Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[taio]

I thought some of his worse games came in the second half of the season,

Especially against Watford and QPR where I personally think he had his two worst games in a Burnley shirt.

However like i said I think he was better in the second half. Just knowhere near as good as some would make you think

knowhere remotely accurate. Knowhere

[boatshed bill]

Calm down -its my opinion. I was at the Ethiad game and every time a goal went in I wondered if Peacock Farrell could have done better with 5 of the goals-then I saw the footage of Verbruggen and thought how good he was on ONE ON ONES, and in coming out bravely.

But you assert that Verbruggen, in particular, would have kept the score down to two; and this based on a video of his best saves .

[Vegas Claret]

He was significantly better in the second-half of the season. How can you not see that

it truly baffles me

[taio]

Calm down -its my opinion. I was at the Ethiad game and every time a goal went in I wondered if Peacock Farrell could have done better with 5 of the goals-then I saw the footage of Verbruggen and thought how good he was on ONE ON ONES, and in coming out bravely.

I'm calm but, sorry, it's meaningless drivel

[boatshed bill]

it truly baffles me

I could be way off the mark here, but I got the impression that he improved after THB got injured.
Before anyone jumps on this, I rate THB but perhaps we defended differently with Ekdal coming in.

[Newcastleclaret93]

knowhere remotely accurate. Knowhere

In your opinion.

Clearly VK doesn’t think he’s good enough.

[warksclaret]

did you have your eyes closed for the second half of the season ? He was a completely different keeper to the one that started the season

And have you had your eyes closed to the Premier. OK saying he has been better at coming out to the likes of Rottherham, Cardiff, Hull etc (which I agree with) but wait until you get the likes of De Bruyna, Fernandes, Odegard, McNeil , Trent Arnold etc crossing from a set piece and the likes of players like Saliba, Tarkowski, Haarland, Kulibali,Van Dyke, Byrne , Kane, Watins, Rashford etc all challenging strongly with several of their players blocking your keeper then you can properly judge a PL keeper

[RVclaret]

knowhere remotely accurate. Knowhere

[boatshed bill]

And have you had your eyes closed to the Premier. OK saying he has been better at coming out to the likes of Rottherham, Cardiff, Hull etc (which I agree with) but wait until you get the likes of De Bruyna, Fernandes, Odegard, McNeil , Trent Arnold etc crossing from a set piece and the likes of players like Saliba, Tarkowski, Haarland, Kulibali,Van Dyke, Byrne , Kane, Watins, Rashford etc all challenging strongly with several of their players blocking your keeper then you can properly judge a PL keeper

You are digging a big hole for yourself, give it up.

[boatshed bill]

In your opinion.

Clearly VK doesn’t think he’s good enough.

How do you know this?

[taio]

In your opinion.

Clearly VK doesn’t think he’s good enough.

I don't (k)now what Nompany thinks

[Newcastleclaret93]

How do you know this?

Why would he spend potentially a large portion on of our transfer budget on a player if the existing one is good enough?

This isn’t city, we can’t afford to carry players.

[boatshed bill]

Why would he spend potentially a large portion on of our transfer budget on a player if the existing one is good enough?

This isn’t city, we can’t afford to carry players.

I imagine that VK would like all 25 senior squad members to be good enough.

[roperclaret]

Why would he spend potentially a large portion on of our transfer budget on a player if the existing one is good enough?

This isn’t city, we can’t afford to carry players.

But we do need 2 good enough in each position.

[Vegas Claret]

And have you had your eyes closed to the Premier. OK saying he has been better at coming out to the likes of Rottherham, Cardiff, Hull etc (which I agree with) but wait until you get the likes of De Bruyna, Fernandes, Odegard, McNeil , Trent Arnold etc crossing from a set piece and the likes of players like Saliba, Tarkowski, Haarland, Kulibali,Van Dyke, Byrne , Kane, Watins, Rashford etc all challenging strongly with several of their players blocking your keeper then you can properly judge a PL keeper

Did you miss how big Luton were ? Or Millwall ? There is just as much chance Vergruggen will go to Brighton as us btw if not more. Neither keeper is remotely close to being a finished product and you should take that into consideration - if they were the finished product Muric would still be at City and BV would be off to Man United for 70 million !

[Taffy on the wing]

Are you genuinely a Claret??... Quite a few little signals I'm picking up suggest maybe you're not.

A big percentage of your input seems to be intended to undermine young players in possibly our best team since 73/4/5

Called him a couple of weeks ago.......no fan.

[nil_desperandum]

But we do need 2 good enough in each position.

One or two players might be able to fill more than one position, but obviously we need 2 Premier League keepers, and many teams would want 3 to allow for injuries and still having a top quality keep er on the bench.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Did you miss how big Luton were ? Or Millwall ? There is just as much chance Vergruggen will go to Brighton as us btw if not more. Neither keeper is remotely close to being a finished product and you should take that into consideration - if they were the finished product Muric would still be at City and BV would be off to Man United for 70 million !

Did you miss how big Muric is?

If a keeper can’t command his six yard box when he’s 6ft6 there’s something sadly wrong.

[boatshed bill]

Did you miss how big Muric is?

If a keeper can’t command his six yard box when he’s 6ft6 there’s something sadly wrong.

Can't you just accept that his command of the 6 - 16 yd box improved measurably as the season progressed?

[burnmark]

Muric’s commanding of the box came on significantly during the season. Where once he was rooted to his line, he began to claim crosses and punch clear. The Blackburn away was very evidence of that.

[taio]

And have you had your eyes closed to the Premier. OK saying he has been better at coming out to the likes of Rottherham, Cardiff, Hull etc (which I agree with) but wait until you get the likes of De Bruyna, Fernandes, Odegard, McNeil , Trent Arnold etc crossing from a set piece and the likes of players like Saliba, Tarkowski, Haarland, Kulibali,Van Dyke, Byrne , Kane, Watins, Rashford etc all challenging strongly with several of their players blocking your keeper then you can properly judge a PL keeper

Have you gone out of your way to get so many of their names wrong?

[StayingDown4Ever]

Can't you just accept that his command of the 6 - 16 yd box improved measurably as the season progressed?

I said earlier in this thread he looked a bit better in the second half of the season.

In a side that probably had 75%(ish?) of the ball most games and he was barely tested.

If he is the number one next season and we’re on the back foot getting peppered in games I can’t see how you have a great deal of confidence in him.

[Ziggy Stardust]

In your opinion.

Clearly VK doesn’t think he’s good enough.

Jesus Wept....

[boatshed bill]

I said earlier in this thread he looked a bit better in the second half of the season.

In a side that probably had 75%(ish?) of the ball most games and he was barely tested.

If he is the number one next season and we’re on the back foot getting peppered in games I can’t see how you have a great deal of confidence in him.

Well, I guess I'm prepared to see how things pan out rather than pick fault with the players who did such a fine and entertaining job of winning the Championship.

[Jakubclaret]

I said earlier in this thread he looked a bit better in the second half of the season.

In a side that probably had 75%(ish?) of the ball most games and he was barely tested.

If he is the number one next season and we’re on the back foot getting peppered in games I can’t see how you have a great deal of confidence in him.

Lot's of things remain a mystery on a cognitive level with that said poster, of course he needs replacing there wouldn't be all the talk about getting somebody new if there wasn't.

[boatshed bill]

Lot's of things remain a mystery on a cognitive level with that said poster, of course he needs replacing there wouldn't be all the talk about getting somebody new if there wasn't.

"Said poster"? If you mean me why not just say it?

[warksclaret]

So re-assured that Vinnie is from the school of "continuous improvement". Its the hallmark of all good successful sides

[boatshed bill]

Because I wanted to generate some smoke coming out of your lugs working it out.

Well you have failed.
Now I'd like you to qualify what you mean by "on a cognitive level"

[StayingDown4Ever]

Lot's of things remain a mystery on a cognitive level with that said poster, of course he needs replacing there wouldn't be all the talk about getting somebody new if there wasn't.

Don’t worry yourself about him.

I think I put across reasonable points about Muric but if he doesn’t want to accept them then it’s up to him.

With any luck neither of us will be proved right/ wrong as Muric won’t be starting many games.

[boatshed bill]

Don’t worry yourself about him.

I think I put across reasonable points about Muric but if he doesn’t want to accept them then it’s up to him.

With any luck neither of us will be proved right/ wrong as Muric won’t be starting many games.

Maybe he (Muric) will start games, maybe he won't. But I don't see the point of running him down to prove a point that may very well not need proving; given that we are far from certain to sign Verbruggen, and he may yet prove to be no better than what we already have.

[Jakubclaret]

Don’t worry yourself about him.

I think I put across reasonable points about Muric but if he doesn’t want to accept them then it’s up to him.

With any luck neither of us will be proved right/ wrong as Muric won’t be starting many games.

Good luck with that 1, you are banging your head against a brick wall. It's a different beast the PL & thankfully VK realises the defence will need tightening up.

[Bigvince]

Can we get back on subject please?

[StayingDown4Ever]

Can we get back on subject please?

Yes, sorry about Bill.

I think Verbruggen will be a very good signing if we manage to get him over the line.

[Bigvince]

[boatshed bill]

Yes, sorry about Bill.

I think Verbruggen will be a very good signing if we manage to get him over the line.

Yes, and so do I.
We will need top quality GKs next season.
Hard to believe, but a few seasons ago we had 5 international keepers on the books.

[JarrowClaret]

Wow I find a lot of the comments on here odd to the extreme! the player voted by the EFL as the 3rd best in the division not good enough and will be sold, Keeper rated in the divisions top 5 keepers not good enough. It has to be trolling to the max surely. Everyone is entitled to an opinion so I won’t criticise anyone who truly thinks that I couldn’t disagree more if I am honest.

For what it is worth!

Foster did a lot of good things but definitely struggled in front of goal change of country, new team change of system took some time but I think with a pre season he will be totally fine and wouldn’t surprise me if he was our top scorer this coming season.

Muric some good, some not so good and some down right outrageously good. There is more to come from him I have no doubt he is still a baby in keeper terms I don’t see him being replaced as no1 certainly not initially anyway, even if we sign Bart for the money talked about. Having said that there will naturally be a big pull to start Bart if Muric doesn’t start well. I see Bart if he comes as mid to long term option as I can see Muric if he is as good as I think moving on to bigger and better at some point next season.

Brownhill I think Cullen was the vital cog which allowed Brownhill to display his abilities further forward I imagine much the same will be seen th is season most likely with an another player next to Cullen.

Twine for me was excellent towards the end of last season and I can see him being vital for us moving forward. Much will depend on his fitness and how pre season plays out for him though.

Anyone have we signed anyone yet?

[SalouClaret]

And have you had your eyes closed to the Premier. OK saying he has been better at coming out to the likes of Rottherham, Cardiff, Hull etc (which I agree with) but wait until you get the likes of De Bruyna, Fernandes, Odegard, McNeil , Trent Arnold etc crossing from a set piece and the likes of players like Saliba, Tarkowski, Haarland, Kulibali,Van Dyke, Byrne , Kane, Watins, Rashford etc all challenging strongly with several of their players blocking your keeper then you can properly judge a PL keeper

Had to log in just to comment on some of those spellings.

De Bruyna is my personal favourite

[Steddyman]

Can we get back on subject please?

Not usually for very long.

[Bigvince]

Not usually for very long.

I live in hope

[Carwin261]

Girls ,all this squabbling,you’d think we’d just been relegated to league 1.

[Steddyman]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j7OF6Q92I ... dlbg%3D%3D

For anyone interested this the Verbruggen season review.

Some world class saves in there. This is a keeper to get very excited about by the looks of it.

Looks like he constantly pushes it back into danger areas from those clips. He is young though, so all that matter is he can be coached.

[rob63]

Had to log in just to comment on some of those spellings.

De Bruyna is my personal favourite

[davideyresleftear]

We should take a look at a fella in the championship who had the second highest clean sheets and the best goals-per-minute conceded ratio. I heard his manager hates him and their fans think he's sh1te (based on a few games earlier in the season). Might be worth a cheeky bid.

[jojomk1]

We were always so. Not sure how you can be disappointed though given how little he played.

Exactly,

"how little he played"

Foster was raw to english football at any level but started games before him

Even with Jay injured he didn't start a league game

Barnes was starting even when VK had decided he was going at the end of the season

Obafemi had enough chances to start league games but VK chose to put him on the bench

Let's hope this electric pace he apparently has will scare the Premier League defenders next season

[Newcastleclaret93]

We should take a look at a fella in the championship who had the second highest clean sheets and the best goals-per-minute conceded ratio. I heard his manager hates him and their fans think he's sh1te (based on a few games earlier in the season). Might be worth a cheeky bid.

If we play that game we should go for that lads team mate, he had a better goals conceded per game rate and a better clean sheet per game rate.

Looks a real hidden gem

[gandhisflipflop]

We should rename this thread ‘the thread of the last word’.

[StayingDown4Ever]

We should rename this thread ‘the thread of the last word’.

Agreed.

[warksclaret]

Had to log in just to comment on some of those spellings.

De Bruyna is my personal favourite

Just testing to see how many clarets would spot it.You succeeded well done. The thread needed a little humour

[RicardoMontalban]

Exactly,

"how little he played"

Foster was raw to english football at any level but started games before him

Even with Jay injured he didn't start a league game

Barnes was starting even when VK had decided he was going at the end of the season

Obafemi had enough chances to start league games but VK chose to put him on the bench

Let's hope this electric pace he apparently has will scare the Premier League defenders next season

Burnley fans eh? Whinge when we don’t succession plan, whinge when players don’t immediately break into the first team.

Barnes kept his place on merit, his post World Cup season was as close to flawless as anyone could predict after that Sunderland game and he earned the right to keep that spot until promotion was settled. Indeed he was vital in achieving that goal. That he was not in the plans for next season is immaterial.

The run we went on immediately after the WC gave us the breathing space to make signings for the prem and properly bed them in without pressure. Barnes’ form and avoiding injury made that all the easier. Certainly compare that to the defence where injury probably forced Kompany’s hand to bring in Ekdal and Al Dakhil sooner than he’d hoped.

Indeed, Kompany has said all of the above.

Criticism of Obafemi on criteria different to those set by the manager is perhaps a little unfair. Perhaps next season he won’t make the grade at which point we can say he’s not good enough, but given we’ve signed him for a quarter of what Swansea originally wanted we can file that under win some, lose some.

[agreenwood]

I’ve changed the thread title to make it more reflective of the content.