Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[123EasyasBFC]

really ? Ederson will have loads of clean sheets but that's cause he has his deck chair out most weeks rather than he making saves like Pope does, it can be a very misleading stat imho (as most can tbh)

That’s your opinion which is fine, I don’t think using ederson as an example really the same level, I just think the amount of clean sheets a goalkeeper has is still an important stat, someone has 19 clean sheets in 34 games he’s clearly doing something right

[123EasyasBFC]

Heaton and Pope were both relegated the season before they joined us. I doubt we chased them based on their clean sheets.

Which is fine didn’t say we shouldn’t be chasing verbruggen, I replied to a poster who said the amount of clean sheets isn’t reliable, when personally if a keeper has 19 clean sheets he has to he doing something right

[123EasyasBFC]

Both keepers have the same save percentage

Stat wise Butez is a better goal keeper then berbruggen right now, 19 clean sheets, in his prime, verbruggen we are buying on potential and the fact kompany has wanted him for 12 months

The only reason Butez had more clean sheets is because he played a lot more games than Verbruggen

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I wouldn’t say those stats presented show Verbruggen to be a better keeper

[dibraidio]

Both keepers have the same save percentage

Stat wise Butez is a better goal keeper then berbruggen right now, 19 clean sheets, in his prime, verbruggen we are buying on potential and the fact kompany has wanted him for 12 months

The only reason Butez had more clean sheets is because he played a lot more games than Verbruggen

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...................Verbo.............Butez
Played..............17...............34
Clean Sheets.......8.................19
Goals conceded....21................26
Goals c per 90.....1.24..............0.76

From those stats, if Verbruggen had played 34 games he'd have had 16 clean sheets and have conceded 42 goals.

Shots faced........5.................3.03
Shots total.........85................103
Shots per goal.....4.05..............3.96
XG conceded......24.4...............29.9

Those stats might suggest that Butez was behind a better defence but he's still got better stats and would still have been the better keeper if Vergrubben had played twice as many games (with the same stats).

[Rileybobs]

Thankfully our transfer business won’t be conducted on the back of five or six high level statistics.

[RVclaret]

Any transfers this week do we reckon?

I’m going for the Orient keeper and young Dortmund defender.

[123EasyasBFC]

Thankfully our transfer business won’t be conducted on the back of five or six high level statistics.

You’d imagine our transfer business now is based a fair amount on stats and statistics

[agreenwood]

The Dortmund loan is an odd one. He’s only 19 with little experience of senior football, so I can’t imagine he’ll play too much this season.

Presumably it has to be a loan with an obligation or option. If not, I’m not sure what Dortmund or the player gains from it. We get cover, but they’d get little.

[Jakubclaret]

You’d imagine our transfer business now is based a fair amount on stats and statistics

It'll all be data led, the old days of scribbling on a notepad are long gone.

[Rileybobs]

You’d imagine our transfer business now is based a fair amount on stats and statistics

Exactly my point.

[Jakubclaret]

It was a puzzling response in that case.

[Quickenthetempo]

I don't want a keeper with Butez fingers.

[FeedTheArf]

The Dortmund loan is an odd one. He’s only 19 with little experience of senior football, so I can’t imagine he’ll play too much this season.

Presumably it has to be a loan with an obligation or option. If not, I’m not sure what Dortmund or the player gains from it. We get cover, but they’d get little.

All the odder given we can only use 2 loans this season. I'd have expected us to use the loans on players who would otherwise be financially out of our reach and would be in and around the first 11.

[RVclaret]

All the odder given we can only use 2 loans this season. I'd have expected us to use the loans on players who would otherwise be financially out of our reach and would be in and around the first 11.

No we can loan more from overseas. The 2 is strictly from PL clubs.

[Cap]

https://twitter.com/Ekremkonur/status/1 ... Qm1oA&s=19

[wilks_bfc]

The only reason Butez had more clean sheets is because he played a lot more games than Verbruggen

...................Verbo.............Butez
Played..............17...............34
Clean Sheets.......8.................19
Goals conceded....21................26
Goals c per 90.....1.24..............0.76

From those stats, if Verbruggen had played 34 games he'd have had 16 clean sheets and have conceded 42 goals.

Shots faced........5.................3.03
Shots total.........85................103
Shots per goal.....4.05..............3.96
XG conceded......24.4...............29.9

Those stats might suggest that Butez was behind a better defence but he's still got better stats and would still have been the better keeper if Vergrubben had played twice as many games (with the same stats).

That’s the point I was making (quotes in the replies have got mixed up)

[eastcoastclaret]

The Dortmund loan is an odd one. He’s only 19 with little experience of senior football, so I can’t imagine he’ll play too much this season.

Presumably it has to be a loan with an obligation or option. If not, I’m not sure what Dortmund or the player gains from it. We get cover, but they’d get little.

I think I read they were hoping he would come on loan, with a view to getting games. I just can't see that happening.

[jedi_master]

What would be the point of loaning him with a view to a permanent deal if he is barely going to play though (you'd think he'd be 4 choice at very best, possibly 5th behind Beyer, Al-Dakhil, Ekdal and Taylor?). Surely it's permanent (in place of McNally) as a long term investment opportunity with the ability for ourselves to loan him out, maybe to the Championship, or sounds a bit pointless on the face of it. Maybe we see three at the back as a more viable option this season than we realised.

[RVclaret]

What would be the point of loaning him with a view to a permanent deal if he is barely going to play though (you'd think he'd be 4 choice at very best, possibly 5th behind Beyer, Al-Dakhil, Ekdal and Taylor?). Surely it's permanent (in place of McNally) as a long term investment opportunity with the ability for ourselves to loan him out, maybe to the Championship, or sounds a bit pointless on the face of it. Maybe we see three at the back as a more viable option this season than we realised.

Probably to prioritise budget we have for this window elsewhere, get a look at him for a season and then sign (with an option in the deal if x amount of games played for example) at the end of the season. I would see him as 3rd/4th choice so will likely get a good few games in the cups at the very least. The 4th choice centre half role is always an interesting one, you either need a young player who’s not going to be upset at a lack of game time yet (he possibly fits this) or a Kevin Long.

[Tricky Trevor]

All the way through this thread VK, the greatest CH that ever lived, has been lauded for the CBs he’s brought in. Now we are linked with a CB and it’s a strange one.
Leave it to the man, he knows best.

[NewClaret]

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/stat ... 7412100096

Looks like we’re missing out here chaps. Pretty gutted about that tbh.

[Anthonini]

You forgot to mention that Verbruggen played for a **** team that finished 11th and if it wasn't for him they would have finished even lower. Also his amazing achievements in the Conference League winning over Villareal thanks to a master class by Verbruggen.

Buttez on the other hand played for the champions Antwerp where he had Alderweireld and William Pacho in front of him and a strong midfield and attacking players to give the ball to. Besides that every game I've seen of him I think he's too short and rather stressful and clumsy. Making mistakes Verbruggen wouldn't make.

Where was buttez at age 20? Verbruggen has the potential to be a top goalkeeper at age 28. I rate him very highly due to his excellent footwork. Having worked with Kompany and Ten Rouwelaar in the past I think he would be a great addition to the squad.

[RVclaret]

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/stat ... 7412100096

Looks like we’re missing out here chaps. Pretty gutted about that tbh.

Yep. Shame, but the positives out of it are that we’ve clearly got a healthy budget for the right players and that the profiles we are in for are right (given Brighton nail every transfer these days).

[Wokingclaret]

https://twitter.com/sachatavolieri/stat ... 8617153536

Looks like Brighton are really pushing the boat out for him

[NewClaret]

Yep. Shame, but the positives out of it are that we’ve clearly got a healthy budget for the right players and that the profiles we are in for are right (given Brighton nail every transfer these days).

Yep, apparently Brighton are paying €20m. It just doesn’t make any sense that we pay such a big amount for a GK, in my opinion, especially when we have Muric.

Pretty gutted as he was one of the ones I’d have really liked and thought our GK coach and Kompany’s relationship with him might’ve given us the advantage, but suppose we can’t win them all!

[123EasyasBFC]

You forgot to mention that Verbruggen played for a **** team that finished 11th and if it wasn't for him they would have finished even lower. Also his amazing achievements in the Conference League winning over Villareal thanks to a master class by Verbruggen.

Buttez on the other hand played for the champions Antwerp where he had Alderweireld and William Pacho in front of him and a strong midfield and attacking players to give the ball to. Besides that every game I've seen of him I think he's too short and rather stressful and clumsy. Making mistakes Verbruggen wouldn't make.

Where was buttez at age 20? Verbruggen has the potential to be a top goalkeeper at age 28. I rate him very highly due to his excellent footwork. Having worked with Kompany and Ten Rouwelaar in the past I think he would be a great addition to the squad.

Verbruggen excellent footwork might be true? Butez has a better passing accuracy than Verbruggen, there’s an article in Belgium saying that verbruggen celling is high but Butez is comfortably the best keeper in the league

[jlup1980]

I'd be surprised if he was available for a low as 15m, more like that plus add ons.

I agree with this, especially with Joao Pedro moving from Watford to Brighton for £30m. Is he twice the player Tella is? Pedro has 20 goals in 73 Championship appearances, Tella has 17 in 39. Pedro is a couple of years younger but as a comparison I'd be amazed if we managed to get Tella for £15m.

[RVclaret]

Sounds like Napoli and Lille are keen on Mike Tresor so you’d probably suggest that’s a no go for us

[agreenwood]

Welcome back to the Premier League folks.

Bottom of the food chain. Even the pull of VK and our exciting brand of football can’t negate the money involved in this league.

[FeedTheArf]

No we can loan more from overseas. The 2 is strictly from PL clubs.

Ah right, didn't know that! Makes much more sense then!

[Newcastleclaret93]

I agree with this, especially with Joao Pedro moving from Watford to Brighton for £30m. Is he twice the player Tella is? Pedro has 20 goals in 73 Championship appearances, Tella has 17 in 39. Pedro is a couple of years younger but as a comparison I'd be amazed if we managed to get Tella for £15m.

Bit of a strange one.

Pedro has a lot of pedigree, he certainly suits the type of forward Brighton like. (Quick, excellent dribbler, potential).

Without knowing the terms of that deal, i suspect a large portion of it is based on performance type add ons.

I think it’s fair to say Pedro probably has the higher ceiling of to two.

[Boss Hogg]

Not so bothered about Verbruggen. Plenty of goalies out there. The positive thing is we are looking at lots of players instead of focusing on one or two that we lose out on at the last minute with no plan b. Scouring the continent is also the right approach overall but think we’ll also need some proven Pl experience over and above what we’ve already got.

[Anthonini]

Verbruggen excellent footwork might be true? Butez has a better passing accuracy than Verbruggen, there’s an article in Belgium saying that verbruggen celling is high but Butez is comfortably the best keeper in the league

Mignolet is still way better than both of them. Vandevoordt is also better. I don't need an article for that. I even rate Vancrombrugghe higher than Butez, who just had one good season after years of being bang average. For me not a good goalkeeper. Decent at best. Too short for me and struggles with the ball at times.

Then we better look somewhere else for a goalie. Muric is good enough anyway I recon.

[dermotdermot]

At this rate I think we’d better splash the cash for Nathan Tella before someone else jumps in. It just has to make sense. We all know that he fits in. As far as I remember, we paid 15million for Foster.

[Fretters]

At this rate I think we’d better splash the cash for Nathan Tella before someone else jumps in. It just has to make sense. We all know that he fits in. As far as I remember, we paid 15million for Foster.

£8 million for Foster, I think.

[jlup1980]

Bit of a strange one.

Pedro has a lot of pedigree, he certainly suits the type of forward Brighton like. (Quick, excellent dribbler, potential).

Without knowing the terms of that deal, i suspect a large portion of it is based on performance type add ons.

I think it’s fair to say Pedro probably has the higher ceiling of to two.

I think you're probably right with regards to Pedro having the greater overall potential, but £30m at this moment seems a much greater risk than £15m for Tella. I'm amazed we haven't got a deal done to be honest. We didn't mess around with Beyer and I expected the same with Maatsen and Tella to be honest. We need these guys just to get back to where we were at the end of the season, never mind bringing in improvements for next season. I can't see JBG getting much game time in the PL so that only leaves Benson and Zaroury for the wide positions. Tella and "another" relatively cheap option from Belgium makes sense to me.

[dermotdermot]

I thought it was 15m.

[RVclaret]

I thought it was 15m.

It was reported in the Athletic as £8m

[NewClaret]

Sounds like Napoli and Lille are keen on Mike Tresor so you’d probably suggest that’s a no go for us

It’s not been our best day on the recruitment front, has it?!

[123EasyasBFC]

Mignolet is still way better than both of them. Vandevoordt is also better. I don't need an article for that. I even rate Vancrombrugghe higher than Butez, who just had one good season after years of being bang average. For me not a good goalkeeper. Decent at best. Too short for me and struggles with the ball at times.

Then we better look somewhere else for a goalie. Muric is good enough anyway I recon.

Better off trusting kompanys judgement on a keeper if Butez is the alternative then kompany likes him and as said earlier regardless of having a good team in front of him 19 clean sheets isn’t to be sniffed at

[fatboy47]

I'm not convinced Verbruggen was ever a genuine target.

Our seeming involvement has certainly significantly upped the price that Anderlecht will receive.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think you're probably right with regards to Pedro having the greater overall potential, but £30m at this moment seems a much greater risk than £15m for Tella. I'm amazed we haven't got a deal done to be honest. We didn't mess around with Beyer and I expected the same with Maatsen and Tella to be honest. We need these guys just to get back to where we were at the end of the season, never mind bringing in improvements for next season. I can't see JBG getting much game time in the PL so that only leaves Benson and Zaroury for the wide positions. Tella and "another" relatively cheap option from Belgium makes sense to me.

Part of me thinks under the new regime they have a totally different set of parameters for transfers.

Purely spit balling but perhaps they are looking at the Tella transfer with a number orientated stance.

Player will be 24. If we purchase him for 15m can we sell him for 25-30m in two years time. If the answer is no then we won’t get him

[ClaretTony]

Any transfers this week do we reckon?

I’m going for the Orient keeper and young Dortmund defender.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the Leyton Orient keeper was next through the door

[123EasyasBFC]

Wouldn’t surprise me if the Leyton Orient keeper was next through the door

No further news on Clarke, after your pal from Sunderland said he thought it was all but done?

[MancunianClaret]

Brighton in for Verbrugge
Napoli in for Tresor
Villareal in for Butez

Can't say I'd be surprised if we missed out on all three!

[Rick_Muller]

I'm not convinced Verbruggen was ever a genuine target.

Our seeming involvement has certainly significantly upped the price that Anderlecht will receive.

are you suggesting that VK helped inflate the price for his old club?

[CrosspoolClarets]

I'm not convinced Verbruggen was ever a genuine target.

Our seeming involvement has certainly significantly upped the price that Anderlecht will receive.

Disagree but understand the logic.

It is a win win - I feel we wanted him and if we get him we get him, if we don’t we have made a rival pay more and also helped Anderlecht receive more while making Verbruggen feel he was wanted. Far better outcomes than if he simply went to BHA originally.

We seem to be following a pyramid model - we start with our ideal targets at the top, then if we miss out we work down to plan B then C. Far more structure than in the past.

[clarets12]

Can't say I'd be surprised if we missed out on all three!

That's the attitude!

[MancunianClaret]

That's the attitude!

Not sure my attitude will have any influence on matters mate. Wish it did and I might be more upbeat about things.

[Lancasterclaret]

Reality is that once the price goes north of £20 million, we aren't in it anymore

We have about four or five places we have to fill, and that would be a good chunk of our budget