Howe Vs Dyche

[Papabendi]

Football always wins

[Burnleyareback2]

If that’s the case we would probably be in league 1 and spent much lower than the 6 years in the top flight.

[Jakubclaret]

Money always the victor.

[4midable]

Send the dippers down

[PremierLeagueClass]

What is this bizarre obsession certain posters have with getting at Dyche at every opportunity? He transformed us and got us where we are today. He achieved things nobody thought possible
and things we may never see again. Don’t know they’re born some posters

[Goalposts]

Without dyche there’s no training ground like we have today, without dyche there’s NO Vincent KOMPANY. Without dyche there’s no platform for progression. He left a legacy and the great thing is , the next manager is building on it. The last 3 managers :- Howe , dyche, VK have been master strokes in building the football club

[4midable]

Still
Hope everton go down

[claret2018]

I think it’s perfectly acceptable to appreciate what Dyche did for us, and also be validated in thinking his last 2 and a bit years as a manager have been god awful. Thank god we finally got rid when we did.

Also it will be categorically hilarious if Everton go down.

[CoolClaret]

I will say Dyche was on an absolute hiding to nothing with the Everton gig - lost two key players and signed non and arrived in 19th place at the end of January - hardly optimal ..

But i must say, I do think he’s started to believe his own crap a little bit - maybe a touch too arrogant.

The numerous podcast appearances got a little bit thin for example -

To be fair to Howe when he left Bournemouth he spent the time at training grounds in and around Europe to develop his philosophy and methodology… can the same be said of Dyche?

I think as a man manager he’s obviously brilliant but he would probably be best parting ways with Woan & Co. He might rejuvenate himself with a different back room cast; his loyalty is admirable but is it optimal?

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

I want Everton to go down, I was disappointed when they appointed Dyche because there was a conflict of interest however the wanting Everton relegated wins every time!

[Quicknick]

I'd much rather Leeds went down.

[alboclaret]

Its not dyche. Its everton. Cant stand them.

[tarkys_ears]

What is this bizarre obsession certain posters have with getting at Dyche at every opportunity? He transformed us and got us where we are today. He achieved things nobody thought possible
and things we may never see again. Don’t know they’re born some posters

Because he's a 1 trick pony and quite frankly, a bit of an irritating ****

...and before anyone bleats on about "yesterday" - there's no scraps in my scrapbook. You're only as good as your last result

[Papabendi]

Money always the victor.

Plenty of cash in that Everton team. Perhaps not the way Dyche would want it tho. In any case he got a right schooling off Howe tonight.

[Here's-Johnny]

I want Everton to go down, I was disappointed when they appointed Dyche because there was a conflict of interest however the wanting Everton relegated wins every time!

# Me Too

[Jakubclaret]

Plenty of cash in that Everton team. Perhaps not the way Dyche would want it tho. In any case he got a right schooling off Howe tonight.

That's true but if you do the sums Newcastle's will massively outweigh, it's not always the case that money rules but it's more often than not the surefire factor in deciding the outcome.

[dermotdermot]

I will say Dyche was on an absolute hiding to nothing with the Everton gig - lost two key players and signed non and arrived in 19th place at the end of January - hardly optimal ..

But i must say, I do think he’s started to believe his own crap a little bit - maybe a touch too arrogant.

The numerous podcast appearances got a little bit thin for example -

To be fair to Howe when he left Bournemouth he spent the time at training grounds in and around Europe to develop his philosophy and methodology… can the same be said of Dyche?

I think as a man manager he’s obviously brilliant but he would probably be best parting ways with Woan & Co. He might rejuvenate himself with a different back room cast; his loyalty is admirable but is it optimal?

Steve Stone especially. Seemed to a catalyst to our demise.

[ClaretinJapan]

I want Everton to go down, I was disappointed when they appointed Dyche because there was a conflict of interest however the wanting Everton relegated wins every time!

It does. Colleague and a good mate are Everton fans. I discuss them with a sympathetic tone, but inwardly will be chortling if they drop. I think they'll stay up by the skin of their teeth again.

[NRC]

McNeil scored again!

[Woodleyclaret]

Eddie chocked at Burnley he couldn't handle our expectations
Sean was brilliant what he achieved with very little money was nothing short of miraculous
Everton was my nearest team growing up and I hate Leeds and would like to see them down. However .apart from the 3 ex Clarets the rest didn't give a monkeys last night.No stomach or heart and the way the "fans" deserted their team was disgraceful.

[ElectroClaret]

I'd much rather Leeds went down.

Be great if they both dropped.

[AmbleClaret]

Because he's a 1 trick pony and quite frankly, a bit of an irritating ****

...and before anyone bleats on about "yesterday" - there's no scraps in my scrapbook. You're only as good as your last result

So you presumably wanted Kompany sacked after we lost to QPR.

[NottsClaret]

I still think they’ll stay up. At this stage, people understandably overreact to every result and say ‘that’s it, they’re gone’ but there’s 15 points to play for and they’re 2 points from safety.

[Jakubclaret]

I still think they’ll stay up. At this stage, people understandably overreact to every result and say ‘that’s it, they’re gone’ but there’s 15 points to play for and they’re 2 points from safety.

Everybody down at the bottom have to go for it there's far too much at stake for clubs not to, even Southampton will be trying their best but are getting outdone by better quality sides nobody will be downing tools until mathematically safe.

[Lancasterclaret]

Remember how bad we were till Dyche had a pre-season with us?

This is what essentially is happening to Everton, and he's been left a load of crap/massively out of form/injured players

Newcastle under Howe are a great watch this season, but he's got some ridiculously good players, players that Sean Dyche and Everton can only dream of

And how every much I like and appreciate Sean Dyche, the premier league needs big clubs to go down so that there is a chance that football can take a look at itself and stop spending fortunes

Oh, and it would be hilarious as well

[Hapag Lloyd]

Money always the victor.

If spent wisely.

[4midable]

I'd much rather Leeds went down.

Both

[Spijed]

Why doesn't anyone want Leicester to go down?

[Jakubclaret]

If spent wisely.

True it's wise not to squander cash for sure there's a good true saying a fool & his money soon parted.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Why doesn't anyone want Leicester to go down?

Rovers hold the dubious honour of being the only former champions since 92 to have been relegated, which is amusing
Leicester would make that two...maybe that's why people don't want them to go down

[arise_sir_charge]

Remember how bad we were till Dyche had a pre-season with us?

This is what essentially is happening to Everton, and he's been left a load of crap/massively out of form/injured players

Newcastle under Howe are a great watch this season, but he's got some ridiculously good players, players that Sean Dyche and Everton can only dream of

And how every much I like and appreciate Sean Dyche, the premier league needs big clubs to go down so that there is a chance that football can take a look at itself and stop spending fortunes

Oh, and it would be hilarious as well

Whilst the pre season point may be valid, I don’t think that Everton fans would accept what Dyche serves up next season if he fully instils his methods. It’s turgid and football has moved on.

As someone said above, in his time away from the game he had opportunity to reinvent himself and show that he’s not a one trick pony and that all those that said “he only plays that way because he had to” were right. I actually think that Mike Jackson disproved that point is his short tenure last season.

The evidence so far at Everton isn’t looking like it will prove he’s anything but what a few on there thought he was.

He was great for us but the game moves on and it seems that Sean Dyche has been left behind.

[taio]

Why doesn't anyone want Leicester to go down?

For me, and I guess others, it's about who I want to go down most - Leeds and Everton well ahead of Leicester on that score, and it would be funny if they dropped.

[bfcjg]

Rovers hold the dubious honour of being the only former champions since 92 to have been relegated, which is amusing
Leicester would make that two...maybe that's why people don't want them to go down

The 2 teams whose owners bought them the title.

[Casper2]

If Everton go down that’ll will be 3 relegations on Dyches cv , shame really as he’s better than that .

[Ric_C]

The fact that Southampton are pretty much down after last night means that

Any two from these teams will also go down

Forest - Spent £180 million
Everton - horrible fans
Leeds - horrible club
Leicester - just annoying

Which to me is hilarious

[Ric_C]

As for Dyche, I'm wondering if he should have done a Howe and had a bit more of a time out to study current football trends. I think he's stuck in his own rut that he has created for himself really. The writing was on the wall when he wouldn't play Jack Cork last season, and he reverted to type.

I remember an early interview when he first joined, where he said he'd been to Germany to study gegenpressing etc, but that side of his philosophy slowly eroded to a more pragmatic approach. Maybe due to budgets who knows?

I felt at one point after the season we finished 7th that he would go on to be a top tier manager, he certainly has the man management skills, but since then, something has been lost along the way, and he is in danger of becoming another manager who is known for "tightening the ship" like a Pulis or a Bruce, which is a shame.

[Chobulous]

Why doesn't anyone want Leicester to go down?

I do, more than any other club I want Leicester to go down. To me they epitomise everything that is wrong with the PL. They built that stadium then avoided paying for it at the cost of ruining the livelihoods of scores of local businesses. They are an utter disgrace and should never have been allowed to continue to be in business.
That’s before I get onto the diving and cheating that they have developed into an art form with the likes of Vardy et al

[Jakubclaret]

Whilst the pre season point may be valid, I don’t think that Everton fans would accept what Dyche serves up next season if he fully instils his methods. It’s turgid and football has moved on.

As someone said above, in his time away from the game he had opportunity to reinvent himself and show that he’s not a one trick pony and that all those that said “he only plays that way because he had to” were right. I actually think that Mike Jackson disproved that point is his short tenure last season.

The evidence so far at Everton isn’t looking like it will prove he’s anything but what a few on there thought he was.

He was great for us but the game moves on and it seems that Sean Dyche has been left behind.

SD should have been appointed sooner & allowed more control in the transfer market if that was possible with the constraints, the fault doesn't & shouldn't be with dyche he's a good manager but nobody can work miracles at Everton in them circumstances & he might still do it.

[arise_sir_charge]

I don’t believe that keeping Everton up is “working a miracle”…..barring Arsenal they are the current longest serving member of the top tier! They survive year on year.

I called it at the time Dyche joined Everton. His biggest issue for me is that if they do go down, I think he will lose his job. That’s a almighty blot on his copy book.

[davideyresleftear]

...and before anyone bleats on about "yesterday" - there's no scraps in my scrapbook. You're only as good as your last result

Why would you own a scrapbook if you don't intend to put scraps in it. But anyway, wow, what a way to take the romance out of football. Your last result. How about trophies, promotions, historic derby wins, last minute free kick winners, pre-match pints, half-time moans on the terrace, academy players coming good, your favorite player getting applause on their last game.

Surely the point of being a supporter is to appreciate these highs and savor the memories years down the line. Not to adopt the equivalent of hand-to-mouth supporting, where you only ever think about the last result. By your logic, you could win the FA Cup, and your next game is a pre-season friendly against Lincoln which you scrape 2-1. Your philosophy would mean the FA cup win is forgotten and only the Lincoln result matters.

"Oh, do you remember that great restaurant we ate at in Madrid last year?"
"Food is only as good as your last meal. (Cheese on toast)"

"How about that brilliant series we binged last month?"
"TV is only as good as the last thing you watched (Grenada reports)"

"Hey, what's your favorite album?"
"Music is only as good as the last thing you listened to (A radio jingle for Colgate toothpaste)"

[Stayingup]

Without dyche there’s no training ground like we have today, without dyche there’s NO Vincent KOMPANY. Without dyche there’s no platform for progression. He left a legacy and the great thing is , the next manager is building on it. The last 3 managers :- Howe , dyche, VK have been master strokes in building the football club

Very true but some people don't want to see it this way.

[Stayingup]

Not looking good for Everton. Its surprising that they appear so poor at the back. Tarkowski and Keane were so good for us, but then again thay had Ben Mee alongside them and Tom Heaton and Nick Pope at various times.

[RVclaret]

Saw this comment from an Everton fan

'He is nt the answer no plan B , no in game management when we concede first , no proactive subs , carries on picking favourites like Keane Tarky when conceding goals , plays defensive full backs when we need goals Patterson sat on bench
No chance we stay up with him at helm'

Sound familiar?

[Jakubclaret]

I don’t believe that keeping Everton up is “working a miracle”…..barring Arsenal they are the current longest serving member of the top tier! They survive year on year.

I called it at the time Dyche joined Everton. His biggest issue for me is that if they do go down, I think he will lose his job. That’s a almighty blot on his copy book.

Everton have been in a demise for years last season they had a close shave & I think they secured their PL status at GP against palace 3-2 if my memory serves me correct, it's not short of a miracle with him coming in at short notice losing DCL to injury & having the Gordon lad flogged, it might blot his copybook but I don't think it'll dissuade people from offering him another job realising his back was against the wall from the outset at his last job. Next season when VK struggles I think it'll start dawning with some folk just how well he did here.

[Lancasterclaret]

Whilst the pre season point may be valid, I don’t think that Everton fans would accept what Dyche serves up next season if he fully instils his methods. It’s turgid and football has moved on.

As someone said above, in his time away from the game he had opportunity to reinvent himself and show that he’s not a one trick pony and that all those that said “he only plays that way because he had to” were right. I actually think that Mike Jackson disproved that point is his short tenure last season.

The evidence so far at Everton isn’t looking like it will prove he’s anything but what a few on there thought he was.

He was great for us but the game moves on and it seems that Sean Dyche has been left behind.

Yes, I get that but you have to remember that we also had a season where we massively over achieved playing some very nice stuff

SD is pragmatic, and is far more realistic about the current Everton squad than your average Everton fan

I'm only guessing here, but I'm sure SD looked at the way Everton set up last night as the only way to compete with a very good Newcastle side, and they competed until Pickford punched the ball into Keane and the ball fell to Wilson

After that they collapsed, but players like Dacoure, Calvert Lewin, Iwobi and a few more are totally out of form and there just aren't enough quality players in there to play any other way

Time will tell of course, but if he keeps them up and still plays this way next season then I agree he's got no chance with that toxic fan base

[Shaggy]

Dyche isn’t keeping that lot up, he doesn’t have the tactical nous. He plays the same way every time like he did with us.

Everyone without an emotional attachment to him can see that.

I mean seamus Coleman injured so he plays a centre back at right back instead of a proper right back like Paterson who is a young dynamic player. Has no trust in young players at all. He’s a complete dinosaur who can’t adapt to the modern game.

His next job will be a lower half championship outfit.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Dyche isn’t keeping that lot up, he doesn’t have the tactical nous. He plays the same way every time like he did with us.

Everyone without an emotional attachment to him can see that.

I mean seamus Coleman injured so he plays a centre back at right back instead of a proper right back like Paterson who is a young dynamic player. Has no trust in young players at all. He’s a complete dinosaur who can’t adapt to the modern game.

His next job will be a lower half championship outfit.

Will he still be occupying your every minute when he is at the lower half championship club or will you finally be able to let it go. You can guarantee he will never spend 1 second of his life bothered about yourself, you should move on.

[Bosscat]

Will he still be occupying your every minute when he is at the lower half championship club or will you finally be able to let it go. You can guarantee he will never spend 1 second of his life bothered about yourself, you should move on.

Of course he will ... theres a little flat in Shaggys head that Dyche and Lewis Hamilton share and play loud music keeping him awake ... p*ssing him off when he is trying to sleep

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Saw this comment from an Everton fan

'He is nt the answer no plan B , no in game management when we concede first , no proactive subs , carries on picking favourites like Keane Tarky when conceding goals , plays defensive full backs when we need goals Patterson sat on bench
No chance we stay up with him at helm'

Sound familiar?

They weren't staying up with Lampard at the helm.

They were up against a team that's flying, hence the defensive fullbacks

They've got DCL, who's been out injured for a while and still appears to be out of form, so they're not scoring many goals regardless.

No plan B or a genuine lack of options with such a disjointed squad?
That squad needs clearing out and rebuilding properly, whether its in the PL or the championship but they need a manager who's proven in either league and Dyche fits that bill

[Ric_C]

They should have gone down last season, since then they have sold Gordon and Richarlison and not replaced either