Allegiance

[Jakubclaret]

I'll be swearing my allegiance until my last dying breath but I can understand people not wishing to go along with it, the whole idea of a invitation comprises of 2 parts accepting & declining.

[dougcollins]

I didn’t vote for him.

Who were the other candidates?

[Bosscat]

Don't tell him Pike!

Beat me to that one

[CoolClaret]

I'll be swearing my allegiance until my last dying breath but I can understand people not wishing to go along with it, the whole idea of a invitation comprises of 2 parts accepting & declining.

Make your mind up Jakub the other day you were pushing for Commnist ideals and now you're a Monarchist?!

More 180s than at the Ally Pally!

[Boss Hogg]

Allegiance to the country. The military processions are impressive and the work that goes into them. It is hard to get behind the Royals when they are selling books, going on tv shows and appearing in the likes of ok magazine. In this day and age I’d prefer we focused the time and money on helping the sick and elderly.

[Jakubclaret]

Make your mind up Jakub the other day you were pushing for Commnist ideals and now you're a Monarchist?!

More 180s than at the Ally Pally!

You can be both, the royals are nothing to with central government or fiscal policy.

[Spiral]

Proposal for a new constitution:

• Head of State to be an ornate Teapot

• Final design of Head of State to be decided by nationwide primary school competition

• Owing to Head of State's inanimacy, all duties of the Head of State to be carried out by designated Teapot Handler

• Teapot Handler legally bound to carry out traditional duties of the Head of State (opening and closing of Parliament, meeting of foreign dignitaries, etc.) in alignment with guidelines set forth by Parliament

• Office of the Handler of the Teapot to be subject to parliamentary oversight

• Handler elected by lot in a process similar to jury duty call up

• All adult UK citizens eligible for selection

• Handlers serve for three months, whereupon a new Handler is chosen by lot

• Citizens may only hold the office of Handler of the Teapot only once per lifetime

[CoolClaret]

You can be both, the royals are nothing to with central government or fiscal policy.

A Royalist Commie.

Well, the two ideals are kind of in contradiction of one another; seen as the Royal Family has an estimated personal wealth of around $28 billion, Charles paid 0 inheritance tax and all random members make coin off the country in one way or another by holding land and other things of that nature.

Staggering - you commented that you thought anyone from a bus driver to a doctor should be paid the same, so what do you think Charles should do with his fortune?

[Spiral]

There's historical precedent for a communist state ruled by a monarch of sorts. In fact, now that I think of it, virtually every communist state following Marxist or its own Marx-derived doctrines took precisely that form!

[Jakubclaret]

A Royalist Commie.

Well, they are kind of seen as the Royal Family has an estimated personal wealth of around $28 billion, Charles pid 0 inheritance tax and all random members make coin off the country in one way or another by holding land and other things of that nature.

Staggering - you commented that you thought anyone from a bus driver to a doctor should be paid the same, so what do you think Charles should do with his fortune?

The royal family are well known for being involved with charities & fund raising events, you can either accept or decline that invitation, nobody is forcing anybody just respect people's personal wishes we don't need to have a discussion or some sort of a investigation into the reasoning behind people's choices.

[Spiral]

The royal family are well known for being involved with charities & fund raising events

Yeah but, like, so was Pablo Escobar

[CoolClaret]

The royal family are well known for being involved with charities & fund raising events, you can either accept or decline that invitation, nobody is forcing anybody just respect people's personal wishes we don't need to have a discussion or some sort of a investigation into the reasoning behind people's choices.

Curious more than anything given your previous comments.

How good of them to be involved in fund raising whilst taking in a tax free Sovereign grant every year! How blessed are we to have these ̶p̶a̶r̶a̶s̶i̶t̶i̶c̶ ̶l̶e̶e̶c̶h̶e̶s̶ Wonderful People!

[JohnMcGreal]

As someone with a modicum of self-respect I'll politely decline the offer to take any part in this silly pantomime.

They all need to grow up.

[Spiral]

As someone with a modicum of self-respect I'll politely decline the offer to take any part in this silly pantomime.

They all need to grow up.

I think it's too silly to "politely" decline it. I'm leaning towards 'get some tinnies and some snacks and pi$$ myself laughing watching these creatures'.

[miele-man]

I’m a royalist , don’t think I’ll be swearing anything but don’t have a problem with any of them , Meghan just doesn’t get it ,maybe she should have married someone else.

[Spiral]

I’m a royalist , don’t think I’ll be swearing anything but don’t have a problem with any of them , Meghan just doesn’t get it ,maybe she should have married someone else.

Princess Meghan should've married Prince William.

[eastcoastclaret]

This came up in conversation with a group of friends. Not one person supported it.

[Pidgeon]

How does go and get stuffed sound.

[Rowls]

This came up in conversation with a group of friends. Not one person supported it.

That happened with me too.

I've de-friended them all, blocked them on social media and issued letters via my solicitors.

Every last one of them is on the list, the subversive republican traitors. In permanent marker.

[CoolClaret]

Bonkers this nation.

You get people that dare to suggest that we should probably prioritise funding/building infrastructure and other things that actually enhance people's lives or give a bit more of a support network to those that need it and they scoff it at - yet simultaneously support the ridiculous financial cost of a frigging Royal Family and all the b0llocks that goes with it?!

I'd almost understand if you're from a traditional Conservative area down South, with your landed Gentry and all that tosh but from the North? Do me a favour

No doubt there will be Union Jacks everywhere all over decrepit council estates on the day of the Coronation, with the people failing to recognise the irony

*sigh*

[elwaclaret]

Bonkers this nation.

You get people that dare to suggest that we should probably prioritise funding/building infrastructure and other things that actually enhance people's lives or give a bit more of a support network to those that need it and they scoff it at - yet simultaneously support the ridiculous financial cost of a frigging Royal Family and all the b0llocks that goes with it?!

I'd almost understand if you're from a traditional Conservative area down South, with your landed Gentry and all that tosh but from the North? Do me a favour

Especially in Lancashire. The reason Lancaster was so important for so long is that it was here that was the most hostile to feudal suppression.

[CoolClaret]

Especially in Lancashire. The reason Lancaster was so important for so long is that it was here that was the most hostile to feudal suppression.

Stockholm Syndrome almost.

Biggest con going, our ancestors got sent to their death either fighting for the Monarchies own self-preservation or disagreeing with it entirely and we are meant to laud them (and some do)? Crackers

[Spiral]

The people with the good ideas are useless at presentation, that's the problem. It's not that the country is full of spiteful conservatives, it's that people just like the presentation the conservatives put forward. King's got drip. Rishi's got drip. Johnson had his own unique drip in a banter-period clown-aesthetic sense, which people friggin' loved when it was novel. Policy dunt mean owt if you ain't got drip.

[CoolClaret]

If Wat Tyler didn't go soft and hold talks with King Richard II this nation would be a better place.

[CoolClaret]

The people with the good ideas are useless at presentation, that's the problem. It's not that the country is full of spiteful conservatives, it's that people just like the presentation the conservatives put forward. King's got drip. Rishi's got drip. Johnson had his own unique drip in a banter-period clown-aesthetic sense, which people friggin' loved when it was novel. Policy dunt mean owt if you ain't got drip.

I think it's more the fact that it's easier to lull people in with a BS sense of jingoistic national pride with some good old fashioned tribalism - sad really

[CoolClaret]

That happened with me too.

I've de-friended them all, blocked them on social media and issued letters via my solicitors.

Every last one of them is on the list, the subversive republican traitors. In permanent marker.

Hope you're on your list as well for deserting the Kingdom for a dirty Republic?

[boatshed bill]

The royal family are well known for being involved with charities & fund raising events,

Mostly in name only.

[elwaclaret]

Stockholm Syndrome almost.

Biggest con going, our ancestors got sent to their death either fighting for the Monarchies own self-preservation or disagreeing with it entirely and we are meant to laud them (and some do)? Crackers

Goes back long before the world wars. Lancashire was the original Wild (North) West up to the Industrial Revolution. Home of non-conformity (why we have so many faiths and chapels); during the Industrial revolution, the home of the radical reform movement… not for nothing was the massacre at Peterloo, (and telling that just prior a similar sized meeting had happened in Blackburn during East Lancs wakes week that almost suffered the same fate). The list of revolt is truly mind boggling and l’m only mentioning the most well known. There are literally hundreds of examples.

[CoolClaret]

Goes back long before the world wars. Lancashire was the original Wild (North) West up to the Industrial Revolution. Home of non-conformity (why we have so many faiths and chapels); during the Industrial revolution, the home of the radical reform movement… not for nothing was the massacre at Peterloo, (and telling that just prior a similar sized meeting had happened in Blackburn during East Lancs wakes week that almost suffered the same fate). The list of revolt is truly mind boggling and l’m only mentioning the most well known. There are literally hundreds of examples.

Oh I know it goes long back before the World Wars mate!

I'm not fully aware of all the revolts mind - any good YT vids/Docs that you can recommend?

[yTib]

i've always been in the 'don't really care' bracket in terms of the royal family but i'd be fascinated to see the costings from those that say that they are a net loss.

it's such a variable thing but my gut tells me they are actually worth it due to such things as tourism, soft-power etc.

but it's really one of those subjects where folk really want to show how subversive they'd love to be; a bit like saying you don't like the beatles.

[CoolClaret]

i've always been in the 'don't really care' bracket in terms of the royal family but i'd be fascinated to see the costings from those that say that they are a net loss.

it's such a variable thing but my gut tells me they are actually worth it due to such things as tourism, soft-power etc.

but it's really one of those subjects where folk really want to show how subversive they'd love to be; a bit like saying you don't like the beatles.

They quote the tourism fees alone covers them but then fail to acknowledge the fact that none of the Palaces or locations associated with the Royal Family are in the top 15 most visited places in the UK AND the fact that the Palace of Versailles has more annual visitors than any Palace of the UK - suggesting that people would still come and have a look at Windsor Castle etc and view it as a relic of the Past - like it ought to be

[daveisaclaret]

Proposal for a new constitution:

• Head of State to be an ornate Teapot

• Final design of Head of State to be decided by nationwide primary school competition

• Owing to Head of State's inanimacy, all duties of the Head of State to be carried out by designated Teapot Handler

• Teapot Handler legally bound to carry out traditional duties of the Head of State (opening and closing of Parliament, meeting of foreign dignitaries, etc.) in alignment with guidelines set forth by Parliament

• Office of the Handler of the Teapot to be subject to parliamentary oversight

• Handler elected by lot in a process similar to jury duty call up

• All adult UK citizens eligible for selection

• Handlers serve for three months, whereupon a new Handler is chosen by lot

• Citizens may only hold the office of Handler of the Teapot only once per lifetime

And life in prison for anyone who suggests our teapot is short and stout

[daveisaclaret]

They quote the tourism fees alone covers them but then fail to acknowledge the fact that none of the Palaces or locations associated with the Royal Family are in the top 15 most visited places in the UK AND the fact that the Palace of Versailles has more annual visitors than any Palace of the UK - suggesting that people would still come and have a look at Windsor Castle etc and view it as a relic of the Past - like it ought to be

Kick the royals out and open the castles at a tenner a head for entry and we would make serious dosh

[yTib]

They quote the tourism fees alone covers them but then fail to acknowledge the fact that none of the Palaces or locations associated with the Royal Family are in the top 15 most visited places in the UK AND the fact that the Palace of Versailles has more annual visitors than any Palace of the UK - suggesting that people would still come and have a look at Windsor Castle etc and view it as a relic of the Past - like it ought to be

who are they?

like i said, costing such things are like pyssing in the wind.

i couldn't care less about whether or not we have a monarchy and nor should you.

unless of course you think getting rid would have an impact on your life.

[CoolClaret]

who are they?

like i said, costing such things are like pyssing in the wind.

i couldn't care less about whether or not we have a monarchy and nor should you.

unless of course you think getting rid would have an impact on your life.

They = people who argue in favour of the Royal Family

Of course you should, that's the equivalent of saying why bother about anything

[yTib]

if you can give me an example of how getting rid of the monarchy will enhance your life then tell us.

it's like getting annoyed at your neighbour for having a bigger car.

[CoolClaret]

if you can give me an example of how getting rid of the monarchy will enhance your life then tell us.

it's like getting annoyed at your neighbour for having a bigger car.

That is an extremely simplistic way to view the situation, as though things are that simple

- For a start it would represent a massive paradigm shift in the future of this nation and I believe a catalyst towards heading in a more positive future.

How can a nation truly believe in democracy and equality when sat at the top of it as a filthy rich family their for no better reason than 'tradition'?

Would it be 'tradition' if I cut King Charles' head off and declared myself as the new King? Is that how it is meant to work? It's ludicrous

[timshorts]

I was proud of my daughter when she wouldn't take the brownie oath even if I can't remember whether it was the god bit or the queen bit that she objected to.

That said, although I've got no inclination of swearing allegiance to either, I'll give some support to Charles. He's seemed a good dude when I've met him, with the conviction to try and do what he believes is right. More to the point, I have absolutely no doubt that if we had a head of state of another making, the politicians would see to it that the system was fixed so we ended up with one of their own, or one that pays a nice wad to the tory/labour party. We'd get president Michael gove or Alan sugar or dianne abbot or something equally unpalatable.

I'd rather have president sooty the bear. He has a magic wand and unlike the three named above, has learnt to shut the **** up.

[yTib]

That is an extremely simplistic way to view the situation, as though things are that simple

- For a start it would represent a massive paradigm shift in the future of this nation and I believe a catalyst towards heading in a more positive future.

How can a nation truly believe in democracy and equality when sat at the top of it as a filthy rich family their for no better reason than 'tradition'?

Would it be 'tradition' if I cut King Charles' head off and declared myself as the new King? Is that how it is meant to work? It's ludicrous

i asked you for an example, not some waffle about regicide.

you couldn't and you never could because the fact is if the monarchy was abolished it would be a lot of mess about nowt.

[elwaclaret]

Oh I know it goes long back before the World Wars mate!

I'm not fully aware of all the revolts mind - any good YT vids/Docs that you can recommend?

Sadly not sure there is much out there. I’ve had to change my Lancashire Famine masters dissertation because there are very few markers for it… Lancashire is one of the most neglected parts of Britain, with a lot of the most important social and political history virtually uninvestigated.

Peterloo - an animated timeline of the day by Dr. Robert Poole on you tube is a must… he’s a recognised specialist (one of about ten, and he taught most of the others- I was extremely lucky to have him as Professor for a Riot and Revolution module on my BA.

I think there may be something on the ‘Darwen Riot’ (1860’s factory worker shootings).

There are a few on the Lancashire famine, but I’ve yet to see one not written from authorities first hand accounts, rather than from county archives.

Sadly most of the info is currently in archives, but I may well return to the Lancashire Famine and American Civil War Lancashire for my PhD.

[CoolClaret]

i asked you for an example, not some waffle about regicide.

you couldn't and you never could because the fact is if the monarchy was abolished it would be a lot of mess about nowt.

I gave you a good enough example to begin with but of course you chose to overlook that.

I don't know how you can say 'it would be a lot of mess about nowt' when we're literally having a coronation in a weeks time - that's a lot of mess about what should be nowt.

[Spiral]

More to the point, I have absolutely no doubt that if we had a head of state of another making, the politicians would see to it that the system was fixed so we ended up with one of their own, or one that pays a nice wad to the tory/labour party. We'd get president Michael gove or Alan sugar or dianne abbot or something equally unpalatable.

Please consider my teapot solution. It's 100% fool-proof. If it breaks we can even have ceremonial rituals and processions involving cannon and fighter jets that show 'Britain at its best' to the rest of the world, and because it's inanimate, it can't be corrupted or behave corruptly. It can't nonce a teenage girl. It can't say embarrassing and offensive racist and sexist shite. It can't assassinate its daughter-in-law. Its maintenance would be low-cost. It'd be the most perfect head of state in human history.

[yTib]

I gave you a good enough example to begin with but of course you chose to overlook that.

I don't know how you can say 'it would be a lot of mess about nowt' when we're literally having a coronation in a weeks time - that's a lot of mess about what should be nowt.

i suggest you get hot and bothered about something that really matters. not some cause celebre that has always been a token of folk who are more noisy than passionate.

[CoolClaret]

i suggest you get hot and bothered about something that really matters. not some cause celebre that has always been a token of folk who are more noisy than passionate.

Quite an assertion that thinking we shouldn't be LARPing in some bizarre 15th Century nonsense doesn't matter.

I've made countless points in the thread about why we should go towards being a Republic - instead of having a top down view of society we could build a better nation; it certainly won't happen by putting one family and all their sycophantic hangers on, on a pedestal above the rest

[yTib]

one last go cool cos i'm trying to watch the snooker...

how would getting rid of the monarchy impact on YOUR life?

[CoolClaret]

one last go cool cos i'm trying to watch the snooker...

how would getting rid of the monarchy impact on YOUR life?

Why are you asserting that I don't have to care about something that may not directly affect my life? What sort of attitude is that?

I think long term it will be better for the nation - is that not a good enough answer?

Donating money to charity and other things if you will Negatively impacts my life because I lose out financially - does that mean I shouldn't do it?

If you want a direct answer I'll give you one; it exponentially increases my chances of becoming President Cool where has before I had 0 chance

[TheFamilyCat]

There's a quiet dignity about a coronation and other such royal events. And that's what the day is about; dignity. Always dignity.

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[yTib]

If you want a direct answer I'll give you one; it exponentially increases my chances of becoming President Cool where has before I had 0 chance

at last i've uncovered your dastardly plot.

[NRC]

It used to be allegiance to god, king and country. The first is an imaginary friend that doesn't exist, the second is a feudal anachronism and the third is about historical geographic boundaries. So it's a no from me.

Is that listed as a 1,2,3? Who has first call on displaying allegiance? If God asked someone or all of us to do something, how would we know, and who would inform us? Charles as head of the Church of England? Does that give the Scots, Welsh, and those from Northern Island a pass if it was made apparent to us that God wanted us to invade France?

[JohnMcGreal]

There's a quiet dignity about a coronation and other such royal events. And that's what the day is about; dignity. Always dignity.


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Where's its poppy?