Flu & covid jabs

[martin_p]

Biden:

"This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Biden said in the full interview. "The unvaccinated. Not the vaccinated, the unvaccinated. That’s the problem. Everybody talks about freedom and not to have a shot or have a test. Well guess what? How about patriotism? How about making sure that you’re vaccinated, so you do not spread the disease to anyone else."

If you read the link below he’d previously said people vaccinated "cannot spread it to you."

https://www.wral.com/amp/fact-check-bid ... /20053317/

Blatant mis-information by the President of the US.

Look, there’s been mis-information on both sides, simple really.

Ok, so he’s wrong. But no one in this country has and none of the medical experts have, just an ageing president who often gets things wrong.

[Lancasterclaret]

*mis information on both sides*

I think, and I'm being as respectful as I can be, that is being very, very, very generous of anti vaxxers

[RVclaret]

*mis information on both sides*

I think, and I'm being as respectful as I can be, that is being very, very, very generous of anti vaxxers

There’s obviously some very extreme views on the ‘anti vax’ side, which probably tip the scales that way. But if we are looking at things objectively, stories like this one (CNN) don’t paint ‘the other side’ (in this case government scientists and Moderna) in good light either:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/m ... index.html

[Lancasterclaret]

First word of that

"some"

[martin_p]

There’s obviously some very extreme views on the ‘anti vax’ side, which probably tip the scales that way. But if we are looking at things objectively, stories like this one (CNN) don’t paint ‘the other side’ (in this case government scientists and Moderna) in good light either:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/m ... index.html

Are you seriously reading that and thinking it’s some big deal. Some data that had been published three times but was incomplete and suggested a booster vaccine worked slightly less well than the original vaccine (but still worked extremely well) wasn’t submitted to a committee and some people are ‘disappointed’.

[RVclaret]

Are you seriously reading that and thinking it’s some big deal. Some data that had been published three times but was incomplete and suggested a booster vaccine worked slightly less well than the original vaccine (but still worked extremely well) wasn’t submitted to a committee and some people are ‘disappointed’.

Never said it was a big deal. But it just goes to show there are elements of mis-information on both sides, which was my initial comment.

[martin_p]

Never said it was a big deal. But it just goes to show there are elements of mis-information on both sides, which was my initial comment.

But which bit of it is ‘mis-information’?

[keith1879]

There’s obviously some very extreme views on the ‘anti vax’ side, which probably tip the scales that way. But if we are looking at things objectively, stories like this one (CNN) don’t paint ‘the other side’ (in this case government scientists and Moderna) in good light either:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/m ... index.html

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly but what it seems to be saying is that a revised vaccine to be given as a booster shot was more effective as a booster than the alternative.

That is to say that it was better at reducing the probability of covid infection, whilst I can't see any suggestion that there were any undesirable side-effects either.

Granted there seems to have been some failure to transmit certain information but unless I am missing something if this revised vaccine had not been approved then it seems likely that there would have been more Covid cases.

This doesn't seem to me to be on the same scale as some (well ANY to be honest) of the anti-vaxxer myths.

[RVclaret]

But which bit of it is ‘mis-information’?

Key data not being presented by Moderna. Lack of transparency.

[keith1879]

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly but what it seems to be saying is that a revised vaccine to be given as a booster shot was more effective as a booster than the alternative.

That is to say that it was better at reducing the probability of covid infection, whilst I can't see any suggestion that there were any undesirable side-effects either.

Granted there seems to have been some failure to transmit certain information but unless I am missing something if this revised vaccine had not been approved then it seems likely that there would have been more Covid cases.

This doesn't seem to me to be on the same scale as some (well ANY to be honest) of the anti-vaxxer myths.

Nope - I read it wrong...the revised vaccine was actually slightly less effective.

[Bordeauxclaret]

There is a cracking thread on Twitter at the moment where Right Said Fred (no seriously) are questioning the amount of defibrillators that are now available in public spaces.

Highly recommended.

[martin_p]

Key data not being presented by Moderna. Lack of transparency.

That’s not mis-information is it? And the data you refer to had already been published by Moderna in three other places according to the article so there was no lack of transparency. Would it have been better to present the information to the committee? Probably, although it was incomplete and would probably have been presented in such a way. Would it have changed the decision to approve the booster? Of course not. A booster very slightly less effective against transmission (by less than 2%) wasn’t going to swing things either way.

[martin_p]

There is a cracking thread on Twitter at the moment where Right Said Fred (no seriously) are questioning the amount of defibrillators that are now available in public spaces.

Highly recommended.

I’m too sexy for that thread.

[keith1879]

Key data not being presented by Moderna. Lack of transparency.

I'm sorry but this seems to me to be false equivalence.

My beef is that people are being influenced to decline a vaccine at all by on-line "influencers" (yeuch) and as such many people are dying or falling seriously ill.

Yes there is some lack of transparency here....but it really is not comparable with the lies and misinterpretation being fed us by people such as Campbell

[RicardoMontalban]

Key data not being presented by Moderna. Lack of transparency.

Sub-optimal yes, but no grand conspiracy.

The six FDA and CDC advisers interviewed by CNN said that this infection data wouldn’t have changed how they voted, because the data had such limitations, but it still should have been presented to them.

[Rick_Muller]

There is a cracking thread on Twitter at the moment where Right Said Fred (no seriously) are questioning the amount of defibrillators that are now available in public spaces.

Highly recommended.

This one?

https://twitter.com/thefreds/status/161 ... eqFK2IWzxQ

Some of the replies are comedy gold

[Bordeauxclaret]

This one?

https://twitter.com/thefreds/status/161 ... eqFK2IWzxQ

Some of the replies are comedy gold

That’s the one. The replies are brilliant.

[keith1879]

That’s the one. The replies are brilliant.

Oh dear. (And that's putting it mildly).

[keith1879]

Biden:

"This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Biden said in the full interview. "The unvaccinated. Not the vaccinated, the unvaccinated. That’s the problem. Everybody talks about freedom and not to have a shot or have a test. Well guess what? How about patriotism? How about making sure that you’re vaccinated, so you do not spread the disease to anyone else."

If you read the link below he’d previously said people vaccinated "cannot spread it to you."

https://www.wral.com/amp/fact-check-bid ... /20053317/

Blatant mis-information by the President of the US.

Look, there’s been mis-information on both sides, simple really.

Here is a quote from the fact-check site linked above.

"We fact-checked a similar statement by Biden in October when he said people who are vaccinated for the coronavirus "cannot spread it to you." We found at the time that studies showed a vaccinated person was less likely to spread the virus, but the risk wasn’t zero. We rated Biden’s statement Half True. That was before the omicron variant was named a variant of concern by the World Health Organization.

At the time, Tara C. Smith, a Kent State University epidemiologist, told us: "Vaccination does significantly reduce transmission from vaccinated breakthrough cases but does not completely eliminate it."

So the fact-check actually rated Biden as being "half true".

[Tread Warily]

Good to see Flu and colds must be back.

They seemed to disappear for a couple of years.

Could be worse, could be the Black Plaque.

[RicardoMontalban]

Could be worse, could be the Black Plaque.

Certainly nothing to smile about.

[claretcarrot93]

Here is a quote from the fact-check site linked above.

"We fact-checked a similar statement by Biden in October when he said people who are vaccinated for the coronavirus "cannot spread it to you." We found at the time that studies showed a vaccinated person was less likely to spread the virus, but the risk wasn’t zero. We rated Biden’s statement Half True. That was before the omicron variant was named a variant of concern by the World Health Organization.

At the time, Tara C. Smith, a Kent State University epidemiologist, told us: "Vaccination does significantly reduce transmission from vaccinated breakthrough cases but does not completely eliminate it."

So the fact-check actually rated Biden as being "half true".

https://twitter.com/healthbyjames/statu ... 4076235782

Plenty of other *experts* on Tv saying the same at the time

[Lancasterclaret]

Could be worse, could be the Black Plaque.

Thing is, if we did have the Black Death, you'd have exactly the same f**knuggets saying stuff like "what about my freedoms"?

[keith1879]

Thing is, if we did have the Black Death, you'd have exactly the same f**knuggets saying stuff like "what about my freedoms"?

The black death was definitely a fake put together by a global cat conspiracy to demonize rats.

[keith1879]

https://twitter.com/healthbyjames/statu ... 4076235782

Plenty of other *experts* on Tv saying the same at the time

I love the way that the tweet misses out the key word "almost" from what he is saying.....

[Lancasterclaret]

The black death was definitely a fake put together by a global cat conspiracy to demonize rats.

Can definitely see some Orange looking King calling it "The Mongol Plague"

[martin_p]

https://twitter.com/healthbyjames/statu ... 4076235782

Plenty of other *experts* on Tv saying the same at the time

Except he’s not claiming what the tweet says.

[RicardoMontalban]

I love the way that the tweet misses out the key word "almost" from what he is saying.....

A gentle scroll through his tweet history suggests he not not the avenging sword of truth he claims to be. Hokum science and conspiracy theories.

[Herts Clarets]

Without reading the whole 5 pages so far:

I have never had a flu jab in my life. Last time i had flu was December 1999, just in time for the millennium. And as far as i can remember it is the only time i have had flu in 54 years. I had the first 2 Covid jabs and was more ill from the first than i was when i actually caught Covid. As it doesnt stop me catching it or spreading it, I will not have any further flu or Covid jabs.

[martin_p]

Without reading the whole 5 pages so far:

I have never had a flu jab in my life. Last time i had flu was December 1999, just in time for the millennium. And as far as i can remember it is the only time i have had flu in 54 years. I had the first 2 Covid jabs and was more ill from the first than i was when i actually caught Covid. As it doesnt stop me catching it or spreading it, I will not have any further flu or Covid jabs.

I suspect your 30 year old body was much more capable of defending itself against flu than your 54 year old (and beyond) body is. That’s why they offer free jabs to the over 50s and not the under 50s. Entirely your choice, but basing your decision on what your body could cope with at 30 seems a bit short sighted.

[keith1879]

Without reading the whole 5 pages so far:

I have never had a flu jab in my life. Last time i had flu was December 1999, just in time for the millennium. And as far as i can remember it is the only time i have had flu in 54 years. I had the first 2 Covid jabs and was more ill from the first than i was when i actually caught Covid. As it doesnt stop me catching it or spreading it, I will not have any further flu or Covid jabs.

The first Covid jab made me staggeringly tired for about 36 hours, but when I subsequently caught Covid it was so mild that I didn't even know I had it until I did a test. Was that the result of being fully vaccinated? Individually I cannot say but the overall averages suggest that it probably was.

[Burnley1989]

I’ve had 3 jabs but I probably won’t have anymore now, I don’t regret having them as I did what I felt was right at the time.

Had Covid twice, was rough for a few days but ultimately I’m a fit lad in my early 30’s so I don’t really need protection at the minute.

I’ll always go with medical advice though but have no issues with those that make their own choices

[Vincent'sCap]

I

I’m a fit lad in my early 30’s so I don’t really need protection at the minute.


Be careful out there,have you lots of cash to,you sound perfect to me

[mdd2]

We are seeing lots of flu RSV and Covid. Only those with respiratory infections are now tested for Covid. The vast majority now with Covid have been vaccinated and are sent home, a few usually with COPD need oxygen and stay for a few days. The ones with "old fashioned" Covid with lung whiteouts are those where the vaccines have not had much effect due to their impaired immunity or the (IMO) silly folk who have refused any vaccine, but there are also those unvaccinated who can be discharged from A/E as they are not too ill. Not much fun though seeing an unvaccinated pregnant women going to ICU which leaves you thinking-if only they had........

[Quickenthetempo]

We are seeing lots of flu RSV and Covid. Only those with respiratory infections are now tested for Covid. The vast majority now with Covid have been vaccinated and are sent home, a few usually with COPD need oxygen and stay for a few days. The ones with "old fashioned" Covid with lung whiteouts are those where the vaccines have not had much effect due to their impaired immunity or the (IMO) silly folk who have refused any vaccine, but there are also those unvaccinated who can be discharged from A/E as they are not too ill. Not much fun though seeing an unvaccinated pregnant women going to ICU which leaves you thinking-if only they had........

Will you please stop calling people silly who haven't had the vaccines. It's their choice. This dividing people has to stop.

You don't see any unvaccinated people calling the unfortunate vaccinated ones names, who died or have serious injury.

[keith1879]

Will you please stop calling people silly who haven't had the vaccines. It's their choice. This dividing people has to stop.

You don't see any unvaccinated people calling the unfortunate vaccinated ones names, who died or have serious injury.

I'm inclined to agrtee with the sentiment here. To be fair to mdd he did specify that it was in his opinion.
There have been many people pointing out that calling antivaxxers silly or worse is ultimately counter productive.

[Lancasterclaret]

I got given a chance for the vaccine boost this winter, and took it

Its is 100% your choice

Look, if you get ill, at least the NHS isn't struggling.......oh

[mdd2]

When you see a pregnant woman in her mid 30's going on a ventilator with no more than a 70% survival chance at best I think I am allowed my opinion of silly, and it is my opinion. Yes people have choices and they have had plenty of information on how they make their decisions. And inevitably we form opinions rightly or wrongly on our experiences. Hence the adjective silly. Apologies if I have offended.