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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Exsus » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:09 am

Clive 1960 wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:53 am
Before I give my scores in the end it was a excellent point given the circumstances of there goal and Byer being injured at least we saw the two new centre Half's.
Muric 4
Roberts 6
Mattasen 5
Beyer 5
Ekdal 7
Cullen 8
Brownhill 6
JBG 6
ZAROURY 6
Tella 6
Barnes 6
Subs all 6
Bayer 5 ..?
Up until he had to retire having made yet another last ditch tackle he was far and away the best player for us.
Funny old game..🤷
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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by fungus_the_bogeyman » Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:42 am

Muric 3
Roberts 6
Maatsen 4
Beyer 7
Ekdal 8*
Cullen 8
Brownhill 5
Gudmundsson 7
Tella 5
Zaroury 5
Barnes 6

Peacock-Farrell 6
Al-Dakhil 7

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Clive 1960 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:28 am

Exsus wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:09 am
Bayer 5 ..?
Up until he had to retire having made yet another last ditch tackle he was far and away the best player for us.
Funny old game..🤷
He's been a breath of fresh air for us but he wasn't on that long and the replacement played very well that is how I mark them down , only my opinion.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by jmu1 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:51 am

Muric 5
Roberts 7
Bayer 7
Eid al 7
Maatsen 6
Cullen 8
JBG 7
Brownhill 6
Zaroury 6
Barnes 6

BPF 6
Al Dakhil 7

Disrupted but still the better team overall
Bro

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by jmu1 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:54 am

Tella 6

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by CryerBFC » Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:10 am

Muric - 5 - his distribution wasnt coming off but part of me thinks that was due to a gaping hole in midfield
Roberts - 7 - unlucky to go off, thought maatsen was the worse of the two full backs
Ekdal - 7 - on another day maybe helps Muric out a little with the second ball, but other than that steady
Bayer - 7 - hopefully not out for too long
Maatsen - 5 - worst game I've seen from him in a while
Cullen - 8 - MOM, as many have said, without him could have been a lot different
Brownhill - 5 - not sure what he was asked to do last night, but playing further forward and leaving JBG to fill in left us exposed
Tella - 7 - good pressing, unlucky not to score with the one on the line
Zaroury - 6 - not his night unfortunately
Barnes - 6 - dropped a bit too deep, struggled to get back into the box, and became more concerned on getting their CH booked

BPF - 7 - nothing to do really but an extra point for throwing Watford off guard coming up for the late corner
Al-Dakhil - 7 - did well, tried to move the ball quickly and his pace recovered well a few times
Foster - 6
Obafemi - 7 - +1 for the goal
Twine - 6

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:35 am

The thread in which we already have a premier league team needs revisiting I suspect after this

Watford have a lot of premier league players, and a decent game plan, add us being a bit off it and a very weak referee and it was going to be a struggle

We didn't deserve to lose though, and its good to have a battle like this when it all seems too easy for us

Everyone get refocused for the next game and take the experience from it

Muric 4 - passing a lot off and you can't make mistakes like that
Roberts 7 - solid and dependable
Ekdal 7 - couple of stray passes, but dealt really well considering how little he's been here
Beyer 7 - hope its not a serious injury
Maatsen 5 - tried to get us going, but he was miles off it tonight
Tella 6 - wrong decision on a few occasions, and looked a bit of it
Brownhill 6 - can't dominate against a midfield like this but kept going
Cullen 8* - kept us ticking over, in a really rich vein of form at the moment
JBG 7 - best of our wingers, so surprised he was taken off
Zaurory 6 - another who made the wrong decisions a few times, and against a better opponent - still dangerous though
Barnes 6 - he got involved in the battle Watford wanted, and that is something he's been brilliant at avoiding.

Subs
Al 7 - thought he was great, looks a real player
Twine 6
Foster 6 - battled away, but how on earth did he miss that header at the end
Obefemi 6 - scored, but he was dire before that

Hopefully this will serve as a bit of a wake up call for them about being a bit complacent, but despite that Watford only scored after a howler and were playing dead from minute 1 so they know how good we are

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:58 am

Muric 5
Roberts 6
Ekdal 7
Beyer 6
Maatsen 6
Cullen 7
Brownhill 6
Gudmundsson 7
Tella 7
Zaroury 7
Barnes 5

Al Dakhil 6
Peacock-Farrell 7
Foster 6
Twine 6

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:09 am

Muric 4
Roberts 6
Ekdal 7
Beyer 6
Maatsen 4
Cullen 7
Brownhill 6
Gudmundsson 6
Tella 5
Zaroury 5
Barnes 4

Al Dakhil 6
Peacock-Farrell 7
Foster 6
Twine 6

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Benson » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:21 am

Muric 4
Roberts 6
Ekdal 7
Beyer 7
Maatsen 5
Cullen 7
Brownhill 6
Gudmundsson 6
Tella 6
Zaroury 6
Barnes 6

Al Dakhil 6
Peacock-Farrell 6
Foster 6
Twine 6

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by JohnMac » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:31 am

Muric 5 - One error but he is a Keeper and it is always over dramatised when they make a costly mistake
Roberts 6 - Solid
Beyer 7 - Thought he was our best player until the unfortunate injury
Ekdal 7* - Has slotted into the side without fuss and kept it cool at the back
Maatsen 5 - Not his best game, especially some sloppy passing albeit Watford knew how to close down the gaps
Cullen 7 - Kept it moving throughout, he is a classy player at this level no doubt.
Brownhill 6 - Moved around due to reshaping and tried to keep us on the front foot
Tella 6 - Very busy and unfortunate not to score
Gudmundsson 6 - Another who was very busy throughout
Zaroury 6 - In and out of the game, knew going outside wasn't the easier option
Barnes 6 - Kept up a silly battle with the Centre Backs beyond what was really required, unlucky early doors with the shot.

Al-Dakhil 7 - Came in seamlessly
BPF 6 - Never had to do much at all but was an excellent distraction for the equaliser

Hard to be too harsh when we have been playing to such a high standard now for several months. We didn't deserve to win but certainly never deserved to lose this game. A fair result.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by AlargeClaret » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:31 am

Muric 4 dreadful howler and passing off too.
Roberts 6 steady enough
Ekdal 7 our best player last night
Beyer 6 not a lot to do early sub
Maatsen 5 quiet night really bit off
Cullen 6 ticked over nicely kept the momentum
Brownhill 6 not his best but grafted
Gudmundsson 6 nice late corner
Tella 6 lively early but faded
Zaroury 6 ok but their RB was keen
Barnes 5 too deep for his abilities

Twine -6
Peacock-Farrell 6- nowt to do
Foster 6- jury’s still out
Al Dak-6 seems calm enough

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by ashtonlongsider » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:35 am

Muric 4
Roberts 6
Ekdal 7
Beyer 7
Maatsen 5
Cullen 8*
Brownhill 6
Tella 5
Guðmundsson 5
Zaroury 5
Barnes 6

BPF 7
Al-Dakhil 7
Twine-Can't mark him as he wasn't on long enough but he impressed me with his cameo. From my vantage point he was the only player who wanted to get the game restarted quickly and search for a winner after we'd equalised. That told me a lot about his character.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by the_magic_rat » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:35 am

Muric 4 (Peacock-Farrell 6)

Roberts 7
Ekdal 7
Beyer 7 (Al Dakhil 7)
Maatsen 5

Cullen 7
Brownhill 7
Gudmundsson 7 (Twine 6)

Barnes 6 (Foster 6)
Tella 6 (Obefemi 6)
Zaroury 6

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Luppy » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:40 am

Muric - 4

Roberts - 7
Beyer - 7
Ekdal - 7
Maatsen - 6

Cullen - 8*
Bronwhill - 5
JBG - 7 - his substitution was baffling

Tella - 5
Barnes - 6
Zaroury - 5

Al-Dakhil- 7
BLF - 6

Some really harsh marks on here. Have we got to the stage where if we don’t win we throw 3s and 4s about for fun? Watford did a Dyche Burnley on us - organised, big, broke play up, played on the edge. But - we kept going and deserved a point

Some strange substitutions, and in the end we had no shape. We looked most likely through JBG who moved the ball well and was his usual assured self - amazed when he came off. Neither wide men were on it - credit to their full backs who kept them under wraps.

On to the next one - UTC

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by scamander » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:43 am

Muric - 3.
Roberts - 6
Ekdal - 7
Beyer - 7
Maatsen - 6
Cullen - 6
Brownhill - 5. I only watch games on TV (so my opinion of him isn't as informed as most on here) but his decision making and technical ability isn't good.
JBG - 6
Tella - 6. Needs to stay on his feet otherwise he'll get himself a reputation. Assuming we go up VAR could cause him issues with the silliness.
Barnes - 4. Leadership isn't fighting everyone and missed good opportunities (a chance and pass). Played too deep.
Zaroury - 6. Can't rely on him each week for a worldy. Needed to go outside a bit more as he became predictable.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Zenwisdom » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:55 am

Post Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:31 am

Muric 5 - One error but he is a Keeper and it is always over dramatised when they make a costly mistake
Roberts 6 - Solid
Beyer 7 - Thought he was our best player until the unfortunate injury
Ekdal 7* - Has slotted into the side without fuss and kept it cool at the back
Maatsen 5 - Not his best game, especially some sloppy passing albeit Watford knew how to close down the gaps
Cullen 7 - Kept it moving throughout, he is a classy player at this level no doubt.
Brownhill 6 - Moved around due to reshaping and tried to keep us on the front foot
Tella 6 - Very busy and unfortunate not to score
Gudmundsson 6 - Another who was very busy throughout
Zaroury 6 - In and out of the game, knew going outside wasn't the easier option
Barnes 6 - Kept up a silly battle with the Centre Backs beyond what was really required, unlucky early doors with the shot.

Al-Dakhil 7 - Came in seamlessly
BPF 6 - Never had to do much at all but was an excellent distraction for the equaliser

Hard to be too harsh when we have been playing to such a high standard now for several months. We didn't deserve to win but certainly never deserved to lose this game. A fair result.
Agree based on it being a pantomime and Barns getting in on the act also some players looked tired

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by ksrclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:05 am

Muric 4 - we know he has an almighty error in him and it cost us last night. I hope he can overcome this side of his game because I want him to be our first choice keeper in the PL as he gives us so much. Even though his passing was also dire last night, he produced a couple of long kicks that were great

Roberts 6 - average game

Ekdal 7 - shaky from the right hand side but I thought he was excellent in the second half on the left side.

Beyer 7 - good game. Hope he’s okay.

Maatsen 5 - actually thought he stood up to Sarr very well defensively, but unfortunately his woeful passing set the tone for us being way below our best with the ball

Brownhill 5 - didn’t influence the game at all

Cullen 8 - as I’ve said we were way below our best, yet I can recall only once when he gave the ball away despite being given much less time and space to work with. He’s a PL midfielder no doubt

Gudmundsson 7 - was playing well and operating impressively in the congested midfield area. Have to agree with those who thought his substitution cost us our rhythm.

Tella 5 - always tried but their left back shut him out of the game

Barnes 5 - it never looks pretty when Barnes has an off-day and tonight was no exception. Couldn’t beat to watch the pathetic play acting from those corners

Zaroury 5 - not his night but that’s the life of a winger. Delivery mostly crap

Al-Dakhil 6 - nothing wrong at all there, but was a little safe with his passing, understandably. Will get two very tough examinations at Luton and Millwall which will tell us if he’s ready.

Peacock-Farrell 6 - fine

Twine - can’t mark but I was really pleased with what he offered. Always played forward and found some very nice passes. Still want to see much more of him.


If we score that chance after 40 seconds we probably go on to win comfortably. As it was Watford were very tactically astute and shut down many of our passing lanes, and we got very raggedy with the ball. The error from Muric and the injury to Beyer had the feel of one of those nights, but again we found a way to prevent defeat.

A word for some of the comments on this board after the game. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Can’t handle drawing a game after winning the last 10? Embarrassing.
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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Pickles » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:11 am

Muric 4
Roberts 6
Ekdal 8
Beyer 7
Maatsen 5
Cullen 7
Brownhill 6
Gudmundsson 7
Tella 6
Zaroury 6
Barnes 6

Peacock-Farrell 7
Al-Dakhil 7

Not our usual selves, passing all over the pitch was poor by our brilliant standards. But a good reminder of the paddy-throwers and temper-tantrummers we have on this forum when Burnley have the temerity not to win every game.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by jdrobbo » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:14 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:58 pm
Everyone around me was convinced he should have caught it, I just wondered if he had he might have carried outside the box. If he could have caught it, he should have.
Big fan of Muric but with the speed of travel of that ball, Muric should have had the decision making ability to stop and anticipate the ball bouncing up into his hands. Unfortunately he ran almost into the bounce.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Ric_C » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:15 am

Started really well, should have scored after 40 seconds. Struggled against a fitter opponent who had all the dark arts tricks in the book. Kep the unbeaten run going, and that's the sign of a good side when we still pick up a point when not playing well.

Also if you look at the stats, we pretty much dominated the game, and they only scored due to our howler, so not all bad.

Muric 5 - Apparently was ill last night, so will let him off.
Roberts 7 - Did fine again
Beyer 7 - Lino got him injured, hope he's not out for too long
Ekdal 8 - Looks a player
Maatsen 6 - Did fine, has played better though
Cullen 8* - Our best player on the night
Brownhill 6 - Felt as though he slowed the play down too much tonight
Tella 6 - Got verytightly marked, should have scored from the corner flick on 60 mins
Gudmundsson 6 - Did ok
Zaroury 6 - Not his day, but still a threat
Barnes 6 - Should have stayed away from their alehouse tactics, he should know better.

Al-Dakhil 7 - Another potentially good signing
BPF 6 - Did fine
Foster - 6 Beat them up a little which was good to see
Obafemi - 6 Think he was playing slightly out of position but was Jonny on the spot

Make no mistake, this is the point that could win us the title. Bit of a reality check also that this can be an unforgiving league when you are slightly off it.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Claret Toni » Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:41 am

Muric 4 - Mistake for the goal, but passing was also way below his usual standards
Roberts 7 - Decent
Ekdal 6 - Carried the ball well at times, but gave the ball away too much
Beyer 7 - Another impressive contribution
Maatsen 5 - Passing well below his usual best
Tella 6 - Up against a decent defender, but kept trying. Control let him down a bit when coolness was required
Brownhill 6 - Good energy, but struggled to impose himself
Cullen 8 - Metronome- played well
JBG 7 - Class some good play from him but should have taken his chance when poor control let him down
Zaurory 6 - Also up against a good defender who minimised his effectiveness, but kept trying
Barnes 5 - Old style Barnes- he's better when he doesn't get drawn into the type of shenanigans we saw last night

Subs
Peacock-Farrell 6 - Not a lot to do, and looked nervous in possession at time, but was effective
Al Dakhil 7 - Impressive, decent on the ball and defended well
Twine 6 - Somewhat peripheral. Carries the ball which was a bit different from our usual quick pass the way you're facing
Foster 6 - Came on and tried to play football, think there's a player when he settle in. Missed a sitter though
Obefemi 6 - Spared Foster's blushes with the goal, he conceded cheap free kicks which was just playing into their time wasting hands

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by CaptJohn » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:23 am

Muric made a "horlicks" out of that clearance but some of his passing was wayward as well. Let's put it down to illness and move on.

Zaroury was doubled up on every time he got the ball. It's something he'll have to get used to but will work it out. He needs Maatsen to be the out ball in those situations and for Maatsen to drive into the inevitable space that it creates.

We missed Benson wide right to stretch their defence.

JBG went missing after the 1st 20 minutes and was rightly hooked.

We've recently seen the best of Ash but last night we saw the worst. He was drawn into a war with their CB which did not suit his new style of play.

Impressed with Al Dakhil. Thrown into a pressure situation and handled it well.

Credit to Watford. They had a game plan and it damned near worked. Very impressed with the fact that we drove them back so well in the 2nd half because Bilic did not want them defending so deep. It was sheer pressure on our part.

I thought the ref must have come on the Watford team coach, the way he favoured them in the 1st half.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Casper2 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:28 am

Muric 3
Roberts 5
Ekdal 6
Beyer 7
Maatsen 4
Cullen 8
Brownhill 5
Tella 5
Guðmundsson 6
Zaroury 4
Barnes 6

Al-Dakhil 7
Peacock-Farrell 7

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Casper2 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:30 am

I thought the ref must have come on the Watford team coach, the way he favoured them in the 1st half.

Wasn’t he from Sheffield?

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by quoonbeatz » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:34 am

Casper2 wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:30 am
I thought the ref must have come on the Watford team coach, the way he favoured them in the 1st half.

Wasn’t he from Sheffield?
M6 was shut though, might have picked him up on the way.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:08 pm

Muric 4
Roberts 6
Ekdal 6
Beyer 6
Maatsen 4

Cullen 7
Brownhill 6
JBG 7 **
Tella 5
Zaroury 7

Barnes 5

Al-Dakhil 7
BPF 7
Foster 6

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by MancunianClaret » Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:11 pm

Muric 6
Roberts 6
Ekdal 6
Beyer 7
Maatsen 6
Cullen 6
Brownhill 5
Gudmundsson 6
Tella 6
Zaroury 5
Barnes 6

Al Dakhil 7
Peacock-Farrell 6
Twine 6
Foster 5

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Stantheman » Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:35 pm

Muric 3
Roberts 7
Beyer 8
Ekdal 8
Maatsen 5
Brownhill 6
Cullen 8
Jbg 6
Tella 5
Barnes 6
Zaroury 5

Pkf 7
Al dakhill 7
Twine 6
Foster 6

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by CJA » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:34 pm

Muric 3 If there was a 2 he would get it. His distribution was appalling, apart from gifting a goal his whole game was just not anywhere near what is required and it affected the whole team in the first half. If as reported he was ill then he can be excused.
Roberts 7 Thought he did as well as anyone working the whole length of the right side.
Beyer 8 Best player on the pitch whilst it lasted hope he is OK as we really need him
Ekdal 7 could have been better on the goal and gave a few dodgy passes but was much more assured in the second half
Maatsen 4 Worst performance he has put in this season. Passes weren't just astray but straight to the Watford players on more than one occasion, positioning on wrong side of attackers more than once. Hope this is just a one off blip
Brownhill 7 Worked hard all night but things did not work out, often presented with little option for a positive ball
Cullen 7 Worked hard and was much more effective as the match progressed had a good second half
JBG 7 Thought he did OK could have been better with the control in the 1st minute when put through but was solid.
Tella 5 Not really at his best unfortunately
Barnes 6 Got distracted by Watford theatricals in second half needs to remember his new role not his old one
Zaroury 6 Some good patches but too often cutting inside, full back had that move covered all night
Al- Dakhil 7 looked solid and assured
BPF 7 solid calm and his presence in the box help distract Watford for the goal
Foster 6 Needs more game time pity he could not steer the header in that hit the post which led to the goal.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by claretspice » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:47 pm

A point gained, and some lessons learned.

Muric - 5 - Rattled early by a very aggressive and well-organised press from Watford cutting down his passing options, resulting in some dodgy distribution and, ultimately him getting himself in an almighty tangle for the goal.

Roberts - 7 - Steady away and did a good job of talking Al Dakhil through the game whilst on the pitch.

Maatsen - 5- Superb in the first 5 minutes with some gorgeous long range passing, but quickly got rattled and it was downhill from there.

Beyer - 8 - Our best player whilst on the pitch both defensively and in progressing the ball.

Ekdal - surprised at the low marks, he gave the ball away a couple of times but he's only been in the country and with his team mates for 3 weeks, and in the second half in particular his one v one defending was very impressive against physical, athletic opponents who might have fancied their chances.

Cullen - 8 - Playing really well at the minute and this was another good push and run performance- the only criticism being that a couple of times he might have shot or played a killer pass around the edge of the box, and he hesitated.

Brownhill - 5- plenty of energy but the quality wasn't always there, and whilst I'm sure the floating role was part of a tactical plan, we missed the second pivot in midfield against a well organised press and physical opposition.

Gudmundsson - 7 - a reasonably solid nights work, without really threatening to unlock the door.

Tella - 5 - well shackled by their left back and when he did get the other side his final ball was hit and miss.

Zaroury - 6 - A somewhat wasteful night but still an outlet despite being double marked and some of his short passing was effective even if his crossing wasn't.

Barnes - 6 - One of our best players for an hour, but then allowed himself to get frustrated and sucked into a wrestling match that he wasn't going to win either with Hoedt or the ref.

Al Dakhil - 7 - took 20 minutes to settle but the last half hour was very promising indeed.

BPF - 7 - absolutely fine but never tested.

Foster - 7 - Thought he shaped up nicely last night but bailed out for a missed sitter by Obafemi.

Twine - 7 - thought he progressed the ball nicely in his time on the pitch.


A frustrating night when not everything went our way, but we kept going and in the end grabbed a good, and deserved, point. Watford have under-performed this season, but they're a team with Premier League players and in the event they were the best team we've played this season (give or take Sheffield United) and gave us a proper Premier League style test. It was a good yardstick for us and it showed up both good things (we basically dictated the game throughout, were unlucky to be behind at half time and played the entire second half in their half) and limitations (the number of rimes we turned over possession cheaply in the first half in particular under pressure and a proper good press, and the way that we struggled to commit defenders in the second half and ultimately got dragged down into a scrap to the detriment of our football).

No-one would criticise VK's team selection I don't think given how well it worked v Preston, but the biggest lesson from last night for me was that against the better teams, and certainly in the Premier League where we'll face a really strong press every week, we can't empty midfield and leave Cullen as the only pivot/receiver. Roberts and Maatsen stepped in as they often do yesterday, but they're not as good at receving the ball on the half turn under pressure and progressing it into the middle third and beating the press - and as a result we badly missed Cork alongside Cullen. Had Brownhill dropped back, that might have helped, but he didn't and it's not really his strength in any event, so particularly with JBG as a natural attacker, we ended up a bit lopsided and struggling to establish the control over the middle third that's generally been our strength this season.

The other lesson is to play the game, and not get sucked into nonsense with a ref who has already indicated he's not sympathetic. We wasted 20 minutes last night from the 55th to 75th minute getting drawn into silly season.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:03 pm

We definitely weren't at it like we normally are - but they are very high standards. I actually don't think we played that badly....we just didn't take our chances in the first half, conceded a very sloppy goal from a mistake and then found it hard to break down a very physical, savvy team who tried to break the game up as often as possible. We played some decent football at times and, if we were clinical, would have had 2 or 3 goals in the first half.

Also, thought we lost all shape with too many forwards on the pitch. I get that we were desperately trying to salvage something from the game but there was no shape or cohesion. We'd have been better leaving JBG on as a winger and slinging balls into the box for a couple of forwards to attack.

That said, it's a point gained which turned out to be a good point with 2nd v 3rd facing off tonight. Something has to give in that game so not all bad.

Muric 5

Roberts 7
Beyer 8
Ekdal 8
Maatsen 6

Cullen 8
Brownhill 6
JBG 7

Tella 7
Barnes 6
Zaroury 5

Al Dakhil 7
Peacock-Farrell 6

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Post by HuncoatClaret » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:29 pm

Muric - 4

Roberts - 7
Beyer - 7
Ekdal - 7
Maatsen - 5

Cullen - 8
Bronwhill - 5 lucky to get 90 mins
JBG - 8 *- surprised he got hooked instead of Brownhill

Tella - 5
Barnes - 5
Zaroury - 5
Subs
Twine - 7 very tidy with the ball
Al-Dakhil- 7
BLF - 6

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Post by Claret » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:40 pm

Muric 5
Roberts 7
Ekdal 7
Beyer 6
Maatsen 7
Cullen 7
Brownhill 6
Gudmundsson 8
Tella 7
Zaroury 5
Barnes 8

Al-Dakhil 7
BPF 7
Foster 5
Twine 7

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:15 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:14 am
Big fan of Muric but with the speed of travel of that ball, Muric should have had the decision making ability to stop and anticipate the ball bouncing up into his hands. Unfortunately he ran almost into the bounce.
Having watched it back, Fairly sure if he had caught it he would have carried out of the box and been sent off. So not sure he could have done much else than what he did.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by jdrobbo » Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:34 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:15 pm
Having watched it back, Fairly sure if he had caught it he would have carried out of the box and been sent off. So not sure he could have done much else than what he did.
He should’ve stopped prior to that happening, a good few feet back inside his box, with no intention of catching the ball on the move, as like you said, that would have left momentum potentially causing an issue.

I’m pretty sure that he continued his run because his intention was to try and play the ball with a part of his body that was not his hands in order to keep play alive.

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Post by Duffer_ » Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:46 pm

Muric 4
Roberts 7
Ekdal 8
Beyer 7
Maatsen 7
Cullen 8
Brownhill 6
JBG 7
Tella 6
Zaroury 6
Barnes 7

Al-Dakhil 7
BPF 6
Foster 6
Twine 6

A "like" for Claretspice's observations on us missing the double pivot. Can only assume Brownhill was playing under orders because he just wasn't interested in coming deep. We weren't at our best but our mentality earned the point against under-achieving opposition. Great to keep the pyschological edge from not losing too.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Exsus » Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:50 pm

claretspice wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:47 pm
A point gained, and some lessons learned.

Muric - 5 - Rattled early by a very aggressive and well-organised press from Watford cutting down his passing options, resulting in some dodgy distribution and, ultimately him getting himself in an almighty tangle for the goal.

Roberts - 7 - Steady away and did a good job of talking Al Dakhil through the game whilst on the pitch.

Maatsen - 5- Superb in the first 5 minutes with some gorgeous long range passing, but quickly got rattled and it was downhill from there.

Beyer - 8 - Our best player whilst on the pitch both defensively and in progressing the ball.

Ekdal - surprised at the low marks, he gave the ball away a couple of times but he's only been in the country and with his team mates for 3 weeks, and in the second half in particular his one v one defending was very impressive against physical, athletic opponents who might have fancied their chances.

Cullen - 8 - Playing really well at the minute and this was another good push and run performance- the only criticism being that a couple of times he might have shot or played a killer pass around the edge of the box, and he hesitated.

Brownhill - 5- plenty of energy but the quality wasn't always there, and whilst I'm sure the floating role was part of a tactical plan, we missed the second pivot in midfield against a well organised press and physical opposition.

Gudmundsson - 7 - a reasonably solid nights work, without really threatening to unlock the door.

Tella - 5 - well shackled by their left back and when he did get the other side his final ball was hit and miss.

Zaroury - 6 - A somewhat wasteful night but still an outlet despite being double marked and some of his short passing was effective even if his crossing wasn't.

Barnes - 6 - One of our best players for an hour, but then allowed himself to get frustrated and sucked into a wrestling match that he wasn't going to win either with Hoedt or the ref.

Al Dakhil - 7 - took 20 minutes to settle but the last half hour was very promising indeed.

BPF - 7 - absolutely fine but never tested.

Foster - 7 - Thought he shaped up nicely last night but bailed out for a missed sitter by Obafemi.

Twine - 7 - thought he progressed the ball nicely in his time on the pitch.


A frustrating night when not everything went our way, but we kept going and in the end grabbed a good, and deserved, point. Watford have under-performed this season, but they're a team with Premier League players and in the event they were the best team we've played this season (give or take Sheffield United) and gave us a proper Premier League style test. It was a good yardstick for us and it showed up both good things (we basically dictated the game throughout, were unlucky to be behind at half time and played the entire second half in their half) and limitations (the number of rimes we turned over possession cheaply in the first half in particular under pressure and a proper good press, and the way that we struggled to commit defenders in the second half and ultimately got dragged down into a scrap to the detriment of our football).

No-one would criticise VK's team selection I don't think given how well it worked v Preston, but the biggest lesson from last night for me was that against the better teams, and certainly in the Premier League where we'll face a really strong press every week, we can't empty midfield and leave Cullen as the only pivot/receiver. Roberts and Maatsen stepped in as they often do yesterday, but they're not as good at receving the ball on the half turn under pressure and progressing it into the middle third and beating the press - and as a result we badly missed Cork alongside Cullen. Had Brownhill dropped back, that might have helped, but he didn't and it's not really his strength in any event, so particularly with JBG as a natural attacker, we ended up a bit lopsided and struggling to establish the control over the middle third that's generally been our strength this season.

The other lesson is to play the game, and not get sucked into nonsense with a ref who has already indicated he's not sympathetic. We wasted 20 minutes last night from the 55th to 75th minute getting drawn into silly season.
Yup, that's how I saw it.

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Ric_C » Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:32 pm

CaptJohn wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:23 am
Muric made a "horlicks" out of that clearance but some of his passing was wayward as well. Let's put it down to illness and move on.

Zaroury was doubled up on every time he got the ball. It's something he'll have to get used to but will work it out. He needs Maatsen to be the out ball in those situations and for Maatsen to drive into the inevitable space that it creates.

We missed Benson wide right to stretch their defence.

JBG went missing after the 1st 20 minutes and was rightly hooked.

We've recently seen the best of Ash but last night we saw the worst. He was drawn into a war with their CB which did not suit his new style of play.

Impressed with Al Dakhil. Thrown into a pressure situation and handled it well.

Credit to Watford. They had a game plan and it damned near worked. Very impressed with the fact that we drove them back so well in the 2nd half because Bilic did not want them defending so deep. It was sheer pressure on our part.

I thought the ref must have come on the Watford team coach, the way he favoured them in the 1st half.
Had flashbacks to the old Burnley Express reports there Captain 🙂

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Re: Burnley v Watford - Player Ratings

Post by Claret1900 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:01 pm

Muric 3
Roberts 7
Ekdal 7
Beyer 9
Maatsen 6
Cullen 7
Brownhill 6
Gudmundsson 6
Tella 5
Zaroury 5
Barnes 5

Al Dakhil 6
Peacock-Farrell 7
Foster 4
Twine 4

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