ENG v FRA

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:11 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:08 pm
We caused them zero problems in open play. We needed penalties to stand a chance and couldn’t put them away.

France created less than us from open play.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:11 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:08 pm
Rice was basically a passenger all game, 2 yard passes expert.

Ref was bent as ****

Kane is a centre forward, not a midfielder

We hype up our stars as the best but then watch the likes of Modric and Griezmann, they are real superstars

Southgate is a terrible manager

I said this about Kane in the last game but I was ‘clueless’

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:12 pm

What ******* stupid questions to ask Henderson after a game like that

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:12 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:08 pm
He plays on the wing every week, what are you talking about lol? He's played in the same position for club and country.

I give up, you’re clueless

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:12 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:08 pm
Kyle Walker did a great job on Mbappe.

I suspect the French allowed Mbappe to be marked like he was as it freed up so much space for Greizmann.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:12 pm

I think that tactically Southgate is inept, he has an exceptional squad and does not know how to change it up when required, so against tier c we win , against tier b we struggle , and against tier A sides we lose, because at that level you need to get it tactically right and make the big calls in and during the game. That is an area Southgate really struggles with.

lakedistrictclaret · Post by **lakedistrictclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:09 pm
All of you who are clutching at straws think about this:
We haven't scored from open play, in fact we couldn't convert both pens.
We are crap, just accept it.
Still haven't beaten a so called elite team away from home since F knows when.

No, we are not a crap team, we are a good team.
But we are not quite good enough.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm

Zaroury goes further than England

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:12 pm
I suspect the French allowed Mbappe to be marked like he was as it freed up so much space for Greizmann.

Griezmann did the square root of f*** all

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:14 pm

End of the day around the box they were more decisive, we tried to be solid and it nearly worked again, alas we don't have or choose not to start players who can play that killer ball perchance we lose possession.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:14 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:11 pm
I said this about Kane in the last game but I was ‘clueless’

I mean who are we putting the ball in the box for when Kane is 40 yards behind play?

No point even getting on the plane as a striker in this England team

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:14 pm

A close game but England offered little apart from the penalties.

Thought Kane was poor, as was Rice. Our standout was Saka, not sure why he took him off.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:15 pm

lakedistrictclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm
No, we are not a crap team, we are a good team.
But we are not quite good enough.

Check our record against top nations...it's not good (like I say, away from England)

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:15 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm
Griezmann did the square root of f*** all

Seriously?

Having a player like that behind your main striker is massive, we had Bellingham, Rice and Henderson eho are all defensive meaning none can unlock a defense, and teams know that when playing us

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:15 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:12 pm
I give up, you’re clueless

Why is he more of a number 10 than he is a winger? he plays on the wing every week.

You just laughed at the Harry Kane world class because he missed a penalty?

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:15 pm

Southgate has been SafeGate but tonight he didn’t do much wrong, maybe should have been more aggressive with his subs after Giroud’s goal. But we weren’t clinical enough despite being the better side.

A shame but reputations hinge on these moments - Kane may be remembered as the guy who won nothing of significance in his career.

What a huge missed opportunity. Kane scores that pen, I fancied us to go all the way.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:16 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:15 pm
Seriously?

What did he do? Zero big chances created for an attacking player is poor.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:16 pm

When the dust settles and people remember the next game was Morocco, who have been sensational.. this was a huge missed opportunity to. Get to the World Cup final. I actually think Morocco can get a result against France. I think we would have won

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:16 pm

NottsClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:57 pm
We’re great against Iran and Senegal though.

Yup....well, the second half against Senegal perhaps.

All this whining about the referee is funny to read though

I think he had an excellent game and didn't fall for any of England's theatricals.

Kicking myself for breaking my resolve and watching though..utter garbage.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:16 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:14 pm
I mean who are we putting the ball in the box for when Kane is 40 yards behind play?

No point even getting on the plane as a striker in this England team

Exactly. Spurs are different they don’t have the players England do. He doesn’t need to worry in this England team. He just needs to play between the widths of the penalty box.

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm
Griezmann did the square root of f*** all

He made the winning goal .

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm

Best game England played up to now, unfortunate with Kane’s second penalty, but ultimately undone again by the immobile central defence. McGuire too late for their second…
France plays cynical football

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm
Zaroury goes further than England

Ergo, Burnley go further than England.

I’m so glad we’re back to proper football tomorrow

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm
Griezmann did the square root of f*** all

Best you watch a replay of the game. He was superb, totally in control and spent half the game at walking pace.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:15 pm
Seriously?

Having a player like that behind your main striker is massive, we had Bellingham, Rice and Henderson eho are all defensive meaning none can unlock a defense, and teams know that when playing us

Greizman was the french man of the match by a country mile if not the match

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:16 pm
What did he do? Zero big chances created for an attacking player is poor.

It's what he gives you sitting behind Giroud, who plays as a centre forward, same position as H.Kane who has to go searching for the ball

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:18 pm

Not Southgates fault "one of the best strikers in the world" balloons a static ball 20 feet over the bar from 12 yards out.

As a wise manager of BFC once said "you've 192 square feet to aim at and all you have to do is miss the goalie"

At least FIFA have denied there is any agenda to this World Cup and confirmed that the Argentina v France final will be referred entirely without bias.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:18 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:15 pm
Why is he more of a number 10 than he is a winger? he plays on the wing every week.

You just laughed at the Harry Kane world class because he missed a penalty?

Where did I laugh? And it’s not just a missed penalty is it? Name me a big game he has turned up in? The only one I can think of is Germany last year.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:18 pm

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:14 pm
A close game but England offered little apart from the penalties.

Thought Kane was poor, as was Rice. Our standout was Saka, not sure why he took him off.

Rice was Man of the Match FFS

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:19 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:08 pm
We caused them zero problems in open play. We needed penalties to stand a chance and couldn’t put them away.

We got the pens because we were causing them problems in open play.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:19 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm
Greizman was the french man of the match by a country mile if not the match

Thank you, he was head and shoulders above anyone else tonight, just his movement creates so much space for Giroud and stretches the pitch, allowing Mbappe and Dembele to stay wide and not go chasing, and we had Defensive Midfielders on the pitch

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:19 pm

Those criticising greizman truly know only about 10% of the attributes required by a footballer ..

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:19 pm

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm
He made the winning goal .

Thought that was Hernandez. Anyway was basically from a set piece. Open play didn’t hurt us.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:20 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:08 pm
Rice was basically a passenger all game, 2 yard passes expert.

Ref was bent as ****

Kane is a centre forward, not a midfielder

We hype up our stars as the best but then watch the likes of Modric and Griezmann, they are real superstars

Southgate is a terrible manager

I still don't know what Rice does.

We could have had Jack Cork in there and wouldn't be any worse for it.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:20 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:19 pm
Those criticising greizman truly know only about 10% of the attributes required by a footballer ..

As much as that?

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 pm

The referee made some obvious errors but he wasn’t as bad as the pundits are making out.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm
Griezmann did the square root of f*** all

Is it the Grappa? Certainly something. That ghost who crossed for the winning goal - who was it?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 pm

Rice was outstanding, him and Saka our best players

1882Clarets1882 · Post by **1882Clarets1882** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:13 pm
Griezmann did the square root of f*** all

I think the choice of a footballing scout may not be the the best career move to be honest mate.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 pm

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 pm
The referee made some obvious errors but he wasn’t as bad as the pundits are making out.

He was terrible. There is clearly an agenda to keep Mbappe and Messi in the tournament as long as possible

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:22 pm

Unlucky to lose, probably the better team.

The quality of Greizmann was the difference in the end. What a cross.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:22 pm
Unlucky to lose, probably the better team.

The quality of Greizmann was the difference in the end. What a cross.

And a centre forward in Giroud actually playing as a centre forward

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 pm

I'll never knock a team that is brave and has a go, I thought second 45 today we were excellent against the World Champions. Pens get missed, we should have had a 3rd and they should have been down to 10 but hey ho. I'm pleased Southgate set them up to attack.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 pm

Special mention i think for walker, he kept mbappe very quiet..

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 pm
And a centre forward in Giroud actually playing as a centre forward

Awful take

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:10 pm
I’m not impressed by France tonight. They weren’t on fire so I hope Morocco knock them out!

That's what is so disappointing we made France look distinctly average in the 2nd half, yet couldn't convert when it mattered, then when poor defending offered us a lifeline we blew that golden opportunity as well.

Mbappe was fairly quiet and still France found a way to edge a tight game.

Fine margins and all that.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:24 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 pm
He was terrible. There is clearly an agenda to keep Mbappe and Messi in the tournament as long as possible

all day long, it's FIFA's dream final

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:24 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:19 pm
Thought that was Hernandez. Anyway was basically from a set piece. Open play didn’t hurt us.

No. It was Greizmann.

'France regain di lead 12 minutes from time wen Olivier Giroud head in Antoine Griezman perfect cross.'

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/c037dym77pqo

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:24 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 pm
He was terrible. There is clearly an agenda to keep Mbappe and Messi in the tournament as long as possible

And that's why he changed his mind on the England second penalty, was it?
What a load of horses**t.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:25 pm

Very magnanimous from Southgate.