Premiership referees

[Frenchclaret]

We have had a number of these referees this season and many have been poor. Is their reliance on VAR their problem?
The lack of VAR in the Championship perhaps confuses them. Any thoughts?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

They were poor before var was introduced let's be honest.

[Bosscat]

For some Refs coming out of the PL is a "Step too VAR"

[dougcollins]

We have had a number of these referees this season and many have been poor. Is their reliance on VAR their problem?
The lack of VAR in the Championship perhaps confuses them. Any thoughts?

We had the exact same conversation- and I think you're right about the reliance on VAR - but probably more so the linos, who appear to have forgotten how to call a live offside.

[Bosscat]

Aren't they talking of VAR going to be in the Championship from either next season or the one after maybe maybe not

[dsr]

The linesman who disallowed Barnes' goal must surely have been using VAR rules, which are designed to help disallow goals. Under the old rules, Barnes was level and the goal should have stood. Under VAR rules, there is no level and the linesman has to have a guess and VAR would correct it.

Obviously Barnes's hip and the defender's back foot were very close and the linesman chose to have a guess rather than go to the old rule of being level.

[Cheshireclaret]

The linesman on the Bob Lord side is a PL lino and I have to say, he always impresses me whenever I see him. Seldom gets anything wrong, talks to the players throughout and always keeps up with play. Superb chin to rival Daryl Gurney as well!

The referee last night was doing VAR on one of the PL games today, can't recall which though.

[Tricky Trevor]

BHA had a stonewall pen turned down today by the great Lee Mason, on VAR duty. What a plonker.

[fidelcastro]

Premier League.

[martin_p]

The linesman who disallowed Barnes' goal must surely have been using VAR rules, which are designed to help disallow goals. Under the old rules, Barnes was level and the goal should have stood. Under VAR rules, there is no level and the linesman has to have a guess and VAR would correct it.

Obviously Barnes's hip and the defender's back foot were very close and the linesman chose to have a guess rather than go to the old rule of being level.

Or more likely he used the good old fashioned method of calling what he thought he saw. Only a slow motion replay is going to show that maybe Barnes wasn’t offside and it was supporters complaining about officials not seeing things that are too quick for the human eye that got us to the farce that is VAR in the first place.

[dsr]

Or more likely he used the good old fashioned method of calling what he thought he saw. Only a slow motion replay is going to show that maybe Barnes wasn’t offside and it was supporters complaining about officials not seeing things that are too quick for the human eye that got us to the farce that is VAR in the first place.

If he was calling what he saw and he thought that Barnes was not level under the old rules, then it was a very poor decision. It wasn't one of those with players moving in all directions to complicate the job.

[Vegas Claret]

Premier League.

it's mental how many folks make that mistake (still)

[Jakubclaret]

They aren’t bothered in the championship there’s far less importance in getting decisions correct & mistakes are plentiful whereas in the PL where the money is scrutiny & checks take precedence, to the outside world match turning decisions are forgotten about in minutes in the championship but in the PL people rabbit on for days such as the rashford incident the other day,

[beddie]

If Premiership referees are bad, just how bad have some of the Championship referees been. Such a big gap in standards between the two levels. Maybe VAR in the championship will help but surely that’s only as good as the person(s) working it. As someone has alluded to, yesterday Mason in the Brighton game had the opportunity to look at it from all angles over a long period and still got it wrong.

[Dark Cloud]

To be fair to the lino I will say one thing. Where I sit in the JHU I I was almost directly in line and I thought Barnes was clearly offside and I'd have ruled it out, so wasn't in the least surprised when the lino flagged. I was shocked when the chap next to me said he'd had a message from his mate sitting at home watching TV to say that Barnes was actually onside.

[Lancasterclaret]

Got to admit, having looked back on the various incidents, he probably got all the big decisions right

[beddie]

To be fair to the lino I will say one thing. Where I sit in the JHU I I was almost directly in line and I thought Barnes was clearly offside and I'd have ruled it out, so wasn't in the least surprised when the lino flagged. I was shocked when the chap next to me said he'd had a message from his mate sitting at home watching TV to say that Barnes was actually onside.

Interesting that the guy watching at home said Barnes was onside, I too received a text from someone watching it at home who said Barnes was offside, just. Perhaps that highlights at times how difficult it is for Linesman with or without VAR to call it.

[bobinho]

Without a doubt VAR has changed reffing for the worst. They dont HAVE to make a decision now. They can wait til someone tells them via their earpiece what’s happened and what to do.

Sadly, I was one of those fans who berated refs and linos for years for them getting things wrong. I was looking forward to the levelling up of the playing field that VAR was going to do. How naïve of me.

I’d sooner have the on field officials and them alone making honest mistakes than the poorly managed VAR we currently have.

[Bobzuruncle]

Got to admit, having looked back on the various incidents, he probably got all the big decisions right

I tend to agree - apart from the push on Taylor for their goal and the barge in the back of Brownhill for the penalty claim.
The Barnes offside is the one I can most understand given how tight it was but even then the benefit of doubt to the striker seems to be out the window.

[Claretitus]

BHA had a stonewall pen turned down today by the great Lee Mason, on VAR duty. What a plonker.

Ah yes, Lee Mason. The walking advert, if ever there was one, for Specsavers. That handball on the goal line v PNE at the Cricket Field End that he “didn’t see” , still haunts to this day. One of the most shocking decisions I’ve ever seen during a live game. Certainly never forgotten by a large number of Clarets.

[Tricky Trevor]

The Brizzle disallowed winner against fiddlers was the same situation as the Barnes incident.
Lino on same side as the striker sees him first so sticks flag up, just as tight as the Barnes call
but if on the other line he’d see the defender first and probably give the goal.

[Marty Dobson]

From where i'm stood on the JHL the lino wasn't up with play for the Barnes 'goal' and took a guess.

[SouthLondonexile]

The referee missed some key challenges, which were obvious at the time.
As it happened it didn’t matter, if anything the recurrence of poor refereeing is making us more resilient as the season progresses.