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Nigel Lawson RIP
Former Chancellor of the Exchequer, Nigel Lawson, has died at the age of 91.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65167914
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65167914
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In his absence...
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Politics thread...
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Exactly this.
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Probably his greatest achievement was to father a daughter…
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Does it really matter please for basic sake of humanity let's just pay our respects yes he was politician but some people would like to offer their humble RIP messages, RIP Nigel.
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Disgraceful comment.He served the country you may not agree with his politics but show some respect .
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Why? Political stuff shouldn't be on here anyway.
Pay your respects elsewhere if you care that much.
Pay your respects elsewhere if you care that much.
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Lot of clutching at pearls going on here!
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Good innnings
Never agreed with his stuff, especially his late climate denial whataboutery but still a political giant of his time
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Good innnings
Never agreed with his stuff, especially his late climate denial whataboutery but still a political giant of his time
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Here we go again. Have the mods taken a week off?
The rest of you: HAVE A DAY OFF!
The rest of you: HAVE A DAY OFF!
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They only serve themselves and will not get any respect from me.CrisyPbacon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:26 amDisgraceful comment.He served the country you may not agree with his politics but show some respect .
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The tolerant left
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I'll play "piggies" from the Beatles white album to show my respects.
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That's what Tories are.
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Says the guy/gal who is usually one of the main contributors to almost every political thread on this board.evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:40 amWhy? Political stuff shouldn't be on here anyway.
Pay your respects elsewhere if you care that much.
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I'd be curious to know if any of the detractors on here had actually worked with Ministers or MPs? They work very hard and very long hours, spending days away from their families and being in the public eye constantly receiving abuse and threats. And yes, they make life and death decisions affecting millions of people and the future of this country. While they don't earn a poor wage by any stretch, they earn less in a year than Messi makes in a day. They earn less than around 6 or 7 million people in the UK whose jobs, I'd argue, are much "easier".
I'd say most, but definitely not all, are trying their best to help the country in the way that they think best. Whether you agree with the way they want to achieve that is irrelevant - blame democracy because the people voted the party in.
But when someone dies, especially one who has spent a lot of their life in public service, I'll give them respect for at least trying to make the country better, regardless of whether they were successful or I agree with their politics or not.
I'd say most, but definitely not all, are trying their best to help the country in the way that they think best. Whether you agree with the way they want to achieve that is irrelevant - blame democracy because the people voted the party in.
But when someone dies, especially one who has spent a lot of their life in public service, I'll give them respect for at least trying to make the country better, regardless of whether they were successful or I agree with their politics or not.
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sleeperclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:00 amI'd be curious to know if any of the detractors on here had actually worked with Ministers or MPs? They work very hard and very long hours, spending days away from their families and being in the public eye constantly receiving abuse and threats. And yes, they make life and death decisions affecting millions of people and the future of this country. While they don't earn a poor wage by any stretch, they earn less in a year than Messi makes in a day. They earn less than around 6 or 7 million people in the UK whose jobs, I'd argue, are much "easier".
I'd say most, but definitely not all, are trying their best to help the country in the way that they think best. Whether you agree with the way they want to achieve that is irrelevant - blame democracy because the people voted the party in.
But when someone dies, especially one who has spent a lot of their life in public service, I'll give them respect for at least trying to make the country better, regardless of whether they were successful or I agree with their politics or not.
Doffs cap, tugs forelock and goes back to his copy of Horse and Hound.
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I’ll have you know that the left are very tolerant…….if you share their view!
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Main instigator of policies that engineered huge wealth inequality in the country. Flogged everything. Brexiteer who lived in France. Once remember him telling blatant lies about climate change on the Today programme. RIP
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I can understand why people may not agree with his politics but the reason many have fallen out with the 'new' left is the nastiness we see displayed here.
Nigel Lawson was a moderate who, as Sleeper says, was one of the majority of politicians, on both sides, who try to make a difference and he inspired much of the economic growth strategy of Tony Blair, another moderate.
This is not the time for the 'never kissed a Tory' crowd to gloat. But it's no surprise as the left wing of the Labour party never fails to let themselves down in this way.
RIP
Nigel Lawson was a moderate who, as Sleeper says, was one of the majority of politicians, on both sides, who try to make a difference and he inspired much of the economic growth strategy of Tony Blair, another moderate.
This is not the time for the 'never kissed a Tory' crowd to gloat. But it's no surprise as the left wing of the Labour party never fails to let themselves down in this way.
RIP
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RIP Nigel Lawson, one of our longest serving chancellors, and like many of Thatcher's 80's cabinet he will divide opinion, however compared to the dross we've got presently on all sides of the house that period holds up well.
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If you want to make it that way you have succeeded.
Its about the passing of a man who was a well known figure and who happened to be a poitician and might I say unlike todays shower a rather good one.
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Some of them do meet this description. Unfortunately lots of them do not and if you think that the MPs salary is the only source of income for the majority of MPs then that’s pretty naive. I have met plenty of MPs and people aspiring to be MPs and many of them aspire to be in politics because of the contacts, influence and ‘power” this brings which will often stay with them for a long time after they have stopped being MPs (look at the roles many of them take up after leaving)sleeperclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:00 amI'd be curious to know if any of the detractors on here had actually worked with Ministers or MPs? They work very hard and very long hours, spending days away from their families and being in the public eye constantly receiving abuse and threats. And yes, they make life and death decisions affecting millions of people and the future of this country. While they don't earn a poor wage by any stretch, they earn less in a year than Messi makes in a day. They earn less than around 6 or 7 million people in the UK whose jobs, I'd argue, are much "easier".
I'd say most, but definitely not all, are trying their best to help the country in the way that they think best. Whether you agree with the way they want to achieve that is irrelevant - blame democracy because the people voted the party in.
But when someone dies, especially one who has spent a lot of their life in public service, I'll give them respect for at least trying to make the country better, regardless of whether they were successful or I agree with their politics or not.
The late Peter Pike was closer to your description of an MP than most. Unfortunately our current MP for Burnley and also Kitty Usher (who was even worse) are much closer to what I am talking about. Then you look at the likes of Jenrick, Hancock and many many others and we are talking a whole different level.
RIP Nigel Lawson - your politics and your life could not be much further removed than mine but he made his mark and he also spoke out recently when Truss came to power warning her policies would blow up the economy…..so at least he made more sense than a certain poster on this board.
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Nothing compared with the nastiness on display, every day, by the current and previous Tory governments. I guess one major difference is that the tories have over the last 13 years been able to ensure that their nastiness is in the form of more than simply words.
I didn't agree with Lawson's policies and feel that he and others in Thatcher's cabinet are responsible for many of the ills that have befallen the UK over the last 3-4 decades, reflected perhaps in the prevalent sense of nastiness. I am sure he worked hard though for his estimated £20 million net worth.
RIP Nigel
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Yes, of course there are many attracted by the power and connections and influence that flows around it. Some MPs do well out of it. In recent times it has become a bit of a career choice, with some MPs now having not done very much else other than work in politics or the party their entire lives. So of course there's group think about how that career should pan out, like most professions, to maximise long term financial benefits. I have planned my career working to the same goals; earn more money and increase my earning potential for the future. It doesn't make me evil or bad at my job, or that I've been underhand. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not an MP!Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:52 amSome of them do meet this description. Unfortunately lots of them do not and if you think that the MPs salary is the only source of income for the majority of MPs then that’s pretty naive. I have met plenty of MPs and people aspiring to be MPs and many of them aspire to be in politics because of the contacts, influence and ‘power” this brings which will often stay with them for a long time after they have stopped being MPs (look at the roles many of them take up after leaving)
The late Peter Pike was closer to your description of an MP than most. Unfortunately our current MP for Burnley and also Kitty Usher (who was even worse) are much closer to what I am talking about. Then you look at the likes of Jenrick, Hancock and many many others and we are talking a whole different level.
RIP Nigel Lawson - your politics and your life could not be much further removed than mine but he made his mark and he also spoke out recently when Truss came to power warning her policies would blow up the economy…..so at least he made more sense than a certain poster on this board.
Of course, some MPs are bad at their job, which is to serve the country to the best of their ability, not to sacrifice that for their career. In my view, Nigel Lawson tried to serve the country and did well out of it in the process.
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Wonder when the OP will be along to scoop up the results of him lobbing another hand grenade into the pond…
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An article detailing his achievements as Chancellor below. It's technically behind a paywall but I think you get a few free articles if anybody is interesting in learning about what Nigel Lawson achieved.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nig ... formation/
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nig ... formation/
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Recommended by Rowls and written by the Spectator.Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:29 pmAn article detailing his achievements as Chancellor below. It's technically behind a paywall but I think you get a few free articles if anybody is interesting in learning about what Nigel Lawson achieved.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nig ... formation/
Bound to be objective.
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I think it's fair. It's obviously sympathetic to him but if you acutally read it then you'll know it places numerous criticisms on his actions as well as praise for the many things he got right.
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That's absolute humbug Rowls.
It's basically a predictable cumfest of adolation towards a man of questionable integrity and limited competence, with a mandate to shift as much wealth and power away from ordinary working men as he could, as quickly as he could.
It has some miniscule criticisms designed to give the article an appearance of objectivity.
You won't see that because you're obsessively subjective in everything political.
Of course I read it..along with others far more balanced.
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Grinding people's faces: acceptable, respectable, commendable
Macabre humour: unacceptable, disrespectful, condemnable
Macabre humour: unacceptable, disrespectful, condemnable
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There's plenty of criticism in there fatboy. It's part of an obituary so it would hardly be corruscating, even if the Spectator were supportive of his achievements.fatboy47 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:56 pmThat's absolute humbug Rowls.
It's basically a predictable cumfest of adolation towards a man of questionable integrity and limited competence, with a mandate to shift as much wealth and power away from ordinary working men as he could, as quickly as he could.
It has some miniscule criticisms designed to give the article an appearance of objectivity.
You won't see that because you're obsessively subjective in everything political.
Of course I read it..along with others far more balanced.
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I think it's futile to ask for 100% respect on a forum when it comes to politicians who were as divisive as Lawson, and I say this as someone who has voted for all of the mainstream parties at one time or another. In fact, you wouldn't get 100% on a right wing leaning forum. Such is politics, and it's naive to think otherwise.
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It certainly is here debatable.elsewhere what sort of reaction you would get, common decency for some people wouldn't let a Lib dem or a labour or a conservative get in the way of a simple RIP.
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Let's be honest here, Jakub. You don't really care one way or the other. You're using this as a stick to beat those you tangle with on a daily basis. I think deceitfulness is far worse in this regard.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:20 pmIt certainly is here debatable.elsewhere what sort of reaction you would get, common decency for some people wouldn't let a Lib dem or a labour or a conservative get in the way of a simple RIP.
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And you aren’t?
From what I can see you all are on this board, the difference between Rowls and the rest of you though is the fact that he never plays the man. I disagree with all of his politics but I will read his posts because ad hominem is not his thing, unlike many others to whom it is the first port of call. The hypocrisy of many of the self styled “progressives” on here is staggering. They profess to be tolerant of others but are always prepared to stereotype members of a social group whenever it suits, because to them they are fair game. They throw terms such as gammon and boomer in a totally pejorative way because all, middle aged to old aged, white people are all little Englanders. Unthinking red faced racist brexiteers incapable of rational thought. A point of view that ticks all of the ism boxes
Racist
Sexist
Ageist
But not there to be challenged because, just like David Baddiel’s argument re-Jewish people, the people in their target group don’t matter.
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If it was anybody barring the likes of ian Huntley I think you get my drift a simple RIP would be offered, if I personally didn't like the person I'd just ignore the thread & be respectful to others who did, but that's me & we aren't all the same people I can respect that, I'm not debating on this thread about this because I deem it inappropriate but on another appropriate thread I'd continue, I'll wish you a good day.Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:26 pmLet's be honest here, Jakub. You don't really care one way or the other. You're using this as a stick to beat those who you tangle with on a daily basis. I think deceitfulness is far worse in this regard.
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I met him once and I was absolutely stunned at how rotund he was. Far bigger than he came across on the telly. A proper big fat butterball. Good on him for shifting all that.
I'll now add my humble RIP message.
I'll now add my humble RIP message.
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Grinding people's faces:
That sounds a bit lefty.
RIP Nigel Lawson.
That sounds a bit lefty.
RIP Nigel Lawson.