Ince

[Bosscat]

I always liked the old joke about Inces 1st season at OT ... after a particularly difficult start Sir Alex turned to Ince in a prematch dressing room peptalk and said "and you Ince ... if you don't pull your finger out I am pulling you off at half time" Ince grinned and said "oooooooh Gaffer we only got half an orange st Southampton"

[Juan Tanamera]

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It is ironic that he was absolutely wide open on the counter on the left hand side of midfield in the second half, but rather than release the ball to him for a good chance of a 1v1, their keeper thought 30-40 seconds of further time wasting a better choice.
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I said exactly to the lads around me, an absolute golden opportunity to break and the keeper f****d it up.
It was almost like he was brainwashed into wasting time.
Like a few have said, Reading got exactly what they deserved.

[Lowbankclaret]

Just watched his interview, he is correct , the ref was shocking.

I was screaming don’t touch him and as soon as he did , I was that’s a pen as were most people round me.

He was right to be annoyed, but we should have had one in the first half.

[daveisaclaret]

Ince is an awful manager and seemingly an awful bloke. The referee was shite but I'm not massively convinced that the reason why is a lack of testicles feeding in to his decisions.

[TheFamilyCat]

I always liked the old joke about Inces 1st season at OT ... after a particularly difficult start Sir Alex turned to Ince in a prematch dressing room peptalk and said "and you Ince ... if you don't pull your finger out I am pulling you off at half time" Ince grinned and said "oooooooh Gaffer we only got half an orange st Southampton"

I can't work out whether that is some very clever satire or not.

[Bosscat]

I can't work out whether that is some very clever satire or not.

[paulatky]

Keepers have 6 seconds to release the ball after they safely have it on their hands.
Before their goal the keeper had for at least 18 seconds

[dougcollins]

I always liked the old joke about Inces 1st season at OT ... after a particularly difficult start Sir Alex turned to Ince in a prematch dressing room peptalk and said "and you Ince ... if you don't pull your finger out I am pulling you off at half time" Ince grinned and said "oooooooh Gaffer we only got half an orange st Southampton"

That gets some recycling, the first time I heard it was Rodney Marsh and Sir Alf Ramsay - which is the alleged reason he never picked him again.

[tiger76]

Ince's sides generally start well then tail off as the season progresses, yes he has a valid point regarding their late penalty claim, but equally we should've had a spot kick in the 1st half, and arguably Reading were lucky to finish with 10 men on the park.

The reality is most teams will come to TN and employ spoiling tactics so it's just something we'll have to find a way to combat, the one side who did come and tried to play where Swansea and they were comprehensively dispatched 4-0, which probably explains why others haven't adopted that approach.

[scouseclaret]

Ince is an awful manager and seemingly an awful bloke. The referee was shite but I'm not massively convinced that the reason why is a lack of testicles feeding in to his decisions.

Ince has never come across well in interviews and I think this one says a lot about why he’s never cut it as a top class manager. Yeah, he has a right to be upset about it, but in his position you have to control your emotions, not rant on about it for five minutes.

On the subject of him being an “awful bloke” though, for a good while he lived not far from me in Heswall. I’ve never met him, but I’ve met quite a few people who have (including my own son) and without exception everyone of them has said he’s a lovely fella.

[chipbutty]

Ince.... short for Absolute Wa**er.

I`m not going on Countdown with you!

[ElectroClaret]

.... the one side who did come and tried to play where Swansea and they were comprehensively dispatched 4-0, which probably explains why others haven't adopted that approach.

I think there's a lot to this. As our own tactics unfold and it becomes pretty obvious how we approach games, other sides are inevitably going to figure out how to combat us.

However, on our side, we have a hell of a lot of very skilled players on the books and, for our part, we should be able to find ways to overcome their defences, not always, but often.

Either way, it seems it's going to be an interesting season.

[mybloodisclaret]

As has been said above.. We should have had a peno 100% when Jay was wrestled in the first half and quite literally couldn't move an inch.

Did you see VK referencing that and being a baby? Nope.... just Ince crying about theirs, and yes it was a peno,,definitely, but owing to their cheating time wasting tactics they got what they deserved.

[thehistorylecturer66]

...but I'd have been plssed off at not getting the most blatant penalty I've ever seen....

Nearly as bad as the one at Huddersfield which we could see from the other end of ground ? It’s actually happened at least twice at Huddersfield one this season and one in 2017-18 when their keeper happily admitted he couldn’t believe it .. these things happen every season.

I suspect Reading’s constant whinging and diving was the cause of the referee’s error yesterday ?

[Socrates]

I always liked the old joke about Inces 1st season at OT ... after a particularly difficult start Sir Alex turned to Ince in a prematch dressing room peptalk and said "and you Ince ... if you don't pull your finger out I am pulling you off at half time" Ince grinned and said "oooooooh Gaffer we only got half an orange st Southampton"

Paul Ince never played for Southampton

[gtclaret]

Can't really complain about Reading's tactics, we spent years doing similar under Dyche. Just trying to do the best with what you have against far superior opposition.

Absolutely correct, I can't believe the double standards or very short memories on here. If that was Burnley under SD everyone would be moaning.

[jtv]

He said 2 penalties, one by Brownhill. Was he hallucinating?

[Big Vinny K]

Keepers have 6 seconds to release the ball after they safely have it on their hands.
Before their goal the keeper had for at least 18 seconds

I thought that rule went a few years ago and it’s now at the referees discretion ?
Their keeper should definitely have been warned and then booked but the ref was clueless

On the penalty I have checked the highlights and all the papers and media reports and I am 100% sure there was no penalty - the game finished 2-1 for Burnley and neither team had a penalty.

Let that be the end of it Paul. It’s only a game.

[beddie]

He’s right though. The ref and liner had a perfect view of the Tom Ince penalty incident. The referring standard in the championship is not good. Our day though so a welcome three points.

[Garnerssoap]

I didn’t thinkReading were very good at shutting us out. We got through them numerous times but final ball/movement in the box/ bodies in the box saved them rather than an efficient organised defensive structure.
Was a pen though and I do think Tom Ince is pretty good - not quite as good as his dad has made out over the years but he’s always a threat against us. No problem with timewasting either it’s part of it and we have certainly not been innocent recently. It did come back bite the whinging little ex barsteward git though

[Longsider]

I`m not going on Countdown with you!

[jen1066]

As he said in his interview, we'll have had our chicken and chips and be ready for the next game.

You can tell he managed Blackburn.

[Bosscat]

Paul Ince never played for Southampton

[quoonbeatz]

I thought that rule went a few years ago and it’s now at the referees discretion ?

Nope, it's still the law.

[Stayingup]

He's a gobshite!!!

[Big Vinny K]

Nope, it's still the law.

Cheers didn’t realise.
Just assumed that since I had not seen a referee pull up a keeper for this for several years that it had gone.
Maybe the referees have decided between them to not apply it or that there is a large amount of leeway or discretion they are going to give to players (about an extra 10 seconds based on yesterday !!).
And I’m assuming that the keepers also know there is a good amount of leeway too as you would not risk the time wasting and holding on to it if you thought there was any chance of a conceding a free kick in your own area.

[Big Vinny K]

Googled it and found this article from quite a few years ago.

http://www.goalkeeperhq.com/dont-abuse- ... cond-rule/

Sounds like based on other articles that there is a lot of leeway given to keepers with this law and that this leeway has probably increased over recent years. Not sure when the last free kick was given for this in the top leagues in this country.
It’s a strange one because you assume the rule was brought in to avoid time wasting and the only reason a keeper would hold onto a ball for this amount of time is to cheat and waste time.
The referees seem pretty comfortable booking keepers for wasting time and this often takes place but if they were handing out free kicks this would be a far bigger deterrent as keepers seem happy to take a yellow card

[Hipper]

As he said in his interview, we'll have had our chicken and chips and be ready for the next game.

You can tell he managed Blackburn.

He should of course have said '..... and be back on our horse for the next game'.

[Hipper]

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... misconduct

An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:

controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it
touches the ball with the hand/arm after releasing it and before it has touched another player
touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate
receiving it directly from a throw-in taken by a team-mate

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air

A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

[Burnley1989]

Keepers have 6 seconds to release the ball after they safely have it on their hands.
Before their goal the keeper had for at least 18 seconds

I do think there’s a real irony to Burnley fans moaning about time wasting this season, we spent 10 years doing it

[jrgbfc]

I do think there’s a real irony to Burnley fans moaning about time wasting this season, we spent 10 years doing it

Thought the same yesterday, was no worse then us under Dyche, Pope in particular was horrendous for it.

[Big Vinny K]

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... misconduct

An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:

controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it
touches the ball with the hand/arm after releasing it and before it has touched another player
touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate
receiving it directly from a throw-in taken by a team-mate

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air

A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

Yes seen that now but that rule is clearly no longer applied by referees in the top leagues.
Somebody counted 18 seconds yesterday for Reading keeper. And the article I posted which was from a number of years ago said that it was 22 seconds before the free kick was given.
I cannot remember the last time a free kick was given and we know under Dyche that our keepers often held on to the ball for a lot longer than 6 seconds.

[Commy]

From another board when Reading played QPR:-

QPR have dominated. Denied a clear penalty for handball. Now Reading are given a penalty and are 1-0 up.

QPR will feel aggrieved.

[Belgianclaret]

This interview is equally hilarious and infuriating, with several very childish and petulant moments. Worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/f9XEsndCSQk

Calling his own team’s performance as ‘absolutely brilliant’ shows how deluded he is. They did nothing other than to foul our players and waste time

[Claretitus]

I really did think he was gonna burst into tears during that interview. Absolute comedy gold. The bottom lip was certainly quivering. What a cretin.

[Rileybobs]

I liked the bit where he said that the decision cost his team 4 points. That and the bit about the chicken and chips.

[gawthorpe_view]

He said 2 penalties, one by Brownhill. Was he hallucinating?

I think that was a claim for hand ball.
I didn't see it, some sat nearby said it looked like it was.