Ban the "Usual Suspects"

[ŽižkovClaret]

From the BooHoo thread:

MOD: THREAD LOCKED YET AGAIN…the usual suspects looking for an argument, name calling or bringing politics into it.

FAO the user who has complained about the locked thread (name obviously kept private): please understand, there was no issue with the original post, but there were countless contributions made which broke forum rules and therefore a decision was made to close the topic. Bans will be issued to posters who continue to cause trouble. Sorry that a very important and sensitive issue was cut short, but posters must see that this will continue to happen unless there is a changing of ways.

If it is indeed a core of the usual posters, then ban them. Simple

[KRBFC]

Who were the usual suspects? name and shame the political sheep, goldfish brains.

[Volvoclaret]

Who were the usual suspects? name and shame the political sheep, goldfish brains.

Oh the irony

[4midable]

Nobody should be banned on a forum unless its borderline abuse

[Stanbill05]

Zero tolerance to thread hijackers who take good threads in that direction, but I don't see a problem with people disagreeing completely and airing their views- as long as they're legal. Maybe a "wild west" section on the board that people could chose to avoid is the answer to let that happen, but I understand why the mods don't want to facilitate and manage that.

[Selby Claret]

Who were the usual suspects? name and shame the political sheep, goldfish brains.

Keyser Soze was one

[Nori1958]

Zero tolerance to thread hijackers who take good threads in that direction, but I don't see a problem with people disagreeing completely and airing their views- as long as they're legal. Maybe a "wild west" section on the board that people could chose to avoid is the answer to let that happen, but I understand why the mods don't want to facilitate and manage that.

There has to be debate, people are allowed to disagree, otherwise the board will turn into a larger version of the Russian thread, where everybody agrees, plenty of pats on the back, anyone who questions, or disagrees with the leaders are quickly removed. If that happened people would stop posting, and the board would lose its popularity.

[Stproc]

Just kick em out. They ruin just about every thread on here and I’m coming here less and less nowadays as a result.

[fatboy47]

It's a question for the "owners" of the board.

Personally I enjoy passing 15mins with my brew and chocolate brownie, smiling at Rowls/lancs/ big vinny et Al taking lumps out of each other

If the content were strictly limited to the "how many we takin to QPR"...... "can you pay on the gate" stuff then personally I'd look elsewhere for a discourse. I'm sure I wouldn't be missed, but I think there'd be a significant reduction in traffic.

I don't get the whinging tbh...as has been said a million times, if you're not interested don't click on it, just as I avoid stuff I can't be arsed with. ......it really isn't rocket science....

[claretonthecoast1882]

There should always be room for those folk who can't live there life without whining about a political party, you'd imagine they need the company.

[Lancasterclaret]

There has to be debate, people are allowed to disagree, otherwise the board will turn into a larger version of the Russian thread, where everybody agrees, plenty of pats on the back, anyone who questions, or disagrees with the leaders are quickly removed. If that happened people would stop posting, and the board would lose its popularity.

Got to break a "foe" list here to defend the Russian thread I'm afraid

You either fall for Russian state propaganda, or you are bright enough to spot it

It really is that simple

[Big Vinny K]

It's a question for the "owners" of the board.

Personally I enjoy passing 15mins with my brew and chocolate brownie, smiling at Rowls/lancs/ big vinny et Al taking lumps out of each other

If the content were strictly limited to the "how many we takin to QPR"...... "can you pay on the gate" stuff then personally I'd look elsewhere for a discourse. I'm sure I wouldn't be missed, but I think there'd be a significant reduction in traffic.

I don't get the whinging tbh...as has been said a million times, if you're not interested don't click on it, just as I avoid stuff I can't be arsed with. ......it really isn't rocket science....

Woooah there tiger !!
I’m making a concerted effort to not get involved this week !

[Billy Balfour]

I don't get the whinging tbh...as has been said a million times, if you're not interested don't click on it, just as I avoid stuff I can't be arsed with. ......it really isn't rocket science....

I agree with most of that, but there are exceptions. Just look at the misinformation, trolling and conspiracy theory nonsense on one particular thread on here. Also, it's funny how some of them doing this are 'recent' members of UTC. They also have form in regard to other threads they post on.

[RMutt]

It was always going to be difficult to ban politics because it creeps into every aspect of our lives, including football. How could you discuss the Qatari World Cup, the take over of Newcastle, BLM, etc. etc. without it drifting into different political responses?
Then you have the local employer stuff and so on, it’s inevitably going to get political.
Like many more I miss the political threads and the posters who were on them, of all persuasions actually.
I appreciate the difficult job the mods do, and only they would know whether it is now easier or more difficult to police threads after the politics ban.
Perhaps the ‘wild west’ idea would be a good one, then if someone wanted to take the, for example Boohoo thread down a political route they could take it there to continue.
Football only folks could then avoid it if they wanted.

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

Keyser Soze was one

Not wishing to cause an argument but wasn't Keyser Soze a made up person and not a Usual Suspect?

[Billy Balfour]

Nonsense. Keyser Soze is REAL!

The greatest trick the Soze ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist.

[distortiondave]

The only poster who really warrants a permanent ban is whichever of Muchacho's alter egos is running amok at any given time.

Everyone else is utterly harmless, no matter how nutty their views might be.

[RMutt]

Not wishing to cause an argument but wasn't Keyser Soze a made up person and not a Usual Suspect?

There you go, someone trying to derail the thread already, haha!

[Lancasterclaret]

Got to break a "foe" list here to defend the Russian thread I'm afraid

You either fall for Russian state propaganda, or you are bright enough to spot it

It really is that simple

Hells bells, forum ate my post

There are multiple sources, loads and loads and loads for the war caused by the illegal invasion of Ukraine by Russia

The vast majority just copy and paste whatever they can get their hands on, and don't care whether its accurate or not.

Sadly, both sides use propaganda, and its very hard to spot what is true and what isn't, but there are people who know far more than me on twitter and other sources who try to be objective

The vast majority of links that I post on here come into that category, but its very hard to find objective and accurate Russian sources, and pretty much anything out of Russian state institutions is completely useless

I hope that clarifies it a bit

*And sometimes even the most trusted sources are wrong, and sometimes I post them, but I try not to!

[claretonthecoast1882]

Not wishing to cause an argument but wasn't Keyser Soze a made up person and not a Usual Suspect?

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist."

[boatshed bill]

I don't get why people come on here expecting a guarantee of common sense.
As long as it's all in good humour what's the problem?

[Lancasterclaret]

Still a great film btw

[Nori1958]

Got to break a "foe" list here to defend the Russian thread I'm afraid

You either fall for Russian state propaganda, or you are bright enough to spot it

It really is that simple

Prime example

[Lancasterclaret]

Prime example

But you only post to troll stuff

Look, I don't know why you got banned, but I've got a pretty good idea

And you just rejoin and do exactly the same thing

Look, this is my last interaction with you before I put you back on the "foe" list, but think about what sort of message you are sending to everyone else by trying to derail every post

Its just so sad and I've no idea why people want to do it, and I doubt I'm alone

[daveisaclaret]

Only real problem on here is the mods don't have an appetite to ban people who start a new account the second they get banned. And I don't blame them cos I imagine it's a miserable thing to have to look out for.

[Nori1958]

Got to break a "foe" list here to defend the Russian thread I'm afraid

You either fall for Russian state propaganda, or you are bright enough to spot it

It really is that simple

I only mentioned the management of the thread, not the content..... But straight away an attempt to abuse people, completely off topic

[CoolClaret]

There has to be debate, people are allowed to disagree, otherwise the board will turn into a larger version of the Russian thread, where everybody agrees, plenty of pats on the back, anyone who questions, or disagrees with the leaders are quickly removed. If that happened people would stop posting, and the board would lose its popularity.

I don’t think one thing you’ve posted since I’ve noticed your presence has been of value.

Complete and utter tripe.

What’s there to ‘disagree with’ on the Russian thread?

[Lancasterclaret]

I only mentioned the management of the thread, not the content..... But straight away an attempt to abuse people, completely off topic

Thing is mate, everyone* sees you for what you are

*apart from those that are just like you

[Buxtonclaret]

Only real problem on here is the mods don't have an appetite to ban people who start a new account the second they get banned. And I don't blame them cos I imagine it's a miserable thing to have to look out for.

Think one or two have quickly returned with more than name too.
Slightly differing angles on the trolling.
Almost identical syntax though.

[Nori1958]

I don’t think one thing you’ve posted since I’ve noticed your presence has been of value.

Complete and utter tripe.

What’s there to ‘disagree with’ on the Russian thread?

That's the point... You and me might not think there is anything to disagree with regarding the rights and wrongs.
but some people do, and their views should be allowed.

[ecc]

There has to be debate, people are allowed to disagree, otherwise the board will turn into a larger version of the Russian thread, where everybody agrees, plenty of pats on the back, anyone who questions, or disagrees with the leaders are quickly removed. If that happened people would stop posting, and the board would lose its popularity.

Sorry but I feel the "Russia Invades" thread is well-managed. There is a consensus across the European media and 90% of European politicians concerning the party at fault.

The thread allows for discussion and I've learned a lot from it.

That's my opinion FWIW.

[Nori1958]

Sorry but I feel the "Russia Invades" thread is well-managed. There is a consensus across the European media and 90% of European politicians concerning the party at fault.

The thread allows for discussion and I've learned a lot from it.

That's my opinion FWIW.

Iam not arguing who's at fault, as I've already said, but there are some people who disagree with you, me and the 90%, and in a free society they should be allowed to join in the debate, if every discussion becomes one sided, and there's no debate it becomes very boring, and people leave the platform
That's all I've ever said.

[timshorts]

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist."

Not really. People always put doubts into the disbelievers minds that he existed alright.

His greatest trick as yet uncovered is that of his coming to earth as the Liverpool manager. He's reconverted thousands of fallen followers and has prowled the touchline without the media getting the slightest hint of who he really is, even though his teeth should be a bit of a giveaway.

[ecc]

Iam not arguing who's at fault, as I've already said, but there are some people who disagree with you, me and the 90%, and in a free society they should be allowed to join in the debate, if every discussion becomes one sided, and there's no debate it becomes very boring, and people leave the platform
That's all I've ever said.

Hi Nori1958,

First and foremost, I'm sorry if I offended you. Yes, there should be debate because that is the main objective of forums. However, IMO the "Russia Invades" thread is more for updates and providing information. As we know the truth is usually the first victim in any war and there are episodes of all wars fought since men first waged war that are unclear or have never been truthfully reported.

Historians still disagree about major issues in the two World Wars but is there any real doubt that Hitler was an evil man who started the ball rolling in the thirties?

[Nori1958]

Hi Nori1958,

First and foremost, I'm sorry if I offended you. Yes, there should be debate because that is the main objective of forums. However, IMO the "Russia Invades" thread is more for updates and providing information. As we know the truth is usually the first victim in any war and there are episodes of all wars fought since men first waged war that are unclear or have never been truthfully reported.

Historians still disagree about major issues in the two World Wars but is there any real doubt that Hitler was an evil man who started the ball rolling in the thirties?

I used the Russian thread as an example as to the direction I wouldn't wish this board to go in.

I agree it's become a place where people can find links to stories, early in the war there were some posters who disagreed with the majority,when the discussion was more about the rights and wrongs, and how some discussed the way they thought how the war would progress, those who did question the majority, soon disappeared, for various reasons

Now equate that behaviour with a football topic.... So the majority ( I think) are happy with our manager, if there was a thread saying how good he was, those that disagreed with that view should still be allowed to post ( as they are at present) and not removed from the thread

It was just my opinion in response to a discussion about free speech on this board.

[fatboy47]

Hi Nori1958,

but is there any real doubt that Hitler was an evil man who started the ball rolling in the thirties?

With elements of support and admiration from sections of our Royal family, right-wing press, the Tory Party and our American "allies" perhaps. No doubt at all.

[Vegas Claret]

Iam not arguing who's at fault, as I've already said, but there are some people who disagree with you, me and the 90%, and in a free society they should be allowed to join in the debate, if every discussion becomes one sided, and there's no debate it becomes very boring, and people leave the platform
That's all I've ever said.

The Russia thread was set up for the collection of information and less so for debate - there are hundreds of thousands of other forums you can go and debate it if you choose to

[Nori1958]

The Russia thread was set up for the collection of information and less so for debate - there are hundreds of thousands of other forums you can go and debate it if you choose to

If you could point me to the hundred of thousand of forums about Burnley football club, which this thread is about, I'd be forever grateful thank you

[Bosscat]

If you could point me to the hundred of thousand of forums about Burnley football club, which this thread is about, I'd be forever grateful thank you

Ffs people now arguing about arguing ... only on UTC

Have you bugga's not got owt better to do than argue ffs

[Nori1958]

Ffs people now arguing about arguing ... only on UTC

Have you bugga's not got owt better to do than argue ffs

I've lots of things to do, it's just polite to reply when somebody responds to a post

[Bosscat]

I've lots of things to do, it's just polite to reply when somebody responds to a post

[Vegas Claret]

If you could point me to the hundred of thousand of forums about Burnley football club, which this thread is about, I'd be forever grateful thank you

If this thread is about BFC I'd love for you to explain to everyone why you were the one who specifically brought up the Russia thread ?
The Russia thread was initially deleted but after conversations it was re-instated because it's an important information source and very often days ahead of other national news sources. Folks like Lancaster have worked hard on that thread to post info and it's appreciated by many posters.

If you want to debate Russia go elsewhere and stop unnecessarily dragging this forum down

[Nori1958]

If this thread is about BFC I'd love for you to explain to everyone why you were the one who specifically brought up the Russia thread ?
The Russia thread was initially deleted but after conversations it was re-instated because it's an important information source and very often days ahead of other national news sources. Folks like Lancaster have worked hard on that thread to post info and it's appreciated by many posters.

If you want to debate Russia go elsewhere and stop unnecessarily dragging this forum down

If you read my original post you would understand why it was mentioned. And as you say the Russian thread was deleted, and came back on the understanding of no arguing, and thats the point, I personally would not like football discussions to be like that.

I have no urge to discuss Russia, again if you read the posts you'd see that


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MOD: Thank you for these messages. A point that I feel that many of you are missing is not the issue of politics per se, but the amount of abuse posters, some very reputable and long-standing, issue one another, when they have a difference of opinion.

The comments that often remain on the board are literally just the chaff, but the moderators have to remove dozens and dozens and dozens of posts where the abuse is just too much.

It’s all very well and good calling for different people to be banned, but you also frequently get normally good posters, unable to resist the temptation to reciprocate the abuse and that leaves moderation in a very sticky place.

Should we be issuing bans to those who respond to abuse , by calling people morons, stupid dicks, pathetic, losers etc?

I am unsure that some posters don’t actually realise that they are doing it. The board would be a much healthier place if people just ignored the stupidity and reported the posts immediately, but that doesn’t happen enough.

The wild west idea is good in principle, but abuse would be rife within hours and I don’t think anyone wants the message board to go that way.

[KRBFC]

I think society needs a ban on certain type of individuals in general, there's nothing more annoying in a person than someone who's head is so far up the political asshole they can't help but turn everything into a political biased debate.

The whole left v right thing is the most annoying pile of braindead nonsense, you have to be a complete sheep to involve yourself. Fabricated to cause division and general folk fall right into the trap.

Labour or Tories, both are complete horse crap, yet people genuinely live their life defending one side like robots. Why can't you dislike both sides? but agree with certain things from both sides?

This place should completely ban politics, it's boring as hell and doesn't add anything to a debate, apart from clear stupid bias.

[KRBFC]

If you can't see the good and bad because your political agenda doesn't allow it, seek urgent help.

[evensteadiereddie]

[Nori1958]

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MOD: Thank you for these messages. A point that I feel that many of you are missing is not the issue of politics per se, but the amount of abuse posters, some very reputable and long-standing, issue one another, when they have a difference of opinion.

The comments that often remain on the board are literally just the chaff, but the moderators have to remove dozens and dozens and dozens of posts where the abuse is just too much.

It’s all very well and good calling for different people to be banned, but you also frequently get normally good posters, unable to resist the temptation to reciprocate the abuse and that leaves moderation in a very sticky place.

Should we be issuing bans to those who respond to abuse , by calling people morons, stupid dicks, pathetic, losers etc?

I am unsure that some posters don’t actually realise that they are doing it. The board would be a much healthier place if people just ignored the stupidity and reported the posts immediately, but that doesn’t happen enough.

The wild west idea is good in principle, but abuse would be rife within hours and I don’t think anyone wants the message board to go that way.

Agree with almost all of that, and thankyou for giving a moderators view

It's very difficult not to respond to personal abuse, and the instigater of the abuse should perhaps be banned for a time, the responder perhaps given a little leeway?

[boatshed bill]

Bring on the vigilantes

Grown men (and women)??

[Cheapcharlie]

There has to be debate, people are allowed to disagree, otherwise the board will turn into a larger version of the Russian thread, where everybody agrees, plenty of pats on the back, anyone who questions, or disagrees with the leaders are quickly removed. If that happened people would stop posting, and the board would lose its popularity.

I agree , ‘no politics’ rule is nonsense as the Russian thread shows you can spout anything on there unless you don’t agree with the mainstream narrative. Wanting to gag people you disagree with is a slippery slope . You will only change another’s mind by being respectful and trying to see their point of view .

[Cheapcharlie]

Got to break a "foe" list here to defend the Russian thread I'm afraid

You either fall for Russian state propaganda, or you are bright enough to spot it

It really is that simple

Yes nice to hear a balanced view once again . (Not really)