ARTICLE: Clubs should hang their heads in shame over derby tickets

[bfcmartin]

To make it fair for the younger supporters to get tickets in the few limited games where they have virtually no chance of getting a ticket because of the loyalty points system should the tickets be allocated in season ticket sales percentages ie if 10% of season tickets are under 18 10% of the tickets are allocated to this age group with a time span so that if they don’t sell in that time they can just be sold as adult tickets it might just help a parent and child get tickets together. There has to be some way of keeping younger fans onboard as they are the future of the supporter base

[agreenwood]

I’d rather support a system that works over a rolling period.

Those with the most points would still have top dibs but if those people stop going as much over, say, a 5 year period, you’d allow those with less (likely younger fans) points chance to get to big games, which is more likely to breed the next generation of fan.

I don’t support a system that just purely works for me.

I think what’s makes the point is the fact that some of the fans at the very top of the system could actually stop buying tickets for a few years, but retain their status.

I’ve got 7.5k points. If I didn’t miss a game for 5 years, I won’t pass some fans for almost a decade, even if they never stepped foot on the Turf again.

[Big Vinny K]

No, I think there is still time for the originator to comment before closure

You are being out of order.
You must be aware of recent issues and yet you still feel the need to keep posting the same old **** trying to put pressure on CT.
It’s clearly an emotive area for him so just back off and stop embarrassing yourself.

[Leisure]

If that was a reference to my post in this thread where I compare an old chap with a 17 year old I think that’s being a little disrespectful tbh.

Do I need to point out the massive flaw in the “loyalty” system we currently have? It’s to do with individuals having access to numerous claret numbers for their cliques and over the years they buy multiple tickets for large groups and amassed the points when not necessarily attending. Ring any bells Pete?

My post was in response to a post from MDWat not you. You can see his post above mine. No bells ringing here.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Is it not the case that if you don’t buy a season ticket for say one season but then buy one the season after you start again from scratch on the points system
Losing all the points you had accrued during the years of constant buying of a season ticket.

[Leisure]

Is it not the case that if you don’t buy a season ticket for say one season but then buy one the season after you start again from scratch on the points system
Losing all the points you had accrued during the years of constant buying of a season ticket.

No, you retain your points even when you don't renew. That's not the case at some clubs and is a way they deter people from not renewing.

[Milltown1882]

I left this at 256 replies this morning, Christ this is gonna take some catching up.

[Rick_Muller]

My post was in response to a post from MDWat not you. You can see his post above mine. No bells ringing here.

Ok fair enough. So there’s no system in place for individuals to purchase large amounts of tickets using a pool of claret numbers over the years to distribute mainly to those who’s claret numbers are included but obviously not all get used and are then distributed via other means? Let’s say for instance a large group of lads from London who aren’t season ticket holders getting their tickets for Luton away from someone who “runs a supporters club” (for the record I’m not suggesting it’s you who did that, but I’m asking if that is what happens)

[wilks_bfc]

Is it not the case that if you don’t buy a season ticket for say one season but then buy one the season after you start again from scratch on the points system
Losing all the points you had accrued during the years of constant buying of a season ticket.

I think you keep the points but they in effect become “worthlesss” whilst you don’t have a ST as being a STH is part of the criteria with the number of points required

[WestMidsClaret]

Hang on lads, slow down I'm just getting my popcorn.

[Leisure]

Ok fair enough. So there’s no system in place for individuals to purchase large amounts of tickets using a pool of claret numbers over the years to distribute mainly to those who’s claret numbers are included but obviously not all get used and are then distributed via other means? Let’s say for instance a large group of lads from London who aren’t season ticket holders getting their tickets for Luton away from someone who “runs a supporters club” (for the record I’m not suggesting it’s you who did that, but I’m asking if that is what happens)

I suppose that's quite possible but you may want to consider the possibility that those lads got their tickets from players comps.

[Rick_Muller]

I suppose that's quite possible but you may want to consider the possibility that those lads got their tickets from players comps.

Nah, specifically said a supporters club contact

[AGENT_CLARET]

B@stard fans reading all this will be P1ssing themselves and thinking job done

[DAVETHEVICAR]

I am a season ticket holder for all the years the points system has been in place
I am 78 and have no transport from Lincoln and trains unreliable
I have been to one home game this year with an overnight stay at the Premier Inn
I did not apply for Rovers tickets as at my age it is easier to watch on TV than the hassle of getting across and Premier Inn stay
I keep renewing as I love Burnley FC and £20 a month is very affordable
I may wish to go to the occasional away game on train from Lincoln which are direct to London.
So even if you retain points , I shall continue to renew
UTC

[Big Vinny K]

B@stard fans reading all this will be P1ssing themselves and thinking job done

Of course something like this was going to divide and upset our fans for a short while
But when you are saying “job done” it’s not really going to achieve much.
It won’t get them promoted and won’t give them any better chance of beating us on the day. They lose a big chunk of revenue they can ill afford to lose and they are getting criticism from other teams and the league which will only get worse on the night when sky are explaining the half empty stand.

A hundred or so fans falling out on a message board for a few weeks is hardly job done tbh !

[Bangers&Mash]

I left this at 256 replies this morning, Christ this is gonna take some catching up.

Don’t bother!

[Jakubclaret]

The venkys can afford to lose money it's the exact only thing they've been good at since arriving in east lancashire FFS comical or what.

[Leisure]

Nah, specifically said a supporters club contact

If they were from London, then they maybe London Clarets.

[levraiclaret]

Blackburn's antics have been pathetic, no doubt about that, but the way some people are talking it's as though they've missed out on tickets to see us play in the FA Cup final at Wembley.

Some people write match reports for every game, and some people ( me ) value those reports.

[Jakubclaret]

Some people write match reports for every game, and some people ( me ) value those reports.

Missing 1 isn't going to signal the end of world surely, for 1 match report can't somebody else step in & do it.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Ok fair enough. So there’s no system in place for individuals to purchase large amounts of tickets using a pool of claret numbers over the years to distribute mainly to those who’s claret numbers are included but obviously not all get used and are then distributed via other means? Let’s say for instance a large group of lads from London who aren’t season ticket holders getting their tickets for Luton away from someone who “runs a supporters club” (for the record I’m not suggesting it’s you who did that, but I’m asking if that is what happens)

Really poor if things like that are happening.

[Big Vinny K]

How lovely to see love blossoming on the board tonight
Marriage made in heaven

[helmclaret]

Some of us used to do match reports on the claretsmad site.

[dandeclaret]

I think what’s makes the point is the fact that some of the fans at the very top of the system could actually stop buying tickets for a few years, but retain their status.

I’ve got 7.5k points. If I didn’t miss a game for 5 years, I won’t pass some fans for almost a decade, even if they never stepped foot on the Turf again.

You're right Oz - I still have 8,000 odd points in the account, and haven't been really since moving to Ireland over 10 years ago. A purchase of a season ticket after an 11 year break would put me back in the top bracket. Totally wrong.

[Milltown1882]

You can write a match report off the telly, it’s what 99% of journalists do these days.

[Elizabeth]

How lovely to see love blossoming on the board tonight
Marriage made in heaven

Especially as you do your utmost to keep everything sweet

[Here's-Johnny]

B@stard fans reading all this will be P1ssing themselves and thinking job done

Exactly

[Milltown1882]

477 posts for one guy trying to get an away ticket. This site is amazing.

[gandhisflipflop]

Yet a similar post was made about Blackpool and there was silence from certain people.

[Big Vinny K]

You're right Oz - I still have 8,000 odd points in the account, and haven't been really since moving to Ireland over 10 years ago. A purchase of a season ticket after an 11 year break would put me back in the top bracket. Totally wrong.

I think there would be quite a lot of consensus amongst most of our fans to a revamp of our loyalty system and developing something along the lines of a 5 year rolling system with more weight given than currently to attendance of away (and cup) games.
This very issue is about an away game and demand far out stripping supply yet there are many fans who never or rarely attends games who have ended up with a ticket.
Personally I don’t attend anywhere near as many away games as i did when I was younger yet with almost 10k points I could pretty much attend any away game I want to which in some situations means supporters who travel away far more than me will miss out. Next season in the Premier league this situation is likely to be even more of an issue as we will be back to getting a small number of tickets at many grounds and with a fresh excitement around VK and the team there will often be a lot more demand than supply.
So now would be a perfect time for the club to work with supporters and incorporate some of this feedback into a new system.

[Big Vinny K]

Especially as you do your utmost to keep everything sweet

Will be a marriage like Fred & Rose West.
To save you writing my invite I’m washing my hair that day sorry.

[Elizabeth]

Will be a marriage like Fred & Rose West.
To save you writing my invite I’m washing my hair that day sorry.

Once again Big Vinny, you write in a manner that is beyond the normal pathway of most people. You keep washing your hair though

[Jimmymaccer]

This one should die a natural death now…………….massive few games coming up to enjoy and yeah, those lucky enough to get to Ewood should really let that lot know just how pathetic their club has been……….

We are Burnley, super Burnley!

[Elizabeth]

It should have died before it started

[Cooclaret]

How this thread is still allowed to be open when other, less offensive ones have been closed is a question that needs to be addressed by moderators.

There’s: infighting, accusations, libel, potential bullying and (club) politics throughout.

These things should’ve ensured this was locked.

[Burnley1989]

Folk would have only jumped on CTs back again if he had closed it to be fair

[Longsidelou]

I found that article rather self opinionated. I missed out too. My point count is on a par with Claret Tony. It’s the luck of the draw. That’s life, win some lose some. I don’t go bleating and write articles because I missed out on the lottery and I’ve been playing since it started. I’m just hoping them very lucky Burnley have a cracking day. We are ALL Burnley fans regardless of points, regardless of what away game we went to back in the day, or how many we’ve attended. It’s a ballot and even tho I lost out I still think it’s the fairest way of doing it. ENJOY THE DAY FELLOW CLARETS

[Elizabeth]

How this thread is still allowed to be open when other, less offensive ones have been closed is a question that needs to be addressed by moderators.

There’s: infighting, accusations, libel, potential bullying and (club) politics throughout.

These things should’ve ensured this was locked.

The moderators have been all over this thread removing posts when it suited.
Libel? Bullying?

[Conroy92]

Because I have more chance of tickets than a 16 year old purely because of my age. They are no more or less loyal, not more or less passionate about the football club than I am.

Nail on head.

[Conroy92]

I’d rather support a system that works over a rolling period.

Those with the most points would still have top dibs but if those people stop going as much over, say, a 5 year period, you’d allow those with less (likely younger fans) points chance to get to big games, which is more likely to breed the next generation of fan.

I don’t support a system that just purely works for me.

MDwat bringing some sense to this debate.

[Conroy92]

I think there would be quite a lot of consensus amongst most of our fans to a revamp of our loyalty system and developing something along the lines of a 5 year rolling system with more weight given than currently to attendance of away (and cup) games.
This very issue is about an away game and demand far out stripping supply yet there are many fans who never or rarely attends games who have ended up with a ticket.
Personally I don’t attend anywhere near as many away games as i did when I was younger yet with almost 10k points I could pretty much attend any away game I want to which in some situations means supporters who travel away far more than me will miss out. Next season in the Premier league this situation is likely to be even more of an issue as we will be back to getting a small number of tickets at many grounds and with a fresh excitement around VK and the team there will often be a lot more demand than supply.
So now would be a perfect time for the club to work with supporters and incorporate some of this feedback into a new system.

I'm guessing you don't fit into that consensus Vinny given your comments on page 2 telling another poster he was missing the point when he suggested his nephew missed out due to age and points collected.

Few of these lot are trying to edge back across, great watching.

[alwaysaclaret]

It should have died before it started

Well done E, best post on the thread

[alwaysaclaret]

Some of the last few post's making sense at last

[Big Vinny K]

I'm guessing you don't fit into that consensus Vinny given your comments on page 2 telling another poster he was missing the point when he suggested his nephew missed out due to age and points collected.

Few of these lot are trying to edge back across, great watching.

Tbf the missing the point bit was a reference to having a random ballot as a solution.
I also said in subsequent posts that under whatever system you develop both the 60 year old and the 10 year old who had both not missed a game in 5 years should always be allocated a ticket.
Unless there is only 1 ticket available and in that case I would say that a 60 year old who had been also supporting them for 40 years should take priority over the 10 year old - if only because who is going to look after a 10 year old on his own ?!!!!

[Oshkoshclaret]

I asked ChatGPT to weigh in on this debate and will post the response below. I should say that these views are not my own and ChatGPT definitely has some flaws. But as we embrace the brave new world of AI, perhaps it can help us think things like this through.

Dear ClaretTony and fellow message board members,

I hope this message finds you all in good spirits, despite the recent controversy surrounding ticket distribution for the Blackburn game. I would like to address some concerns that have been circulating on this board, specifically those raised by our moderator ClaretTony.

ClaretTony, as a well-respected and long-standing member of this community, your opinions and insights are valued by all of us. However, I believe it's essential to maintain a level-headed and fair approach when it comes to discussing the club and its decisions.

It's understandable that you're disappointed with not being allocated tickets in the ballot. We all share the same love and passion for the club and missing out on a game is never a pleasant experience. However, this doesn't warrant the sour grapes and sense of entitlement that has been evident in your recent posts.

Criticizing the club solely based on your personal misfortune is not constructive and does not contribute to a healthy discourse among fans. A football club is a collective endeavor, and it's important to remember that we all win and lose together. We should be supporting our club through thick and thin, rather than tearing it down because of a single disappointment.

It's important to remind ourselves that the ticketing system in place is designed to be as fair as possible. The ballot system may not be perfect, but it aims to give all fans an equal opportunity to attend games. Your criticism, therefore, seems to stem from a place of entitlement rather than genuine concern for the well-being of the club and its supporters.

As a moderator, it is your responsibility to foster a positive environment on this message board, where fans can come together and share their thoughts without fear of retribution or unjust criticism. Your recent posts have strayed from this path, and I encourage you to reflect on your role within this community.

We are all fans, united in our love for the club. Let us move forward together, constructively addressing any concerns and celebrating our shared passion for the team we all cherish.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I asked ChatGPT to weigh in on this debate and will post the response below. I should say that these views are not my own and ChatGPT definitely has some flaws. But as we embrace the brave new world of AI, perhaps it can help us think things like this through.

Dear ClaretTony and fellow message board members,

I hope this message finds you all in good spirits, despite the recent controversy surrounding ticket distribution for the Blackburn game. I would like to address some concerns that have been circulating on this board, specifically those raised by our moderator ClaretTony.

ClaretTony, as a well-respected and long-standing member of this community, your opinions and insights are valued by all of us. However, I believe it's essential to maintain a level-headed and fair approach when it comes to discussing the club and its decisions.

It's understandable that you're disappointed with not being allocated tickets in the ballot. We all share the same love and passion for the club and missing out on a game is never a pleasant experience. However, this doesn't warrant the sour grapes and sense of entitlement that has been evident in your recent posts.

Criticizing the club solely based on your personal misfortune is not constructive and does not contribute to a healthy discourse among fans. A football club is a collective endeavor, and it's important to remember that we all win and lose together. We should be supporting our club through thick and thin, rather than tearing it down because of a single disappointment.

It's important to remind ourselves that the ticketing system in place is designed to be as fair as possible. The ballot system may not be perfect, but it aims to give all fans an equal opportunity to attend games. Your criticism, therefore, seems to stem from a place of entitlement rather than genuine concern for the well-being of the club and its supporters.

As a moderator, it is your responsibility to foster a positive environment on this message board, where fans can come together and share their thoughts without fear of retribution or unjust criticism. Your recent posts have strayed from this path, and I encourage you to reflect on your role within this community.

We are all fans, united in our love for the club. Let us move forward together, constructively addressing any concerns and celebrating our shared passion for the team we all cherish.

I'm scared, Dave

[aggi]

I think there would be quite a lot of consensus amongst most of our fans to a revamp of our loyalty system and developing something along the lines of a 5 year rolling system with more weight given than currently to attendance of away (and cup) games.
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There hasn't been previously when it has been brought up. There are plenty of threads where those with lots of points have been of the opinion that it works fine as it is (well, up until a couple of days ago).

[Boss Hogg]

I think there would be quite a lot of consensus amongst most of our fans to a revamp of our loyalty system and developing something along the lines of a 5 year rolling system with more weight given than currently to attendance of away (and cup) games.
This very issue is about an away game and demand far out stripping supply yet there are many fans who never or rarely attends games who have ended up with a ticket.
Personally I don’t attend anywhere near as many away games as i did when I was younger yet with almost 10k points I could pretty much attend any away game I want to which in some situations means supporters who travel away far more than me will miss out. Next season in the Premier league this situation is likely to be even more of an issue as we will be back to getting a small number of tickets at many grounds and with a fresh excitement around VK and the team there will often be a lot more demand than supply.
So now would be a perfect time for the club to work with supporters and incorporate some of this feedback into a new system.

The system does need revamping but will representatives of supporters group want to suggest this if they personally lose out in a fairer system for all ?

[Big Vinny K]

There hasn't been previously when it has been brought up. There are plenty of threads where those with lots of points have been of the opinion that it works fine as it is (well, up until a couple of days ago).

Sorry I meant consensus developing on this thread

[alwaysaclaret]

As well as awarding points for away games only, why not have a 5 year life for loyalty points. I think it’s already been mentioned. Regular, recent supporters who travel away will continue to be rewarded and those hanging their hats on their loyalty 10 years ago but now passing tickets on to their grandkids at others expense would drop off the list. As regards new fans not getting a look in, I think it’s only a handful of games this season that there’s been an issue getting tickets. (Huddersfield, Luton & Blackburn) they could quickly accrue points if they regularly attended away games.

Reasonable suggestion, but I still think some people would find it hard to let go of the principle that they should have priority no matter what, but very reasonable suggestion on the face of it.