

The history books will show Southgate as a good England manager. Never trust history books for facts.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:58 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:47 pm

I mean, making up what someone else has said on consecutive posts is not how to win an argument. Well done though.

Just stop drinking Rileybobs as its not helping you put forward any sort of logical counter argument. If youve not been drinking try giving your head a wobble. Still no luck - make sure you didn’t watch the Germany v Hungary game it was the same result. - if none of that helps or any of the above does not account for your logic. May i suggest crown green bowls as a sport deserving of your analytical critique..

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:58 pm

Looking forward to the interviews. See how many excuses/ cliches can be wheeled out.

As a warm up, on the BBC website Matthew Upson says "'They weren't pulling off each other"

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:59 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:58 pm
How many goals has Kane got for England?

Maybe get someone to get the ball into the box, especially when 1-0 down.

The history books will show Southgate as a good England manager. Never trust history books for facts.

Don't knock Kane, he was our best central defender tonight.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:00 pm

Southgate should go, he should never have had the job in the first place.

I know it isn't going to happen now, but we are so poor, and boring to boot.
His team talks must have players nodding off before they leave the dressing room.
I'm not sure we have a 'plan', it looks more like he picks 11 players, and just puts them on the pitch to make it up as they go along.
Some of the players are so out of form they can't play for their clubs, but even if they did, we aren't a team. We play like a bunch of strangers.
Awful, boring, useless football. Again and again.

distortiondave · Post by **distortiondave** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:00 pm

Gareth Southgate has now managed to relegate both teams he's managed.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:01 pm

LeadBelly wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:58 pm
Looking forward to the interviews. See how many excuses/ cliches can be wheeled out.

As a warm up, on the BBC website Matthew Upson says "'They weren't pulling off each other"

Haha, theyve now changed that header to 'They weren't creating that space'

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:07 pm

Dyche for England ? .....Well someone had to say it.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:08 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm
Unfortunately for you England are playing on Monday so you will be watching this rubbish very shortly.

To be fair, don’t think I will bother.