Weghorst

[ElectroClaret]

Sets up Rashford for the 2nd.

[tiger76]

An assist in a Wembley final might bump up his price.

[HiThere]

An assist in a Wembley final might bump up his price.

£1 million per assist I reckon.

[agreenwood]

Can’t blame Weghorst for the moves but are Man United seriously challenging for the title?

Outsiders, but they are playing well.

[Boss Hogg]

Sone quite well so far

[Pickles]

Played well.

[Tufty]

How much did we pay for him?
How much could we realistically sell him for?

[Bobzuruncle]

United definitely play better with him than without him so on that basis i reckon that they might just want to keep him at the end of the loan and hopefully at a good profit.

[Vegas Claret]

he's won more than Harry Kane

[IanMcL]

Weggy Winner!

Add a few million to the price!

[Devils_Advocate]

Would be a good gesture if he was to loan the club his winners medal for the remainder of the season so our club could show it off to any Burnley fans taking a stadium tour. Proud day for the club to have a player win a moror honour.

[warksclaret]

The manager keeps picking him, not because he is scoring, but his great work rate and with him they are on a great run. Plus I think they don't have a genuine No 9 though Rashford can play there but seems better operating wide left and coming in. It all helps put his value up and I suspect that United will want to make him permanent in Summer. We should be able to get our money back at least

[CoolClaret]

Very clever footballer, of course the ones on here that think Muric is pants etc can’t see that because he underperformed when asked to be a head on a stick or Chris Wood 2.0

Probably is tailor made for our current #9 role

[Lu-tze]

Gone full kit w@nker with a scarf round his head and flag round his waist!
Good on him, enjoy it lad

[Bobzuruncle]

with this sort of exposure from MU, i think that if they don’t keep him then we will have no trouble in selling to another club

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

I wonder what Vincent thinks about him?

[Devils_Advocate]

VK thinks he's a good player and was keen to have him back next season. Apparently Roberts told VK at a team meeting "Its either him or me" and quite a few players sided with Roberts so VK agreed he wouldn't be brought back to Burnley

[AndrewJB]

Does Weghorst become the first existing Burnley player to play in a major cup final since the FA Cup final in '62 when todays cup final kicks off?

Don't you mean 'since '88'?

[Burnley Ace]

VK thinks he's a good player and was keen to have him back next season. Apparently Roberts told VK at a team meeting "Its either him or me" and quite a few players sided with Roberts so VK agreed he wouldn't be brought back to Burnley

[CrosspoolClarets]

Not convinced he is good enough for us, or them, next season.

Leaving aside playing style, if we aspire to be where Brentford and Fulham are, which I am sure we do, we need a striker like Toney or Mitrovic. That is the calibre we need, I am not sure Wout is at that level. He is a stop gap for United.

False nines who drop deep and play the passes and hold up the ball, players like Firmino are ideal. Good at everything, pace, dribbling, shooting, passing. Again, Wout doesn’t have all these attributes. We need a slightly lesser version of Firmino which given Kompany’s appeal is possible.

So, within our resources, I bet that is what we aspire to. Kompany will have big ideas, we need a focal point, and I doubt Wout is what he is thinking.

[DanH90]

Always was a good striker. Lots of Burnley fans couldn’t see that when he was here, which baffles me. Dyche didn’t use him in the right way, he’s a very clever footballer, not a head on a stick.

[tiger76]

he's won more than Harry Kane

That's a striking stat (no pun intended).

Not bad is it Wout has been at Utd for less than 2 months and already he's celebrating winning a major trophy.

If we do gain promotion VK will have a tough decision to make regarding Weghorst.

[Vegas Claret]

That's a striking stat (no pun intended).

Not bad is it Wout has been at Utd for less than 2 months and already he's celebrating winning a major trophy.

If we do gain promotion VK will have a tough decision to make regarding Weghorst.

he's doing what Barnes is doing for us but in a far better team, I just don't see a way WW will accept playing with Casmeiro and Rashford this season and playing with Brownhill and Barnes the next (I could have picked any of our players so it's not a slight on our lads). I still reckon Utd will sign him

[tiger76]

he's doing what Barnes is doing for us but in a far better team, I just don't see a way WW will accept playing with Casmeiro and Rashford this season and playing with Brownhill and Barnes the next (I could have picked any of our players so it's not a slight on our lads). I still reckon Utd will sign him

Yes I agree he's doing a similar role to Barnes, therefore allowing Utd's flair players to shine.

If Utd want him then I fully expect a deal to be agreed.

[Hibsclaret]

It won’t be a tough decision for Vinnie tbh. I don’t think Weghorst will want to play for us which should allow him to leave, preferably quietly shutting the door on his way out. If we can recoup the transfer fee that would be great.

[Buxtonclaret]

I'll be surprised Manure will want to keep him. If they do, ok. Otherwise let his agent sort it out, he seems go have better moves than Weggy.
He's an ok player, although not as good as I'd personally hoped he'd be when we signed him.
So long as we can get our money back to help our recruitment next season.

[IanMcL]

The Dutch manager likes the Dutch man, for an hour a match. That chases down defenders and Weghorst is also, not out of place with his feet. After an hour, a different, more nimble player or a stopper midfielder, like McTominey, as today.

[ashtonlongsider]

I'd be really surprised if this guy was at United next year but I for one don't want to see him in a Claret shirt again.

[Quickenthetempo]

I'd be really surprised if this guy was at United next year but I for one don't want to see him in a Claret shirt again.

He’s setting the tone for the United team for hardwork and passing to others.

For years Man U have had superstars not prepared to put the graft in.

Their manager will love him, as Dyche did Arfield and Boyd.

[Darthlaw]

Will have been nice yesterday to be on the pitch to celebrate a goal with his colleagues. They usually tend to score within minutes of him being substituted.

I would suggest that its Man Utd's success is more down to the solid defence of Martinez and Varane, the Makelele like presence of Casemero and unbelievable form of Rashford, rather than Weghorst tracking back and running round a lot.

If Man Utd arent looking to upgrade on him, I'd be astounded.

[nil_desperandum]

I think I'm not alone in believing that as part of the rather complicated deal that allowed Weghorst to move to Man U on loan, we will already have agreed a deal and price with them that gives them first option to sign him at the end of the season, and it will be up to Ten Hag whether he triggers this.
Personally I think that in the current Utd system he's probably one of the first names on the team sheet because he is the only player they have who plays that role in Ten Hag's favoured system.
At the end of his loan spell, the question will be, has Weghorst done enough to retain his place for next season, or will Ten Hag be looking (perhaps already) for an upgrade who fulfills the same role?

[Stan Tastic]

Call me old fashioned but I prefer strikers that score goals. There are teams in the Premier League that have strikers that work hard and score goals. Why settle for one that doesn't?

[Vincent'sCap]

VK thinks he's a good player and was keen to have him back next season. Apparently Roberts told VK at a team meeting "Its either him or me" and quite a few players sided with Roberts so VK agreed he wouldn't be brought back to Burnley

What a load of old tosh,you dreamt that didn't you?

[CoolClaret]

It’s growing a bit tedious hearing the same taking points such as ‘I like strikers that score’.

The modern game is completely different to what we’ve all grown up watching - a striker is just as important as a defensive player than an offensive player these days.

Most goals are scored in transition after winning the ball as opposed to against a set defence and if your striker can press to cause a mistake or win the ball against an opposing centre half or defensive midfielder then that transition & change of possession will be against a wide open defence and give you the best chance of scoring.

Look at United with Ronaldo last season who scored a shed load but United were worse off - because he wasn’t involved in any of the hard yards more just as a guy to be at the end of chances, which is more akin to an old school style of poacher.

Could Weghorst be better with his finishing? Absolutely, no question - but it’s his intelligence in movement and defensive actions that really help United and why Ten Haag keeps playing him.

it’s not as simple as ‘well anyone can run around and press’ , it’s about timing, initial positioning and knowing when to go for it and when not to and Wout is very good at that side of the game - not just aimlessly running around like a headless chicken

[Lancasterclaret]

Its a bit depressing really

People are still pretending that Weghorst isn't doing the job that ETH bought him in for

There is a reason that he starts every game, and there is a reason that United look back to their best

Its a team game, and Weghorst is an important cog in that team

Really pleased for him and I hope United make it permanent

[RVclaret]

It’s growing a bit tedious hearing the same taking points such as ‘I like strikers that score’.

The modern game is completely different to what we’ve all grown up watching - a striker is just as important as a defensive player than an offensive player these days.

Most goals are scored in transition after winning the ball as opposed to against a set defence and if your striker can press to cause a mistake or win the ball against an opposing centre half or defensive midfielder then that transition & change of possession will be against a wide open defence and give you the best chance of scoring.

Look at United with Ronaldo last season who scored a shed load but United were worse off - because he wasn’t involved in any of the hard yards more just as a guy to be at the end of chances, which is more akin to an old school style of poacher.

Could Weghorst be better with his finishing? Absolutely, no question - but it’s his intelligence in movement and defensive actions that really help United and why Ten Haag keeps playing him.

it’s not as simple as ‘well anyone can run around and press’ , it’s about timing, initial positioning and knowing when to go for it and when not to and Wout is very good at that side of the game - not just aimlessly running around like a headless chicken

Fully agree. Most United fan's/reporters that I've seen understand what he brings. Since he's joined Ten Haag has started him in every game and they've been absolutely flying?

I'd add that he's got a good positional understanding too, for example was played as a duel 10 alongside Fred and behind Rashford at the Nou Camp last week, while in other games he's a more central focal point, dropping into space and looking for runners (Rashford goal yesterday perfect example).

[jedi_master]

Man United fans don't like him (the majority), you should have a read of their equivalent of this messageboard (Red Cafe) where the conversation is 'Who was worse - Wout or Odion Ighalo?' on one thread. They aren't the manager though - Erik Ten Hag is and he rates him, despite him now having scored only 3 goals in 32 games in English football. He will surely buy him, he's starting him every game and you don't do that without an eye on the future.

It is a bit bizarre though, whatever you think of Weghorst. If you're Manchester United (of all clubs!), why would you spend £10m (ish?) on a near 31 year old Weghorst who barely offers a goal threat, as opposed to bringing in a similarly profiled player (i.e, tall/good touch - but perhaps one that is tall but also wins a header?) who can offer similar attributes, but also score goals, and be at a better age? Who are we to argue though as he is clearly not the value profile we want at Burnley under Kompany. If we can get our money back and bring in a Kompany player or two at 20-23, that suits us better doesn't it?

Would he work in this team? I actually think he would (as Vegas and a couple of others higher up have said) suit the Barnes role in this system I think. His touch is excellent and his lay-offs etc, you could see it working for sure. The problem is he does not score enough goals in the Premier League which is vital from a striker for a club like us. We need at least one player to be good for 10 a season in that position or the pressure is hugely on our wide players to deliver. It's a gamble whoever we bring in for that role in the summer but Weghorst has now proven he will not be a consistent scorer at that level, even at a club that creates a glut of chances.

R.e attitude etc - I saw some stuff I didn't like, but we have no idea what the atmosphere in the club was like in fairness. It seems like it was somewhat toxic in general when you hear Mee's interview he did on that podcast (it inferred there was definitely a distance between Dyche and the playing staff). I don't think it was a good place to be from January onwards for all involved. If Weghorst did somehow come back into the fold, I would absolutely treat it as a clean slate as we all should. I just don't see that happening on the balance of probabilities.

[Darthlaw]

There is a reason that he starts every game, and there is a reason that United look back to their best

Its a team game, and Weghorst is an important cog in that team

With respect, Lancs, he starts every game because he's their only match fit centre forward (counting Rashford coming in from the left) and (yesterday aside) they look at their most threatening and have scored most goals when he has been subbed off.

Arguably, Weghorsts best performances have come when he's played CAM behind Rashford but then they've suffered from Fernandes being pushed onto the right.

[Bordeauxclaret]

The ongoing take over will have a big impact.
If the people who have PSG take over they won’t be signing him.

[jedi_master]

The ongoing take over will have a big impact.
If the people who have PSG take over they won’t be signing him.

That is a fair point - though again, even as a fourth choice if they spent loads, ETH rates him and might well still sign him. Martial seems more likely to be the odd one out.

[Devils_Advocate]

What a load of old tosh,you dreamt that didn't you?

Wow, there's no fooling you is there? You wanna be careful you don't cut yourself you're that sharp

[Lancasterclaret]

With respect, Lancs, he starts every game because he's their only match fit centre forward (counting Rashford coming in from the left) and (yesterday aside) they look at their most threatening and have scored most goals when he has been subbed off.

Arguably, Weghorsts best performances have come when he's played CAM behind Rashford but then they've suffered from Fernandes being pushed onto the right.

Of course, you could also look at that as they take him off because he's done his job

My point is that its a team and squad game, and ETH clearly values him as part of that

Whether that guarantees them signing him is a completely different matter, but he's certainly effective for them in his role (unless you think strikers have to score all the goals)

[Bosscat]

Wow, there's no fooling you is there? You wanna be careful you don't cut yourself you're that sharp

Now now play nicely

[Darthlaw]

Of course, you could also look at that as they take him off because he's done his job

My point is that its a team and squad game, and ETH clearly values him as part of that

Whether that guarantees them signing him is a completely different matter, but he's certainly effective for them in his role (unless you think strikers have to score all the goals)

Or you can look at it that they take him off because he's ineffective and they need to threaten the goal more. Similar to Jutkiewicz for us.

There's no doubt he's part of that squad currently but should Casemiro or Rashfords form drop, resulting in less favourable results, I think Weghorst would get a lot more grief than he's currently getting.

Personally I don't think strikers need to score all the goals, but you'd at least think they'd score some of them.

[Lancasterclaret]

Or you can look at it that they take him off because he's ineffective and they need to threaten the goal more. Similar to Jutkiewicz for us.

There's no doubt he's part of that squad currently but should Casemiro or Rashfords form drop, resulting in less favourable results, I think Weghorst would get a lot more grief than he's currently getting.

Personally I don't think strikers need to score all the goals, but you'd at least think they'd score some of them.

I don't think it does your argument any favours using Juke as an example!

I look at United and see Anthony (for example) as a colossal waste of money and not effective enough, but then (as you say) Casemiro and Rashford (and Martinez) all looking top class - but they all operate as part of the team and squad

The way United play, Weghorst is far more suited to it than Martial, and that is why he is playing

Of course it won't always work, and that is when the squad comes into it

I'm also very sure that ETH can get a better fit than WW in the summer then he will but he will also consider what WW brings and his very competitive price

[Stan Tastic]

Wout is a deep lying, high pressing, false striker who pulls defenders out of position. He can't be expected to do anything else, whatever that might be.

[Darthlaw]

Unfortunately your example of Anthony, who just scored the winner against Barca within the last week after replacing Wout, doesn't help you argument either.

Martial isn't playing because he's injured. Undoubtedly he wouldn't be suited to the style United are forced to play with Wout in the team but, as has been shown time and time again, that style doesn't get Man U goals. Wout walked straight into a team where they had Martial, Sancho and Anthony all out and was playing more. As the latter two have come back into the fray he's been subbed off more and they've scored when he's not there.

There's no doubt a correlation can be drawn that he's starting games for Man U and they're winning but you can't then ignore the correlation between goals coming when he's not on the pitch.

As I've already said before, if Man U are not considering better than both Weghorst and Martial then I'd be astounded. If that is the case, do they need Wout on the bench, particularly considering his own opinions on not playing regular top flight football?

As for this argument of him being a striker who's chief talent is pulling players out of position, how bad are the leagues in Turkey, Holland and Germany that such a striker can score 1 in 2 there, but not in the PL?

[Vincent'sCap]

Wow, there's no fooling you is there? You wanna be careful you don't cut yourself you're that sharp

I'm sorry I didn't you was the forum Jester
You're not very good at it are you?

[Lancasterclaret]

Unfortunately your example of Anthony, who just scored the winner against Barca within the last week after replacing Wout, doesn't help you argument either.

Martial isn't playing because he's injured. Undoubtedly he wouldn't be suited to the style United are forced to play with Wout in the team but, as has been shown time and time again, that style doesn't get Man U goals. Wout walked straight into a team where they had Martial, Sancho and Anthony all out and was playing more. As the latter two have come back into the fray he's been subbed off more and they've scored when he's not there.

There's no doubt a correlation can be drawn that he's starting games for Man U and they're winning but you can't then ignore the correlation between goals coming when he's not on the pitch.

As I've already said before, if Man U are not considering better than both Weghorst and Martial then I'd be astounded. If that is the case, do they need Wout on the bench, particularly considering his own opinions on not playing regular top flight football?

As for this argument of him being a striker who's chief talent is pulling players out of position, how bad are the leagues in Turkey, Holland and Germany that such a striker can score 1 in 2 there, but not in the PL?

At least it was a relevant comparison (as he actually play in the PL for United and is in the same team, rather than a journeyman striker who looked hopeless and lost for us the entire time he was here)

I'm going to go with ETH on this one

You should be pleased at how well they are doing, means you get to see United at the Turf next year with your half and half scarf on (

[Lancasterclaret]

Being serious for a sec Darthlaw, I hope WW is signed by United because it gets him off our wage books

But if his attitude is right, and he's happy to come back here under VK and playing our style, then I'm more than happy to see him back here next season where I'll think he brings all the attributes he is currently showing for United

Win/win for us