Lampard gone

[LDNBFC87]

Peter O'Rourke reporting he's been sacked

[jedi_master]

A shame as they were certs to go down with him. Surely that’s his managerial career over.

If Dyche doesn’t get a look in there I’m not sure where he ever goes, you’d think it’s made for him.

[tiger76]

This is a big surprise not, Lampard another big name player who's yet to prove he's a capable manager.

No doubt he'll walk with a fair wedge though talk about a reward for failure.

[kentonclaret]

Dyche still an uneasy favourite with the bookies despite Daily Mail reporting that he is no longer being considered for the role.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You can see the Everton board doing something daft and appointing Bielsa

[Nonayforever]

Kompany to Everton ?

[It Is What It Is]

SD must have marked his own card at the Turf, some stories must have got out in footy circles, hence the rapid sacking by AP plus it appears no club wants him!
Strange scenario really

[TheFamilyCat]

Kompany to Everton ?

Only if he wants to commit career suicide.

[Tricky Trevor]

You can see the Everton board doing something daft and appointing Bielsa

Reportedly being lined up by Mexico.

[LDNBFC87]

Only if he wants to commit career suicide.

With their current owners, I think it's career suicide for most!

[Lancasterclaret]

SUMMON THE DYCHE!

[LeadBelly]

Not sure this is a good move/timing by Everton if this has happened. A new manager has next to no time to assess current squad/ buy new players in this window. Big payoff to Frank/ any other management team members axed + running close to financial fair play constraints also mitigate against any big new player signings.

Would they next go for a manager to try & keep them up this season with gritty style (then replace next season) or one to achieve a longer term plan (which could involve a rebuild in the Championship)?

FL scraped them out of a fix last season (though they don't have Richarlson this time round) - can they bank on a new manager doing this?

Forrest are beginning to reap the reward of sticking with their manager after looking doomed earlier in the season (though the job isn't done fully yet).

[Croydon Claret]

Some desperate club will appoint Lampard pretty soon.

Football management seems to be the only career where multiple sackings have no bearing on your employability

[ClaretTony]

It’s been reported all morning that Lampard is on his way although nothing official as yet.

Sean Dyche is favourite with the bookies and would be a good appointment for them although they don’t often go with the best option, in fact rarely do.

[yTib]

scapegoat if true.

no doubt they'll appoint a foreigner and then give him the brass that lampard could've done with.

[HiThere]

Marcelo Bielsa and Rooney are also in the running.

[Stalbansclaret]

scapegoat if true.

no doubt they'll appoint a foreigner and then give him the brass that lampard could've done with.

I think they've already spent "the brass"(to the tune of half a billion in the last 4 or 5 years) and are now quite constrained by FFP

[ClaretTony]

I think they've already spent "the brass"(to the tune of half a billion in the last 4 or 5 years) and are now quite constrained by FFP

They wanted Danny Ings but were only able to commit to a loan

[martin_p]

Marcelo Bielsa and Rooney are also in the running.

Rooney? They might as well start selling the EFL arm badges in the club shop now!

[FeedTheArf]

Marcelo Bielsa and Rooney are also in the running.

Bielsa is a funny one. He has so many fans in the game, Pep among them, who say he's a genius, yet he's never had a job at a top top club.

[Croydon Claret]

"Lack of investment" is being touted as one of the causes

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/01/23 ... r-everton/

[bfcjg]

Owen Coyle perfecting a scouse accent as we speak.

[fidelcastro]

Joey Barton would shake it up a bit!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

"Lack of investment" is being touted as one of the causes

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/01/23 ... r-everton/

Always weird when they cite lack of investment...

[Nonayforever]

Not sure this is a good move/timing by Everton if this has happened. A new manager has next to no time to assess current squad/ buy new players in this window. Big payoff to Frank/ any other management team members axed + running close to financial fair play constraints also mitigate against any big new player signings.

Would they next go for a manager to try & keep them up this season with gritty style (then replace next season) or one to achieve a longer term plan (which could involve a rebuild in the Championship)?

FL scraped them out of a fix last season (though they don't have Richarlson this time round) - can they bank on a new manager doing this?

Forrest are beginning to reap the reward of sticking with their manager after looking doomed earlier in the season (though the job isn't done fully yet).

This one of the reasons why Dyche won't be the next manager.
In all likelihood, potential managers will have been sounded out and their business plan appraised.
From rumours a month or so back, Dyches plan involved bringing Chris Wood and other players in. That ship has now sailed along with his plan.

[Swizzlestick]

scapegoat if true.

no doubt they'll appoint a foreigner and then give him the brass that lampard could've done with.

He spent quite a bit of money. Onana, McNeil and Maupay cost best part of £60m in the summer and none of them have been a rousing success.

[ElectroClaret]

Peter O'Rourke reporting he's been sacked

He's wrong Lampard still there.
However, it cant be too many hours till he's out.

[RVclaret]

Not sure he’s a scapegoat. There’s a decent enough team in there. He’s lost 8 of the last 9 games and basically shown no signs of progress at all since he was appointed.

[AfloatinClaret]

This is a big surprise not, Lampard another big name player who's yet to prove he's a capable manager.

I've long held a theory that 'gifted' players rarely make good managers/coaches as they really don't know how they did 'it' they just could, whereas a journeyman player who had to graft/practice/work at the game is more likely to be able to pass on how you can improve as a player.

[1882Clarets1882]

Owen Coyle perfecting a scouse accent as we speak.

Well, he was fluent in bullshoite !

[RMutt]

Some desperate club will appoint Lampard pretty soon.

Football management seems to be the only career where multiple sackings have no bearing on your employability

I can think of one obvious career….. cabinets might be involved, but not making them.

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[claretonthecoast1882]

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He would be better with it saying "Nil gravy by mouth"

[Cirrus_Minor]

He hasn't been sacket yet, although all reports suggesting that he will be. He is probably playing hardball over his compensation. Blaming lack of investment is laughable. A club where supporterterd think they should never be relegated are in for a rude awakening.

[Claret Toni]

I've long held a theory that 'gifted' players rarely make good managers/coaches as they really don't know how they did 'it' they just could, whereas a journeyman player who had to graft/practice/work at the game is more likely to be able to pass on how you can improve as a player.

By and large I think you are correct, however some of exceptions where gifted footballers have done the business:

Kenny Dalglish, at Liverpool
Zinedine Zidane, at Real Madrid
Kenny Dogleash, at Horse Botherers

[yTib]

brian clough at derby and forest.

[Firthy]

I've long held a theory that 'gifted' players rarely make good managers/coaches as they really don't know how they did 'it' they just could, whereas a journeyman player who had to graft/practice/work at the game is more likely to be able to pass on how you can improve as a player.

And just to prove your theory wrong along comes VK

[Stayingup]

And just to prove your theory wrong along comes VK

He did say RARELY.

[Devils_Advocate]

He did say RARELY.

Rarely do football players full stop become good managers as the ratio of football players to good managers is many to few. I guess you'd need to see what % of good players become good managers and compare it with what % of players become good managers to have a stat on this that is meaningful in anyway

[jrgbfc]

I've long held a theory that 'gifted' players rarely make good managers/coaches as they really don't know how they did 'it' they just could, whereas a journeyman player who had to graft/practice/work at the game is more likely to be able to pass on how you can improve as a player.

I agree with the point you're making, but I'm not sure I'd describe Lampard as a naturally gifted player. He struck me as someone who worked really hard on his game and probably overachieved, for the talent he had.

[beddie]

I think Dyche would only take the job if there’s was harmony with their current Board.

[Culmclaret]

They’ve spent half a billion to get to 19th place in the PL!

[Claret Toni]

Rarely do football players full stop become good managers as the ratio of football players to good managers is many to few. I guess you'd need to see what % of good players become good managers and compare it with what % of players become good managers to have a stat on this that is meaningful in anyway

Is it just me that thinks this is a bit odd:

"Rarely do football players full stop become good managers as the ratio of football players to good managers is many to few."

Might this be because there's many football players (perhaps 30 to 40 at a club) but only 1 manager; who might be good bad or indifferent.

Then we move along to talking about good players - could be helpful to have a common understanding of good player; be they internationals of teams that won more than they lost for example, premiership players who've won trophies or appeared more than 200 times.

Managers - when do they become good? Winning the Champions League (Roberto di Matteo?), several promotions (Eddie Howe?), working on a shoestring and exceeding expectations (Gareth Ainsworth?), developing players. Just some observations on how good might be measured?, or is me playing devils advocate.

[ElectroClaret]

I think Dyche would only take the job if there’s was harmony with their current Board.

On the 14th of January, the club security advisers told the board members to stay away from their home game with Southampton "for their own safety." (Guardian)

It appears the only harmony is the board members being loathed equally.
Toxic stuff.

[BurnleyFC]

Not sure he’s a scapegoat. There’s a decent enough team in there. He’s lost 8 of the last 9 games and basically shown no signs of progress at all since he was appointed.

Spot on.

Lampard did a decent job at Derby and a good job in his first season at Chelsea but he’s been beyond dreadful since.

[ClaretTony]

Sacking confirmed

[RVclaret]

Now being reported by all the main men. He's done.

Nixon reckons they want Brentford boss Thomas Frank. Personally can't see any reason why Frank would take that move.

[Spijed]

Personally can't see any reason why Frank would take that move.

How much will he be on at Brentford?

[RVclaret]

How much will he be on at Brentford?

Not sure but he just signed a new 5 year deal a month ago.

[RicardoMontalban]

Not sure but he just signed a new 5 year deal a month ago.

Think I remember seeing him mentioned as the lowest paid Premier League manager on about £1.5pa before he signed him a new deal. Imagine he’d have had a wee bump but it must still be significantly less than the £5m Lampard was quoted as being on (admittedly The S*n)