Allegiance

Lip · Post by **Lip** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 12:48 pm

Hope you are all going to swear your allegiance to King Charles.

"Coronation will include invite to public to swear allegiance out loud to King Charles
People watching the ceremony will be invited to say the words: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law - so help me God."

God save the king

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 12:49 pm

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 12:53 pm

Swearing allegiance to his successors may be a problem for people who don't like nonces

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 12:57 pm

Its one of them isn't it?

Not for me, but each to their own I guess

I think if you live in a country you should have some acknowledgement that you might be asked to serve that country in times of crisis, but I don't think it needs an oath of allegiance for your ordinary member of the public

Venkys4eva · Post by **Venkys4eva** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:01 pm

Booked for the whole family to go and join in the celebrations in London so we certainly will!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:05 pm

No thanks. It’s all a bit too Game of Thrones for me.

AmbleClaret · Post by **AmbleClaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:11 pm

Happy to swear at him,but it'll end in .... off.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:00 pm

I would sooner eat a turd.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:06 pm

No problem with Charles, and as wish him well… but for future generations… not a chance.

I do not see why the accident of birth entitles the aristocracy, who gained power by being oppressors of the populace to literally Lord it over ‘their subjects’ in the modern age. Once you have read the national history it’s hard not to be sympathetic to republicans…
apart from we’re already starting from a history of the wealthy lining their own pockets (through abuse of power in the Westminster Palaces) and asking us to accept we are only fit to bask in the repressive ‘national’ glory of those who keep us servile.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:37 pm

Not only am I going to swear my allegiance loud and clear, I'm keeping a black book of everybody who doesn't.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:40 pm

I just wish we could swear our allegiance to monarchs who the people could relate to like Prince Harry and Princess Meghan.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:40 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:37 pm
Not only am I going to swear my allegiance loud and clear, I'm keeping a black book of everybody who doesn't.

Put my name in capitals.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:43 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:40 pm
Put my name in capitals.

Your name will go on the list.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:00 pm

Liz and Phil the Greek between them conducted nearly 50,000 events over the years and when added to the good causes the likes of Philip represented (DoE Award obviously, and things like President of the National Playing Fields Association) the good they did over their lives more than offsets the “cost” of having the Royals.

Charlie will remain to be seem but he seems to be a hard worker too, with his heart in the right place and he has done a lot as Crown Prince.

So whether it is worded as allegiance or not I’m very happy to wish him well and say he has my full support.

I understand those not wanting anything hereditary but you could apply that logic to inheritance of wealth or power of any kind which millions of us (not me though

) will benefit from.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:01 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:40 pm
I just wish we could swear our allegiance to monarchs who the people could relate to like Prince Harry and Princess Meghan.

A cast of such skill needs applauding so well done.

thomaspaine · Post by **thomaspaine** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:07 pm

It’s a resounding no from me too .

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:10 pm

The allegiance pledge is wrong in so many ways. I'm sure it was better when I joined the Army in 1971 and had to make my pledge of allegiance.
1. I know longer believe in God or religions.
2. What is 'true allegiance'? I honour my country but whether we have a monarchy or not is an issue that I couldn't give any fewer sh*ts about.
3. Our true masters don't need us to promise, they just want us to vote for someone under their control so they can say we are a democracy.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:12 pm

I’d prefer to set fire to my genitals and then put them out with a golf shoe.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:21 pm

I’ve no problem with Charles, he seems to be one of the better, more genuine royals.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:34 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:43 pm
Your name will go on the list.

Don't tell him Pike!

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:39 pm

Nope, there is no god so I wouldn't swear fealty to someone using god in the speech

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:48 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:39 pm
Nope, there is no god

Who’s this Dee Jay then?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:49 pm

Beagle wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:48 pm
Who’s this Dee Jay then?

Faithless song

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:57 pm

The concept of a hereditary Monarch in the 21st Century is utterly ludicrous.

100mil they reckon the cost to the tax payer for sticking a crown on Charles’ head and for what?

Just perpetuating the bs myth of ‘Great Britain’ - got families using food banks, a neglected under funded public sector in absolute array and we will still have millions of folk happy clapping for a reign of a new King.

Properly bonkers.

As an abstract, the whole ceremonious thing is no different than a precession in NK blasting the image of ‘the supreme leader’ everywhere

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:59 pm

It's honestly hilarious. You live in this incredibly modern world, and then every now and again some folks' brains go back centuries and it's like social developments and the evolution of ideas didn't even happen and you've got nutters swearing allegiance's to a man with a fancy hat and the hat man doesn't even know those people exist. Bless anyone that does it. It's good to have a bit of cringe every now and again. LONGLIVETHEKINGLONGLIVETHEKINGLONGLIVETHEKING

pmsl like, long live the king? mate, he's not got long left, you seen his hands? his heart is gonna stop any minute

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:01 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:59 pm
It's honestly hilarious. You live in this incredibly modern world, and then every now and again some folks' brains go back centuries and it's like social developments and the evolution of ideas didn't even happen and you've got nutters swearing allegiance's to a man with a fancy hat and the hat man doesn't even know those people exist. Bless anyone that does it. It's good to have a bit of cringe every now and again. LONGLIVETHEKINGLONGLIVETHEKINGLONGLIVETHEKING pmsl like, long live the king? mate, he's not got long left, you seen his hands? his heart is gonna stop any minute

The best is when said nutters decry those that suggest the whole idea as utterly bonkers as ‘not being patriotic’

Do me a favour - I want the best for this nation and the best isn’t goading over an effin’ ‘Royal Family’

***On my above post meant to be ‘disarray’ cannot edit***

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:02 pm

I like the little Union Jacks.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:07 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:37 pm
Not only am I going to swear my allegiance loud and clear, I'm keeping a black book of everybody who doesn't.

No better way of swearing your allegiance to a Monarchy by being a purported Conservative by living in and enjoying all the fruits of a centre-left Republic that prioritises it’s people over a ludicrous bullshit aristocracy.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Old sausage fingers can **** off.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:18 pm

What about Queen Camilla

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:21 pm

It's all a bit mediaeval isn't it? Surely we should have moved on by now.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:24 pm

I see a padlock in this threads future!

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:25 pm

At least The Royals make dysfunctional families feel better about themselves.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:26 pm

The reported £100m cost to the taxpayer is dwarfed by the amount generated by the sale of worldwide Television Rights.
The UK pub industry is estimating that the weekend of the Coronation will provide a boost of £71m to a sector that has been struggling of late.
The boost to tourism and hospitality estimated at over £1bn.
It’s not all bad news financially.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:28 pm

It used to be allegiance to god, king and country. The first is an imaginary friend that doesn't exist, the second is a feudal anachronism and the third is about historical geographic boundaries. So it's a no from me.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:29 pm

& it's a no from him.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:36 pm

Judging by the comments on here he will have the support of about 5% of his subjects

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:38 pm

Love the pomp and ceremony, I'd swear allegiance to my country, don't mind Charles he has a real social conscience and he is a Claret, however I'd never swear allegiance to a person

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:42 pm

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:26 pm
The reported £100m cost to the taxpayer is dwarfed by the amount generated by the sale of worldwide Television Rights.
The UK pub industry is estimating that the weekend of the Coronation will provide a boost of £71m to a sector that has been struggling of late.
The boost to tourism and hospitality estimated at over £1bn.
It’s not all bad news financially.

Do you really think the worldwide Television right revenue will make it's way into the hands of the people?

I'll give you the pub thing

Palace of Versailles has way more annual visitors than any Royal associated monument in the UK

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:44 pm

Surely, in a Parliamentary Democracy where we allow the monarchy to exist as a constitutional monarch, it is the responsibility of the monarch to swear allegiance to us not the other way round. Just as well it is an invitation which I will respectfully refuse. And there’s me thinking he was going to modernise the royal family. I believe this is a major mistake which will blow up in his face, which might then resemble his fingers.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:46 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:42 pm
Do you really think the worldwide Television right revenue will make it's way into the hands of the people?

I'll give you the pub thing

Palace of Versailles has way more annual visitors than any Royal associated monument in the UK

You’re missing the bigger picture, like the commemorative mugs and little flags.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:47 pm

Would it be rude to not RSVP by the way?

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:50 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:47 pm
Would it be rude to not RSVP by the way?

It’s a tricky one as one does not know which of his Palaces to send it too, does one.

Claret Toni · Post by **Claret Toni** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:43 pm

Absolutely priceless, how much piffle and pomp is ingrained in this my country, where a monarch asks that I give true allegiance to him and his heirs.

Not putting him on a par with Putin, but isn't that what, in effect, is the case in Russia.

I've had no personal dealings with the King and I do know of some of the great work he's done around Burnley with the Prince's Trust, so I'm quite prepared not to rock the boat and put up with him, but an oath of allegiance? Give me strength.

And that's without even considering some calamitous happening in the Royal Family that could leave us with Queen Megan, or even King Andrew.

Beryl66 · Post by **Beryl66** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:01 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:40 pm
I just wish we could swear our allegiance to monarchs who the people could relate to like Prince Harry and Princess Meghan.

Prince Harry and absolutely not a Princess, Meghan are the last people I would swear allegiance to!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:03 pm

Ooh but don’t we do these things really well though. All the pomp and ceremony.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:06 pm

Beryl66 wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:01 pm
Prince Harry and absolutely not a Princess, Meghan are the last people I would swear allegiance to!

Don’t you love your country? Princess Meghan makes me proud to be British.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:45 pm

Claret Toni wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:43 pm
Not putting him on a par with Putin, but isn't that what, in effect, is the case in Russia.

In fairness the big difference between the two is that people here are being invited to swear allegiance and nobody is under any illusion that this is anything other than a bit of camp fun, whereas in Russia it's either sworn allegiance to the Tsar or a totally accidental and completely tragic fall from a fifth floor window which of course Vladimir is deeply saddened to hear about.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:55 pm

This swearing of an oath of allegiance to the king and his heirs is like a throwback to the days of the Norman overlords, and I say this as someone who is usually ambivalent when it comes to the Royal Family. A modern monarchy, eh? Don't make me laugh.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:02 pm

I'll swear allegiance to my country, but not to a person who I only know through carefully managed PR. Fair enough, nobody is forcing this upon us, but it sure feels like a backward step, as well as being deeply anachronistic.