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The gap in quality

Post by Belgianclaret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:44 am

The difference in quality between Burnley and Hull was again very obvious yesterday, as it has been in most fixtures this season.
We’ll be deserving champions that’s for sure.

However, we’re looking at another huge gap in quality with the PL.

Will be interesting to see how Vinny approaches this and how the board will (or can) support him.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Clive 1960 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:48 am

Hopefully the board will back him to buy some decent players and then we can let some fringe players go permanent or on loan. Will be interesting.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by beddie » Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:53 am

In the premiership though you need a team of quality players not just one or two. It’s a big, big step up from the Championship.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by fatboy47 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:55 am

Whatever you do, be careful not to enjoy yourself.

Ever.
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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Nonayforever » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:05 am

There is a gap between us and them. I have watched most games and seen some brilliant players in other teams, indeed Hull had two last night, but I'm not sure If the gap is quality players or quality management and coaching.
I look at other teams and wonder what they would perform like if VK was their manager.
I'm convinced it's not just having quality players, it's more a combination of having players that fit a quality managers method.
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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Spike » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:11 am

This isn’t the team we will field next season for lots of reasons
Assuming Alan’s less than Pacey auditors get their fingers out of course
We will continue to walk this league and are already better at least 3 teams who will be in the Prem next year
Just enjoy the ride
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Re: The gap in quality

Post by RVclaret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:11 am

Some PL quality additions like Fulham have done with Palhinha, Andreas Pereira and Manor Solomon.

For me, it's a new CM, striker and creative wide man/10 type that are all straight into the first 11.

Not too much surgery needed, provided we also keep hold of Maatsen, Beyer and THB.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by LoveCurryPies » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 am

I’m more optimistic. Our team have shone throughout the season and deserve their chance in the PL. A small number of summer signings will be made and together we will have a fine team. Let’s see what Vincent can achieve in the PL!

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by HiThere » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:24 am

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:11 am
For me, it's a new CM, striker and creative wide man/10 type that are all straight into the first 11.
I'll throw a CB into the mix as well. I don't think we're quick enough at the back for the Premier League yet.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Pearcey » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:32 am

HiThere wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:24 am
I'll throw a CB into the mix as well. I don't think we're quick enough at the back for the Premier League yet.
Mee and Tarky haven’t done too badly have they. How many sides have pacey centre halves?
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Re: The gap in quality

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:32 am

It is like we have gone back in time 12 months.

This time last year it was how we will struggle this season due to losing all our squad and having no money, now we should start worrying about next season. A division where we stayed for 6 seasons while spending small amounts compared to other teams.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:37 am

It’s a case of clearing out the old guard (cork/barnes/jbg/JR ) keep Taylor/Josh . holding on to what loans we can , somehow buying Tella ,and as per above getting at least 3 quality “ off the peg “ prem level players CM/CB/CF.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Clive 1960 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:38 am

Definitely need a quality midfielder who can get box to box and the lads on loan if we can .
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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Belgianclaret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:40 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:32 am
It is like we have gone back in time 12 months.

This time last year it was how we will struggle this season due to losing all our squad and having no money, now we should start worrying about next season. A division where we stayed for 6 seasons while spending small amounts compared to other teams.
It's not about worrying for me, more about looking forward to the step up with a totally different set up (my word, it even rhymes).

I've really enjoyed this season and the great transition brought by our Belgian contingent a lot ;) but lately we seem to be the Man City of the championship, and winning every week with little opposition soon becomes boring 8-)

We definitely need another CM, and if Sheffield would somehow not get promoted I'd love to take a punt on Sander Berge

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by HistoricalClaret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:42 am

pete o rourke got a lot of our transfers right this season and hes said we have a significant budget with other journos saying VK will be backed in the market I expect summer to be an exciting time yet again
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Re: The gap in quality

Post by claretandy » Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:29 am

We've been linked with Joel Piroe at Swansea, he will be in his final year, only 23, scored 20+ last year and 14 this year.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by RVclaret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:33 am

claretandy wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:29 am
We've been linked with Joel Piroe at Swansea, he will be in his final year, only 23, scored 20+ last year and 13 this year.
Saw that. Would be a decent acquisition I think. Less goals this season because Swansea been nowhere near as good (similar story to Oba).

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by tiger76 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:40 am

There is a massive gap between the top 10 in the Prem and the Championship, however does anyone seriously think we can't compete with most or all of those in the lower half of the table.

Yes we'll need to make some shrews signings naturally, but given Vincent Kompany's record thus far I'm confident we'll be fine.
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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Stan Tastic » Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:42 am

Belgianclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:40 am
It's not about worrying for me, more about looking forward to the step up with a totally different set up (my word, it even rhymes).

I've really enjoyed this season and the great transition brought by our Belgian contingent a lot ;) but lately we seem to be the Man City of the championship, and winning every week with little opposition soon becomes boring 8-)

We definitely need another CM, and if Sheffield would somehow not get promoted I'd love to take a punt on Sander Berge
Berge has been awful recently according to Sheffield United fans. Lacking in quality and energy at this level doesn't sound like a player VK would be interested in.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by COBBLE » Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:46 am

I thought Hull looked OK last night, trying to play the right way. The main gap in quality was the pace of Tella.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Greenmile » Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:48 am

tiger76 wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:40 am
There is a massive gap between the top 10 in the Prem and the Championship, however does anyone seriously think we can't compete with most or all of those in the lower half of the table.

Yes we'll need to make some shrews signings naturally, but given Vincent Kompany's record thus far I'm confident we'll be fine.
Not sure we should be shopping in league one this summer :)

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:12 am

The gap isn't that big.
Look at Saints, been in the PL for a while, spent some big sums of money and had some very good players come through their academy.
Yet they look toss.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by 4midable » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:22 am

Belgianclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:44 am
The difference in quality between Burnley and Hull was again very obvious yesterday, as it has been in most fixtures this season.
We’ll be deserving champions that’s for sure.

However, we’re looking at another huge gap in quality with the PL.

Will be interesting to see how Vinny approaches this and how the board will (or can) support him.
This current side are

Better than any 2 sides that come up with us
Better than southampton
Better than bournemouth

Would have a good go at beating palace, leeds, leicester and probably a couple more

Add to that with more quality and VKs team of staff and we could push mid table and above

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:22 am

I thought Hull did alright last night. They passed the ball around like it was natural to them.

Some teams get embarrassed with us doing it and try it themselves. Not looking comfortable but don't want to hoof it looking crap.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:14 pm

Spike wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:11 am
This isn’t the team we will field next season for lots of reasons
Assuming Alan’s less than Pacey auditors get their fingers out of course
We will continue to walk this league and are already better at least 3 teams who will be in the Prem next year
Just enjoy the ride
We already know that we are better than at least 2 of the teams in the Prem next season. If anybody doubts us, what chance do you give the 2 teams going up with us.
I believe we will surprise a lot of teams next season, and I don't expect VK will be happy sat with the same team/squad ext season. It's all about improving, he says it all the time. Many of our current squad still have room to grow, and we can certainly afford a couple of new additions, and definitely be more attractive this coming summer than last.
That said, why get too far ahead of yourself, just enjoy the present.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by KateR » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:10 pm

I think we compete/beat most of the bottom 6/7 with the team we have now and would not be relegated, adding a few more quality players in the right positions get's us mid table, not going to be easy. However, I'm not worrying and intend to enjoy what's left with this season; and hopefully have a trip to Wembley, just to add the cherry on top of this season :)

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by HiThere » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:25 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:22 am
I thought Hull did alright last night. They passed the ball around like it was natural to them.

Some teams get embarrassed with us doing it and try it themselves. Not looking comfortable but don't want to hoof it looking crap.
Agreed. Hull started off well and were giving us a game. One of the better sides we've played away this season I thought and leading 3-0 flattered us a bit so they deserved their goal at the end.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:31 pm

Pace as in speed not Alan is the key. Tella is a very good player but with blinding pace. See third goal yesterday. Watched City demolish Leipzig and they have great pace throughout the team Be interesting to see if we can retain possession against a high and fast press. Whatever the result I don’t think VK will read too much into it

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by spt_claret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:49 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:37 am
It’s a case of clearing out the old guard (cork/barnes/jbg/JR ) keep Taylor/Josh . holding on to what loans we can , somehow buying Tella ,and as per above getting at least 3 quality “ off the peg “ prem level players CM/CB/CF.
Why on earth would you want to clear out Gudmundsson after the season he's had? I can get Barnes (old and being able to do this role in the Championship is very different to the Prem), Jay (same plus injuries) and Cork (age, pace) but JBG has had a fantastic season and demonstrated he can seamlessly fit into multiple roles in this setup.
Of all the old guard he's the only one I'd keep.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:08 pm

we will play on better pitches next season which will help us

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by expoultryboy » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:29 pm

I'm with tiger and kate . The top few teams could easily destroy us ( hopefully not on Saturday) , BUT from Leicester downwards we're definitely a match now for any of them.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Clive 1960 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:16 am

Had a couple of decent signings to this squad and we should be able to hold our own in the premiership, but if we fanny about like seasons before we could struggle.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by claretcarrot93 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:37 am

We are that far ahead that our keeper gets in every other side playing in midfield.
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Re: The gap in quality

Post by Hipper » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:56 am

Norwich were the best team in the Championship in 2018-19 and 2020-21 yet were easily the worst side in both the following Premier League years.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by HiThere » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:59 am

The way I see it is that the gap between us and the rest of the Championship is big. The gap between the Premier League and the rest of the Championship is big.

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Re: The gap in quality

Post by claretbob » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:42 am

You can’t compare us with Norwich. During the 18-19 season they scored at a similar rate to us bagging 93 goals but conceded 57 goals 34 of those at home. We have conceded half that number with only 13 at home. It must have been great entertainment for the Norwich fans but winning all your home games 3-2 was never going to work in the Prem.
They only conceded 36 goals in 20-21 but scored 20 fewer. It also helped keeping Buendia who was far too good for the Championship. In both seasons Pukki was also ridiculously prolific. Our balance looks far better and Kompany is a far more impressive leader of men than Daniel Farke.
Time to be positive folks!

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