England Squad

[Newcastleclaret93]

If Burnley had to play against that squad I’d give us a 50-50 chance.

A 50/50 chance against a team of elite players?

Il have what your smoking

[Cornwallclaret]

Bellingham aside that midfield is dreadful,all either not playing or well out of form…the England set up is a joke..Southgate is just an fa puppet,I’m personally sick of it

[Cornwallclaret]

A 50/50 chance against a team of elite players?

Il have what your smoking

They are not elite

[Clive 1960]

It's a case of either one it's a job for the boy's or basically we are crap .

[claretonthecoast1882]

Why, are we playing Chelsea?

I never mentioned Chelsea in any comment

[Newcastleclaret93]

They are not elite

Pickford
Walker, Stones, Maguire, Shaw
Bellingham, Rice
Saka, Foden, Rashford
Kane

That is a team of elite players.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Pickford
Walker, Stones, Maguire, Shaw
Bellingham, Rice
Saka, Foden, Rashford
Kane

That is a team of elite players.

That is an elite midfield and attack.

Goalie and defence is another matter. Stones is elite, Walker was elite but is now old. Shaw, Maguire and Pickford have equally good peers playing for ‘ordinary’ club sides.

[taio]

Pickford
Walker, Stones, Maguire, Shaw
Bellingham, Rice
Saka, Foden, Rashford
Kane

That is a team of elite players.

It is, and the idea that we'd have a 50/50 chance against them is amusing.

[RVclaret]

It is, and the idea that we'd have a 50/50 chance against them is amusing.

Every England thread. We are almost 3/3 with what can be expected.

- Burnley would beat them
- Mee and Tarks should be in

Waiting for the full house, shouldn’t be too long.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Every England thread. We are almost 3/3 with what can be expected.

- Burnley would beat them
- Mee and Tarks should be in

Waiting for the full house, shouldn’t be too long.

It's coming home ?

[fidelcastro]

Every England thread. We are almost 3/3 with what can be expected.

- Burnley would beat them
- Mee and Tarks should be in

Waiting for the full house, shouldn’t be too long.

Pope is better than Pickford.

HOUSE!

[Foshiznik]

Name the alternative CDM other than Philips?

Just off the top of my head:-

James Ward-Prowse
Sean Longstaff
Ruben Loftus-Cheek
Oliver Skipp

I'm not saying they are better than Phillips, but he's played so little football that it would seem like the optimal opportunity to try out other players, all performing well this season.

[Rileybobs]

Just off the top of my head:-

James Ward-Prowse
Sean Longstaff
Ruben Loftus-Cheek
Oliver Skipp

I'm not saying they are better than Phillips, but he's played so little football that it would seem like the optimal opportunity to try out other players, all performing well this season.

Why would you pick significantly inferior players because they’ve played more football? That really doesn’t make any sense.

Skip and Loftus Cheek are hardly regulars. Longstaff is very very average. And JWP is sat bottom of the Premier League and despite being a good player is only really recognised for his set piece taking

[Rileybobs]

This idea that the England squad should just be a testing ground for the latest flavour of the month, or the players who are playing the most games for their clubs is just absurd. Why would Southgate pick someone like Sean Longstaff knowing that he’s not good enough to play for England?

[claretonthecoast1882]

This idea that the England squad should just be a testing ground for the latest flavour of the month, or the players who are playing the most games for their clubs is just absurd. Why would Southgate pick someone like Sean Longstaff knowing that he’s not good enough to play for England?

Using that logic what is the defence for not picking Toney for the world cup squad

[Rileybobs]

Using that logic what is the defence for not picking Toney for the world cup squad

I don’t think that decision needs a defence. But it seemed like a straight shoot out between Toney and Wilson, and Wilson got the nod. Perhaps Southgate thought that Wilson’s attributes suited England’s style of play more.

[Devils_Advocate]

Using that logic what is the defence for not picking Toney for the world cup squad

I believe the thinking was that the story about his betting was about to break and there was fears that all the media and public attention would distract from the focus of Southgate and the squad.

I was surprised that he was included in this squad because of the decision they made about it for the World Cup but I guess the thinking is the story is out in the open and not a hot topic and there is nowhere near as much media and public attention on a couple of qualifiers as there is on a World Cup.

[Clive 1960]

I love England but it just shows how loyal the manager as become picking players who hardly play for their clubs , and what's happened to Ben White who plays for top of the table Arsenal . I'm sorry but Gareth as become a joke .

[Rileybobs]

I love England but it just shows how loyal the manager as become picking players who hardly play for their clubs , and what's happened to Ben White who plays for top of the table Arsenal . I'm sorry but Gareth as become a joke .

What’s happened to Ben White? I think the evidence would suggest ‘something’, don’t you?

[bobinho]

Why would you pick significantly inferior players because they’ve played more football? That really doesn’t make any sense.

Skip and Loftus Cheek are hardly regulars. Longstaff is very very average. And JWP is sat bottom of the Premier League and despite being a good player is only really recognised for his set piece taking

How do we know they are inferior? There is nothing to measure them against and that’s the problem.

Phillips whilst at Leeds forced his way into the squad thru great performances. How’s he got in this time?

Picking someone because he was bought by Man City and has played well in the past is the bit that doesn’t really make sense.

[daveisaclaret]

Phillips has been picked because he plays well for England. It's not rocket science.

[Devils_Advocate]

How do we know they are inferior? There is nothing to measure them against and that’s the problem.

Phillips whilst at Leeds forced his way into the squad thru great performances. How’s he got in this time?

Picking someone because he was bought by Man City and has played well in the past is the bit that doesn’t really make sense.

You have to pick an EFL team and you have a choice between picking Darko Churlinov who's barely played this season or Newports Winger Will Evans who's played over 30 games.

Who do you pick for your EFL team?

Also Southgate will be selecting a large squad and several players will have little chance of featuring in the games so selecting a player who has proved he is good enough to keep him in and around the squad for when he starts playing again over just picking someone who's played a lot of games but whom you dont rate as international standard seems a decent enough approach to me.

[Cooclaret]

Dier: bobbins, just bobbins.

Slabhead: good but bobbins because he doesn’t play

Phillips: good but bobbins because he doesn’t play

Pickford: I don’t know how Tarks hasn’t lamped him with all the shouting and waving. Also, he’s bobbins.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Dier: bobbins, just bobbins.

Slabhead: good but bobbins because he doesn’t play

Phillips: good but bobbins because he doesn’t play

Pickford: I don’t know how Tarks hasn’t lamped him with all the shouting and waving. Also, he’s bobbins.

If you think there bobbins you must really not rate our lads?

[Rileybobs]

How do we know they are inferior? There is nothing to measure them against and that’s the problem.

Phillips whilst at Leeds forced his way into the squad thru great performances. How’s he got in this time?

Picking someone because he was bought by Man City and has played well in the past is the bit that doesn’t really make sense.

Answered by others. I don’t think Southgate and his staff need to see someone like Sean Longstaff play for England to ascertain that he isn’t good enough.

Surely by know it’s clear that Southgate values the culture and togetherness of the group and he obviously sees Phillips as a long-term part of that group. So it makes perfect sense to reintegrate him rather than give a token call up to an inferior player who’s played more games. And I’m sure Southgate places as much value on the time spent on the training ground as he does in qualifying matches, where only about 15 players will get on the pitch.

[Cooclaret]

If you think there bobbins you must really not rate our lads?

Context is key…

None of our lads have been picked in the squad and so therefore there is no direct comparison.

Usual nonsense trying to be controversial Newcastle.

[Cooclaret]

I love England but it just shows how loyal the manager as become picking players who hardly play for their clubs , and what's happened to Ben White who plays for top of the table Arsenal . I'm sorry but Gareth as become a joke .

Well documented that football is a job and not a passion for this lad. It’s possible he’s indicated that he’s not interested.

[Cooclaret]

Answered by others. I don’t think Southgate and his staff need to see someone like Sean Longstaff play for England to ascertain that he isn’t good enough.

Surely by know it’s clear that Southgate values the culture and togetherness of the group and he obviously sees Phillips as a long-term part of that group. So it makes perfect sense to reintegrate him rather than give a token call up to an inferior player who’s played more games. And I’m sure Southgate places as much value on the time spent on the training ground as he does in qualifying matches, where only about 15 players will get on the pitch.

I think Longstaff is underrated. Lazy comparisons to Carrick are easy, but not a million miles off in my book.

Would like to see him, Rice and Jude B in a midfield

[Newcastleclaret93]

Context is key…

None of our lads have been picked in the squad and so therefore there is no direct comparison.

Usual nonsense trying to be controversial Newcastle.

Of course there is a comparison. You are saying top premier league players are bobbins.

Just another stupid post.

[Cooclaret]

Of course there is a comparison. You are saying top premier league players are bobbins.

Just another stupid post.

In comparison to other top premier league players, or even top players in other leagues they’re bobbins

You’re suggesting I don’t rate ‘our’ lads, implying Burnley FC players against those I mentioned. I don’t. They’re unproven in the Premier League or another top tier league.

Dier and Slabhead would walk into our back four as starters.

[HiThere]

Every England thread. We are almost 3/3 with what can be expected.

- Burnley would beat them
- Mee and Tarks should be in

Waiting for the full house, shouldn’t be too long.

It must be when people come to a thread about the England team, to tell us they won't be watching. Not sure if we've had that one yet.

[Rumbletonk]

Pickford
Walker, Stones, Maguire, Shaw
Bellingham, Rice
Saka, Foden, Rashford
Kane

That is a team of elite players.

That is a good side. What has happened to our CHs though. We had an embarrassment of riches in that dept for decades. I can think of about 20 that would walk in to that team from the last 25 years

[bobinho]

This idea that the England squad should just be a testing ground for the latest flavour of the month, or the players who are playing the most games for their clubs is just absurd. Why would Southgate pick someone like Sean Longstaff knowing that he’s not good enough to play for England?

I don't think anyone is really advocating playing the players who have simply played the most nor selecting players who have had just a couple good games...but I suspect you know that. We aren't advocating just picking anyone - well, I'm not. Just players who are currently (as in consistently in this season) playing well in the same sort of role that GS wants to use them in. You know, the old fashioned and currently unpopular thing of selecting the second best left back in the country in case the best one is unavailable.

What we ARE advocating is playing players who have actually played and showed they could do a job. We know Phillips used to be able to do a very good job, but we have no idea what he can do post injuries. It's a waste of a pick, whether he's good in the changing room or not.

[bobinho]

In comparison to other top premier league players, or even top players in other leagues they’re bobbins

You’re suggesting I don’t rate ‘our’ lads, implying Burnley FC players against those I mentioned. I don’t. They’re unproven in the Premier League or another top tier league.

Dier and Slabhead would walk into our back four as starters.

We are currently a championship side, with championship defenders, but I would be absolutely distraught if we announced we'd swapped Beyer (yes, i know he's not ours) and Ekdal for Dier and Slabhead.

[Woodleyclaret]

So Tarks moving to Everton still doesn't get hin selected
Muppet Southgate really is clueless.Dier,Maguire, Philips all need dropping .

[Elizabeth]

Uneasy about the suggestion that the England squad should be akin to a closed shop.
The support for the inclusion of the Man City midfield player Phillips at the expense of others whose performances have warranted inclusion is just this.
Of course these posters won’t see it this way but that’s what they are really saying with their short sighted opinions

[Rileybobs]

I don't think anyone is really advocating playing the players who have simply played the most nor selecting players who have had just a couple good games...but I suspect you know that. We aren't advocating just picking anyone - well, I'm not. Just players who are currently (as in consistently in this season) playing well in the same sort of role that GS wants to use them in. You know, the old fashioned and currently unpopular thing of selecting the second best left back in the country in case the best one is unavailable.

What we ARE advocating is playing players who have actually played and showed they could do a job. We know Phillips used to be able to do a very good job, but we have no idea what he can do post injuries. It's a waste of a pick, whether he's good in the changing room or not.

Well we don’t know if the injury has affected Phillips, but Guardiola and more importantly Southgate will. How is it a waste of a pick? I’m not talking about him being good in the dressing room, I’m talking about the work he puts in on the training ground with the rest of the squad. Southgate obviously has Phillips in his long term plans, who can blame him for that, and as such thinks it’s beneficial for him to train with the rest of the squad and perhaps get some minutes.

And who are these players on a par with Phillips who would have made good alternatives?

I find it quite pathetic that every single England squad announcement there are OTT criticisms about the inclusion or omission of one player, like it’s such a big deal. Imagine if we had this every time VK left Jack Cork or Manuel Benson out of the starting eleven - or left Scott Twine out of the squad entirely at the preference of a loanee from Brentford.

[Rileybobs]

Uneasy about the suggestion that the England squad should be akin to a closed shop.
The support for the inclusion of the Man City midfield player Phillips at the expense of others whose performances have warranted inclusion is just this.
Of course these posters won’t see it this way but that’s what they are really saying with their short sighted opinions

Who has warranted inclusion?

[Elizabeth]

Who has warranted inclusion?

As you think Phillips has warranted inclusion I’m not going to give you the answer you will agree with am I ?

[Rileybobs]

As you think Phillips has warranted inclusion I’m not going to give you the answer you will agree with am I ?

I don’t know because I have no idea who you think warrants a call up in place of Phillips. I asked GIADJ the same question and didn’t get an answer.

But it’s not about whether I agree with you, I’m interested in who you think should be selected ahead of Phillips.

[Elizabeth]

I don’t know because I have no idea who you think warrants a call up in place of Phillips. I asked GIADJ the same question and didn’t get an answer.

The reason you don’t get an answer is not because people cannot come up with a name to replace Phillips in the squad but because of your stubbornness to entertain the idea that including Phillips cannot be justified on his performances since the previous squad was named

[Rileybobs]

The reason you don’t get an answer is not because people cannot come up with a name to replace Phillips in the squad but because of your stubbornness to entertain the idea that including Phillips cannot be justified on his performances since the previous squad was named

I dunno, it looks a little bit like you cannot come up with a name to replace Phillips in the squad.

[Elizabeth]

From your posting history riley I know you will go on banging your drum all night when someone doesn’t agree with you. I’m going out now and will catch up then

[Rileybobs]

From your posting history riley I know you will go on banging your drum all night when someone doesn’t agree with you. I’m going out now and will catch up then

You’re just making an excuse in order to evade the question. I’m not banging any drum, you stated that players warranted a call up ahead of Phillips, I’m just asking who you’re referring to, surely an easy question to answer?!

[roperclaret]

The age old argument of ‘why does the England manager only pick players from the big teams’. Generally it’s because the best players actually play for the best teams. It’s not really significant if they are not getting much game time, it just means they are being kept out by a (usually non-English) world class player. They still train 4 or 5 days a week. Having said that I do think Mason Mount is Gareth’s secret love child, and James Ward Prowse should be in the squad.

[Newcastleclaret93]

From your posting history riley I know you will go on banging your drum all night when someone doesn’t agree with you. I’m going out now and will catch up then

To be fair Elizabeth he does have a valid point.

Until I went through the list of other CMs in the league I thought it was a strange addition to the squad.

Realistically no one else comes close to the squad

[RVclaret]

To be fair Elizabeth he does have a valid point.

Until I went through the list of other CMs in the league I thought it was a strange addition to the squad.

Realistically no one else comes close to the squad

Skipp would have been my choice. Starting for the team 4th in the league. Tidy ball player too I think he’d suit the system.

[Elizabeth]

To be fair Elizabeth he does have a valid point.

Until I went through the list of other CMs in the league I thought it was a strange addition to the squad.

Realistically no one else comes close to the squad

Writing players like Ward Prowse off because Southampton are bottom of the league is short sighted( you haven’t I know)
I like this Harrison Reed at Fulham who are flying this season. Is he English , I think he is ?
Other alternatives to Phillips have been mentioned by others but if people are blinkered that’s their problem

[Elizabeth]

You’re just making an excuse in order to evade the question. I’m not banging any drum, you stated that players warranted a call up ahead of Phillips, I’m just asking who you’re referring to, surely an easy question to answer?!

You’re like a stuck record riley

[Rileybobs]

You’re like a stuck record riley

If you can’t answer the question that’s fine, no need to get personal.