Too good yet not good enough?

[Guitargeorge]

Statistics show that we are way above most of the other teams in the division, yet how will we fair in the Prem? Will we be good enough to show a bit more (European season apart) than we did under Dyche? Will we be just surviving, or can we see top half finishes with this team? What do you all think?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Totally depends who we bring in.

Midfield and striker need improving on where stand now to stay up.

[4midable]

Players will come.in for kompany this time

[mdd2]

Players will come in to play and for £££££££-end of

[clive40golf]

I don’t think we’re the finished article just yet. We’re only just past half way in a season of a brand new team. I think they’ll be a lot more comings and goings in the next couple of windows ( this one included). Some of the old guard and 90% of the loans will probably not be here at the start of the new season. As it stands right now, imo I think we’d struggle with this squad. Plus the standard of managers are next level as well ( VK still in top 15% of those though).

[Shaggy]

One things for sure. This team/squad eclipses any of the previous Burnley championship team/squads

[Socrates]

Don’t worry about it.

Enjoy now. Tomorrow will take care of itself.

[welsbyswife]

Plus the standard of managers are next level as well ( VK still in top 15% of those though).

How do you calculate such a precise figure of manager 'levels'? Complex algorithm?

[morpheus2]

How do you calculate such a precise figure of manager 'levels'? Complex algorithm?

[jedi_master]

I think we'll step up really well.

Need a really quality addition in central midfield though, for me.

[Hipper]

Help. I must be doing something wrong. I can't get it to equal 15%.

[Cleveleys_claret]

I don’t think we’re the finished article just yet. We’re only just past half way in a season of a brand new team. I think they’ll be a lot more comings and goings in the next couple of windows ( this one included). Some of the old guard and 90% of the loans will probably not be here at the start of the new season. As it stands right now, imo I think we’d struggle with this squad. Plus the standard of managers are next level as well ( VK still in top 15% of those though).

So we have 5 players on loan (100%)

Each player therefore is 20% of our loan total

90% suggests 4 and a half of our players won't be here next season. Which half of a player you think we will keep?

Now managers. 20 managers (100%) each being 5%.

So by top 15% you are saying VK will be in the top 3 of the managers in the top flight?

[dibraidio]

Earlier in the season I would have agreed. Now I get the feeling that we've stepped up a level.
Fulham scored 106 goals last season but only gathered 90 points losing 10 times GD +63.
I'd like to think that we're going to lose fewer games than that and get more points but we'll be some way off the number of goals scored.
We'll certainly have an excellent starting point for the summer. What remains to be seen is whether the players we're recruiting now are good enough for the Premier League because that's surely the objective.

It's an odd one because the year before Norwich won the league with 98 points losing 7 games and scoring 75 goals GD +33 and yet they were nowhere near in the Premier League. With the likes of Hanley and Gibson they had a solid defensive base for the Championship but they were too slow for the Premier League and I think that makes a big difference. I don't think we'll have the same sort of problems.

If we carry on with the same form as the full season we'll finish on 101 and score 90 goals with a goal difference of +43.
If we don't do better than that I'd be disappointed because we're a far better team than the one that played the first 10 games.
I expect to have more points and a better goal difference than when we won this division last time and I don't see why we can't go on to have an equally successful first season in the Premier League.

[Tricky Trevor]

Impossible to know. Fulham went up the other year, playing super football, spent big and went straight back down. It’s a minefield. What promoted clubs really need is for a couple of the top tier clubs to have a nightmare season.

[welsbyswife]

So we have 5 players on loan (100%)

Each player therefore is 20% of our loan total

90% suggests 4 and a half of our players won't be here next season. Which half of a player you think we will keep?

Now managers. 20 managers (100%) each being 5%.

So by top 15% you are saying VK will be in the top 3 of the managers in the top flight?

The problem you've got there Cleveleys is that you are over simplifying it. You clearly don't understand the algorithm. Best leave it to the professionals

[Jel]

Help. I must be doing something wrong. I can't get it to equal 15%.

I'm not surprised. That's how to calculate the effects of pressure on sound!

[equinox]

One thing is for sure, we can't take 15 - 20 minutes at the start of the game to get going in the Premier League, even if we got away with only conceding one we wouldn't find it as easy to turn it around.

[FeedTheArf]

Nobody knows til we get there, and that in itself brings a bit of excitement to getting back in that league.

As much as Dyche achieved here, if he'd still been here and we'd have got promoted you'd know we'd be in for a tough slog, sh*thousing our way for 17th place.

It might all come crashing down with VK, but the unknown to everything (performances, signings, different league) this season has brought a real freshness to going to watch us every week. I don't mind admitting, with the exception of THB, I hadn't heard of a single one of our signings prior to us signing them. Next season will be my 30th of watching Burnley and I have to confess under Dyche I was bored the last few seasons. Chris Wood got slated at the time for his 'comfort zone' comments - from me included I think! - but in hindsight he was spot on, even down to us as fans. Yes we performed above expectations and scrapped away, but this is a whole new model and IMO we were crying out for a fresh approach.

Bring it on!!

[kentonclaret]

Impossible to know. Fulham went up the other year, playing super football, spent big and went straight back down. It’s a minefield. What promoted clubs really need is for a couple of the top tier clubs to have a nightmare season.

The big difference is in scoring goals. That season Fulham only scored 27 goals in 38 matches. What a complete different story this time around - 32 goals scored in 20 matches thus far and sitting in 7th place. The season they went straight back down Mitrović couldn’t score for love nor money but this season has led the line superbly bagging 11 goals. That is despite missing several games out injured.

[clarethomer]

Impossible to know. Fulham went up the other year, playing super football, spent big and went straight back down. It’s a minefield. What promoted clubs really need is for a couple of the top tier clubs to have a nightmare season.

I think that is why VK looking now with next season is important. Team more settled, understand the system etc. I don't expect us to change what we do so its key he has time to prepare them and have the players in the house asap.

The unknown to us is

- whether the players will get good enough in our system to be able to do it against better players
- if we can't retain the possession like we have done - how well we cope out of possession. Think Sheff Utd and West Brom away are the only teams that have really pressured us to a point
- how players will react when they are not winning as regularly etc.

That is the unknown. I have confidence that VK and the team know how tough it is, I think that will count for a lot.

[dsr]

Did OK at Bournemouth, and not so bad at Man U for that matter.

[kentonclaret]

Impossible to know. Fulham went up the other year, playing super football, spent big and went straight back down. It’s a minefield. What promoted clubs really need is for a couple of the top tier clubs to have a nightmare season.

Perhaps the big problem was having Scott Parker in charge

[clive40golf]

How do you calculate such a precise figure of manager 'levels'? Complex algorithm?

Simple!:-
Number of managers in premiership- those who are not as good as Vinny / number of managers who are better x the age of your youngest child + a factor of 2 (for the children you don’t know about) =X%
Or you could just make an estimate of what percentage you want!
Like I said simple

[clive40golf]

So we have 5 players on loan (100%)

Each player therefore is 20% of our loan total

90% suggests 4 and a half of our players won't be here next season. Which half of a player you think we will keep?

Now managers. 20 managers (100%) each being 5%.

So by top 15% you are saying VK will be in the top 3 of the managers in the top flight?

You’ve too much time on your hands buddy
Yes you’re right, the math doesn’t add up, I’ll be more precise in my next post, if I have more time,

Let’s do a reset then:-
I think the only loan we keep will be Beyer, I don’t think we’ll be able to get ThB, and the others, imo aren’t good enough for the premiership yet. I also think Barnes,Jay,Taylor, gudmundsson, and maybe Cork will leave as well
Vinny will probably be in the top 6 managers in the premiership, taking into account technical knowledge,tactics,man management,training, nutrition ect.

[tiger76]

Did OK at Bournemouth, and not so bad at Man U for that matter.

Yes those results, and more importantly performances suggest we could hold our own in the PL, certainly I'd hope we could beat a lot of the lower half sides anyway.

[Stan Tastic]

You’ve too much time on your hands buddy
Yes you’re right, the math doesn’t add up, I’ll be more precise in my next post, if I have more time,

Let’s do a reset then:-
I think the only loan we keep will be Beyer, I don’t think we’ll be able to get ThB, and the others, imo aren’t good enough for the premiership yet. I also think Barnes,Jay,Taylor, gudmundsson, and maybe Cork will leave as well
Vinny will probably be in the top 6 managers in the premiership, taking into account technical knowledge,tactics,man management,training, nutrition ect.

How is it possible that you can still get the name of the league wrong after 15 years of it being called The Premier League?

[NRC]

Who knows. Certainly bagging record points or record goals counts for nothing. For me, IF we go up, and IF we stay up, the mystery is what we look like in season 2 up there. The newness of season 1 will be done and then we can truly start to compare the two styles of football and how they fare respectively in the PL

[warksclaret]

Depends if VK stays as he has masterminded our revival-I do however take heart in what Brentford are achieving. They have a very bright manager and they buy wisely. I saw them play yesterday and they defended magnificently. They also know how to score and can play direct when they need to.I also take heart from our showing v Man Utd and I think its fair to say if we go up we will have a stronger side, particularly up front, and then of course we beat Bournemouth comfortably. I think a good FA cup run will be fantastic for us enabling inevitably to pit our wits v other PL sides, and that will greatly benefit VK's future planning of our squad for the PL

[fatboy47]

Who knows. Certainly bagging record points or record goals counts for nothing. For me, IF we go up, and IF we stay up, the mystery is what we look like in season 2 up there. The newness of season 1 will be done and then we can truly start to compare the two styles of football and how they fare respectively in the PL

Avoid Beachy Head on this year's hols fella.

[Vino blanco]

If this new striker we are hopefully signing turns out to be as good as our other VK signings, I think we would need a 'Patrick Viera type' midfielder, plus anothet footballing, pacy striker to be ok for the PL.
Regarding THB, many are saying we won't keep him next season: if we get promotion we might just be surprised.

[clive40golf]

Regarding THB, many are saying we won't keep him next season: if we get promotion we might just be surprised.

Really hope we do. I just think Man City will want to keep him.

[clive40golf]

How is it possible that you can still get the name of the league wrong after 15 years of it being called The Premier League?

Did you get what I meant? Of course you did! It’s just that you wanted to point out something that made someone feel inferior or make yourself look superior.

How Sad!

It’s posts like yours that make people stop from contributing. Sad people picking up on every mistake. It’ll end up just a few posters and their sycophant followers.

[AfloatinClaret]

Don’t worry about it.

Enjoy now. Tomorrow will take care of itself.

That sounds more like Heraclitus than a Socratean Philosophy

[ElectroClaret]

There's at least 3 or 4 teams in the PL we'd beat with this team right now, I'd say. We've already beaten Bournemouth.

But of course, 3 of those wont be there next season.

[clive40golf]

You're calling me sad for being correct. Would you rather continue to get the name of the league wrong and have people not take you seriously?

Did you understand what I meant when I said Premiership?
Of course you did, you just wanted to belittle someone.
I don’t care wether you or anyone like you who pick faults in peoples posts, take me seriously !
You have no idea wether someone has a disability that doesn’t allow them to spell, not do math correctly or doesn’t get something right, just as long as you look superior. What did it matter if it was wrong, it’s a minor thing on the whole.
I’ve met people like you throughout my career ( I’m retired now) small minded people who live in a little world who just come out to snipe. But in reality are just nobodies
Jog on buddy, I’m sure someone else has got something wrong on the board, to make you feel superior

[NewClaret]

My gut feel is that with current squad we’d survive if promoted today, but it’d be tough going. At the end of the season, with another 30-odd games experience of playing this system under our belts and the new players integrated I might feel more optimistic than a scrappy survival.

But generally I think we’d need signings to make it more comfortable than that and I think we’d get them given ALK’s track record and Kompany’s ability to attract players.

But as Socrates says, best just to enjoy the process rather than worry about the future!

[Greenmile]

Did you understand what I meant when I said Premiership?
Of course you did, you just wanted to belittle someone.
I don’t care wether you or anyone like you who pick faults in peoples posts, take me seriously !
You have no idea wether someone has a disability that doesn’t allow them to spell, not do math correctly or doesn’t get something right, just as long as you look superior. What did it matter if it was wrong, it’s a minor thing on the whole.
I’ve met people like you throughout my career ( I’m retired now) small minded people who live in a little world who just come out to snipe. But in reality are just nobodies
Jog on buddy, I’m sure someone else has got something wrong on the board, to make you feel superior

*whether

*people’s

*maths

[clive40golf]

*whether

*people’s

*maths

Not you as well

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I think Both Math or Maths are both correct, Math being the correct abbreviation for mathematics.
I’ll give you wether,

[Vegas Claret]

Kompany will make us good enough, the guy is a relentless serial winner - he (and Bellamy to a degree) knows exactly what the requirements are in the PL. I'm not remotely concerned

[Stan Tastic]

Did you understand what I meant when I said Premiership?
Of course you did, you just wanted to belittle someone.
I don’t care wether you or anyone like you who pick faults in peoples posts, take me seriously !
You have no idea wether someone has a disability that doesn’t allow them to spell, not do math correctly or doesn’t get something right, just as long as you look superior. What did it matter if it was wrong, it’s a minor thing on the whole.
I’ve met people like you throughout my career ( I’m retired now) small minded people who live in a little world who just come out to snipe. But in reality are just nobodies
Jog on buddy, I’m sure someone else has got something wrong on the board, to make you feel superior

[welsbyswife]

Not you as well


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I think Both Math or Maths are both correct, Math being the correct abbreviation for mathematics.
I’ll give you wether,

I think you're about 15% right Clive

[clive40golf]

Fair description of what I would have done to you, only closed it a little bit harder bellend!

[Greenmile]

Not you as well


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I think Both Math or Maths are both correct, Math being the correct abbreviation for mathematics.
I’ll give you wether,

I was just joshing with you, but my innate pedantry won’t let this lie, so...

Math is correct if you’re American. In the UK we abbreviate mathematics to “maths”.

I didn’t add an “s” to your “peoples” - I added a (possessive) apostrophe.

I’ll leave you alone now

[clive40golf]

I was just joshing with you, but my innate pedantry won’t let this lie, so...

Math is correct if you’re American. In the UK we abbreviate mathematics to “maths”.

I didn’t add an “s” to your “peoples” - I added a (possessive) apostrophe.

I’ll leave you alone now

Bet you’re great fun on a night out

Yes please leave me alone

[BabylonClaret]

Arguably we need to be better than one existing Premier league team. We are already better than the two others who go up with us

[Spike]

Too early to tell depends who we buy this window and what happens to the loans.
I think Breyer is the most accessible with the best upside

[JohnMac]

Too many people are becoming obsessed with next Season. Enjoy this one first, it is very special and different to anything most fans will have experienced, ever!

UTC

[JTClaret]

63% of all facts are made up

[KRBFC]

The problem is how much will we need to spend on Tella, THB, Beyer and Maatsen to even be the same side promoted without improvements on top. I guess we're hoping Ekdal is good enough to start next season ahead of 1 of those.

The good news is with the current team, I don't think we need a lot of players to be able to compete in the division above, likely just 1 CM to replace Cork and a starting striker.

Muric
Roberts Ekdal Beyer/THB Taylor/Maatsen
NEW Cullen Brownhill
Benson NEW Zaroury

Looks a pretty good base to build around.