Based on the comment you have made for your school for section B, you should surely be scoring a very low mark for consistency. The score of 25 means perfect consistency to both sidesMilltown1882 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:09 pm4 (one where we had two v one in watfords favour and he gave us advantage)
25 - consistently in watfords favour
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The worst ref we will see for a long long time.
Did you watch live? The replay on the telly clearly shows the ref got that one right. I was also shouting penalty on first viewing.
I will start with one. The Laws of the Game state the goalkeeper is allowed to hold the ball for six seconds. The sanction for holding it longer is an indirect free kick. At least twice tonight, when the keeper had held the ball for probably more than twice the permitted length of time, he waved at the keeper to get the ball back into play. When ignored he waved again a little more frantically, and eventually the keeper did release the ball. Is it only in the professional game that referees are allowed to ignore the written Laws and apply something completely different. If a local league ref did that he would get hammered by the assessor.
It’s an interesting point but you can hardly pin the blame on this ref for a law that is universally ignored across the game by every single referee without exception.Claretincraven wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:34 pmI will start with one. The Laws of the Game state the goalkeeper is allowed to hold the ball for six seconds. The sanction for holding it longer is an indirect free kick. At least twice tonight, when the keeper had held the ball for probably more than twice the permitted length of time, he waved at the keeper to get the ball back into play. When ignored he waved again a little more frantically, and eventually the keeper did release the ball. Is it only in the professional game that referees are allowed to ignore the written Laws and apply something completely different. If a local league ref did that he would get hammered by the assessor.
Was that the one when the ref stopped Tella taking a quick throwing?quoonbeatz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:51 pmTheir guy who suddenly started rolling about with no one near him off the pitch was a good one. He got straight up when he realised he wasn't getting a free kick which was impressive given he'd just been in the throes of death.
Quite why a referees just dont go straight up and book players for that, I have no idea. The players are taking the **** out of the ref. It just shows how weak they are when they do nothing about it.
Totally different view of his performance. I took had to make do with the TV. In the first half hour, with the crowd getting at him, he was getting most things right but his game management was awful, too many stoppages, treating similar incidents in different ways. He made a right arse of the Hoedt/Barnes situation at set pieces. Quite how he carded Barnes and not Hoedt is beyond me and given what he'd seen initially, he should then have seen the penalty. By the end, I thought he'd lost a lot of control.
Yeah, the blonde sub just started convulsing like a snake had bitten himSteve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:52 pmWas that the one when the ref stopped Tella taking a quick throwing?
Spot onxxmunkyennuixx wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:32 pmA - 10
B - 5
C - 18
D - 6
Some really strange decisions. Not sure why the time added on was not in double figures. Their goalkeeper wasn't too bad but the corner sequence second half, the large number of subs, the play acting, the kicking the ball away and him not having control meaning that he pulled players to the side constantly must have equalled more than six minutes. Some real soft free kicks for Watford early on meant that the game was a mess to control - both sides looking to take advantage of him. Just thought his threshold for what he felt was a foul was all over the place. His style also meant for a bitty game so we struggled to get any flow going. Instead of having a conversation make a decision and move on or book them and move on. Don't stand there chatting and then not add it on.
He wasn't the reason we didn't play well though.
Ha, typical Brazilian who’s idol I’m sure will be Neymar. It’s no surprise.quoonbeatz wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:57 pmYeah, the blonde sub just started convulsing like a snake had bitten him
Agree with this. I haven't seen any 'incidents' back, but my brother seemed to be watching an entirely different game to me as I thought the ref called most of the decisions correctly. He seemed to lack a bit of control and discipline but as you rightly point out, the players on both sides were trying every trick in the book to con him.claretspice wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:49 amAgain, this has just dissolved into a claret-tinted ref-bashing exercise.
Ref was fine. Same weakness as virtually every ref these days - it's clearly a policy thing - in that he didn't clamp down on time wasting/ slowing the game down early enough. BUt we've only started caring about that as Burnley fans this season.
He might well have missed a slap or similar on Al-Dakhil from the set play, but there was a lot going on and unfortunately to expect a ref to have eyes on everything is asking the impossible.
You can always pick holes in the odd decision (when we're getting into a moving ball for one team but not the other we are getting pedantic, and in any event if its the one im thinking of i thought he pulled Burnley back for taking it from the wrong place - he certainly allowed a couple of moving balls by Burnley). But his general decision making was fine. He let a few meaty challenges that might have been bookings (one on Zaroury, one by Brownhill) go with just a foul, and booked players for fouls he considered more cynical because they stopped a player who was in a promising position (Roberts, the lad on Tella in front of the CFS). It's not his fault that both sets of players resorted to niggling and handbags in the second half. He didn't make the game bitty - the players did (Watford deliberately, and us by getting frustrated and falling into their trap).
Refereeing a game like that is a very tough job made harder by the players. There needs to be more respect, and it isn't hardwired into this feature currently.
Totally agree!claretspice wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:49 amAgain, this has just dissolved into a claret-tinted ref-bashing exercise.
Ref was fine. Same weakness as virtually every ref these days - it's clearly a policy thing - in that he didn't clamp down on time wasting/ slowing the game down early enough. BUt we've only started caring about that as Burnley fans this season.
He might well have missed a slap or similar on Al-Dakhil from the set play, but there was a lot going on and unfortunately to expect a ref to have eyes on everything is asking the impossible.
You can always pick holes in the odd decision (when we're getting into a moving ball for one team but not the other we are getting pedantic, and in any event if its the one im thinking of i thought he pulled Burnley back for taking it from the wrong place - he certainly allowed a couple of moving balls by Burnley). But his general decision making was fine. He let a few meaty challenges that might have been bookings (one on Zaroury, one by Brownhill) go with just a foul, and booked players for fouls he considered more cynical because they stopped a player who was in a promising position (Roberts, the lad on Tella in front of the CFS). It's not his fault that both sets of players resorted to niggling and handbags in the second half. He didn't make the game bitty - the players did (Watford deliberately, and us by getting frustrated and falling into their trap).
Refereeing a game like that is a very tough job made harder by the players. There needs to be more respect, and it isn't hardwired into this feature currently.
I also generally agree with what Spice said, but at the end of the day game management and timekeeping are very important, and adding just 6 minutes on was a complete joke.
I have just watched it back numerous times. It happened in the 62nd minute. There was no play acting from Al-Dakhil, he received a back slap to the face. The replays clearly show this and was also picked up by the commentators. As for being a man down from the following corner, we should have scored. Tella missed from point blank range.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:19 amAgree with this. I haven't seen any 'incidents' back,
On this note, I've got to say I was quite disappointed by the antics of some of our players last night. We were taking some momentum into the final 15 minutes yet some of our players were choosing to play-act which did nothing but to slow the game down. I'm specifically thinking of Tella's dive in the BL/JM corner, and Al-Dakhil's attempt at getting Hoedt sent off which resulted in him feigning injury, receiving 'treatment' and us being a man light when attacking the corner. Poor from Burnley, and leaves us very little room to criticise the referee.
I will need to see it again, but whilst I have no doubt he was caught, it looked very soft and certainly not enough to require treatment. The overreaction suggested he was looking to get Hoedt sent off.Raconteur wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:21 pmI have just watched it back numerous times. It happened in the 62nd minute. There was no play acting from Al-Dakhil, he received a back slap to the face. The replays clearly show this and was also picked up by the commentators. As for being a man down from the following corner, we should have scored. Tella missed from point blank range.