Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Nori1958]

I think the thing that is confusing some of us is that Muric was a real success story last season. He was excellent towards the end of the season. So strange that we’ve been so actively trying to replace him. I feel it must be an off the field issue because on the field he looks like he is a great fit for Kompany’s style . I don’t think the huge party while the season was still on did him any favours.

I think most people would say the best part of his game was when he was playing sweeper, which was great last season. Premier league teams won't allow him to do that, so taking that away from his game what are you left with?...a keeper you would be confident of pulling off 4 or 5 big saves every game?
Plus have you ever seen a keeping coming off injured in the number of games he did?
Put those together and I can understand why Kompany might be looking at replacing him.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

If our manager thinks he can do the job, that's good enough for me.

I’m sorry but this is the sort of attitude that will see another awful season! Without consulting certain posters on this board (who have the amazing capacity to have an in depth knowledge on every player we are linked with) the club will struggle. Maybe something that can be brought up at the next meeting with Pace?

[BigAlClaret]

I think we all agree there needs to be competition for places.So Muric vs Trafford vs Vigouroux is a good thing.If any player doesn't like that they wouldn't have joined or will leave.Its healthy for the club and may even make money on future transfer fees. Football has been this way for a long time and won't change anytime soon.If Muric said (hypothetically) I don't want that and wish to leave he would find it very difficult to find a club that doesn't do similar and make a step up career wise.You can't walk into a starting position in any top club unless you are a complete superstar. Likewise he's too young for a keeper to really step down a league for an easier life.

[andyh]

I think most people would say the best part of his game was when he was playing sweeper, which was great last season. Premier league teams won't allow him to do that, so taking that away from his game what are you left with?...a keeper you would be confident of pulling off 4 or 5 big saves every game?
Plus have you ever seen a keeping coming off injured in the number of games he did?
Put those together and I can understand why Kompany might be looking at replacing him.

I couldn’t disagree more. You only have to look at the city cup game to realise that if anything you need a keeper who is good with his feet. We weren’t able to beat the city press because BPF wasn’t skilled enough.

[warksclaret]

If Muric was up to PL standard, then bearing in mind we won the Championship with 101 points, lost only three league games, best defence in the league, fewest goals conceded etc, then you would have thought there would be several PL teams targeting him. Thats why he is looking at Turkey. I dont even think a Championship side would want him

VK has watched Trafford a number of times and wanted him when he managed Anderlecht. I know some readers love Muric, his nutmegs, ability to pass etc, but for me he gives me kittens. Not felt like that about a GK since Brian Jensen-he could be sublime one minute then flapping the next. The PL is a cruel world, and Muric would be targetted from the first league game. VK has got this absolutely spot on. Trafford will be No 1 and Vigoroux No 2 if Muric, as I suspect, throws his toys out the pram

[boatshed bill]

I couldn’t disagree more. You only have to look at the city cup game to realise that if anything you need a keeper who is good with his feet. We weren’t able to beat the city press because BPF wasn’t skilled enough.

Andy, whilst agreeing that BPF's footwork wasn't up to that of Muric, I doubt we'd have fared much better had Muric played.

[Firthy]

Apparently, due to our chronic shortage in CB's and due to his size and the fact he's so good with his feet, VK is converting Muric to a CB who can also cover in goals and free up a spot on the bench for another outfield player

[Rileybobs]

I think the thing that is confusing some of us is that Muric was a real success story last season. He was excellent towards the end of the season. So strange that we’ve been so actively trying to replace him. I feel it must be an off the field issue because on the field he looks like he is a great fit for Kompany’s style . I don’t think the huge party while the season was still on did him any favours.

I think excellent is stretching it a bit to be honest. He made an average of just over 2 saves per game across the season, there were some games towards the end of the season where he barely got within 50 yards of the ball. I’m not using that against him, he can only deal with what he faces - but the coaching staff will know his limitations as a shot stopper and obviously feel that we need someone more capable of keeping the ball out of the net. And this decision will be based on a lot more than how he performed as basically an outfield player in a team that was too good for the rest of the division.

[Socrates]

I dont even think a Championship side would want him

Are you on glue?

[warksclaret]

Are you on glue?

No definitely not only glue-and you know what Socrates there will be a fair number of clarets thinking the same as me. Everyone to their opinions. Read some of the comments of Forest fans when he played for them in the Championship.

[ksrclaret]

I think Newcastleclaret has moved to Warwickshire and taken the hyperbole allele with him

[Socrates]

No definitely not only glue-and you know what Socrates there will be a fair number of clarets thinking the same as me. Everyone to their opinions. Read some of the comments of Forest fans when he played for them in the Championship.

I bet you are the only Burnley fan who thinks no Championship teams would want him.

Properly crackers that post. Batsh*t.

[matttheclaret]

No definitely not only glue-and you know what Socrates there will be a fair number of clarets thinking the same as me. Everyone to their opinions. Read some of the comments of Forest fans when he played for them in the Championship.

Why do we need to read what Forest fans thought of him based on a small number of games years ago, when we all saw him with our own eyes have a very good season in a title winning side?

[Darnhill Claret]

Why would Muric not have enough time to play in the Prem. Have you not noticed that at least half of the teams play out from the back despite many teams using the high press. Emerson and Alison may look better than the rest because of the quality of the players in their teams. Despite that fact they still both made as many errors, if not more, last season as Muric.

[jedi_master]

Muric proved himself in the Championship, he was superb second half of the season. The only problem he would have in terms of interest is that he’s a pretty ‘specialist’ keeper in my opinion. Not many of the clogging, route one no-hopers in the league below (Rotherham, Cardiff, Preston etc) could use him effectively or have the defenders with the levels of ability on the ball needed to allow him to do what he does. That’s probably the reason he’d look away from the UK if we’re selling?

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think Newcastleclaret has moved to Warwickshire and taken the hyperbole allele with him

What hyperbole?

[Darnhill Claret]

Let's not forget also, that Trafford, as good as he undoubtedly is, has played League 1 and an Under 21 tournament. I believe that we have 3 excellent keepers who should all improve further as competitors and teammates.

[Tricky Trevor]

I couldn’t disagree more. You only have to look at the city cup game to realise that if anything you need a keeper who is good with his feet. We weren’t able to beat the city press because BPF wasn’t skilled enough.

And exactly which teams can beat the City press?

[Big Vinny K]

No definitely not only glue-and you know what Socrates there will be a fair number of clarets thinking the same as me. Everyone to their opinions. Read some of the comments of Forest fans when he played for them in the Championship.

Are the comments similar to Huddersfield fans on Arfield ?
Blackburn fans on Jones ?
Hull fans on Marney ?
Chelsea fans on Salah ?

Why on earth would any sane Burnley fans take notice of comments on a player from a previous club after seeing the player for themselves for a full season ?

[Darnhill Claret]

We can all interpret things differently. I don't believe th at VK doubts Muric. To me, he just wants the 3 best keepers he can get to the club and 22 outfield players, who complete a strong team whoever h3 selects. VK is not aiming for a 17th place finish.

[ksrclaret]

What hyperbole?

It’s the allele that causes sufferers, to use one of your symptoms, to post things like it’s a miracle Muric is able to catch a ball during the game we won promotion to the PL.

Another symptom would be posting that nobody in the Championship would want Muric.

Basically, it causes sufferers to spout shite.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s the allele that causes sufferers, to use one of your symptoms, to post things like it’s a miracle Muric is able to catch a ball during the game we won promotion to the PL.

Another symptom would be posting that nobody in the Championship would want Muric.

Basically, it causes sufferers to spout shite.

You might want to read again. That wasn’t me that even posted that haha you clown

[ksrclaret]

You might want to read again. That wasn’t me that even posted that haha you clown

Well aware of that, it was Warks who posted that hence my comment on you moving to Warks

It was you who posted it was a miracle Muric could catch a ball during the Midds game though

I see you’ve also got the irony allele

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well aware of that, it was Warks who posted that hence my comment on you moving to Warks

It was you who posted it was a miracle Muric could catch a ball during the Midds game though

I see you’ve also got the irony allele

Tbf it looks quite clear that VK agrees with me to some level. Otherwise why would be after another number 1

[Big Vinny K]

I think excellent is stretching it a bit to be honest. He made an average of just over 2 saves per game across the season, there were some games towards the end of the season where he barely got within 50 yards of the ball. I’m not using that against him, he can only deal with what he faces - but the coaching staff will know his limitations as a shot stopper and obviously feel that we need someone more capable of keeping the ball out of the net. And this decision will be based on a lot more than how he performed as basically an outfield player in a team that was too good for the rest of the division.

Not sure that the definition of excellent is the average number of saves he made given our dominance and the way we played. Of course his number of saves is part of it but far more important last season was the high line he maintained and what he did with his feet. When you have the best defence in the league then you are not going to face anywhere near as many shots to save. But we were not a team where our keeper walked off the pitch hardly having a touch of the ball - Muric was an integral part of our play in every single game we played and o think it’s hard to argue that as his decision making improved after a sticky start that he was anything else but excellent.

And that’s not me saying he would be good enough for the PL as personally I have my reservations - a major one being is I think he’s a bit soft. He doesn’t command his area as he should and in the PL you are just going to get punished for a keeper flapping or staying on his line etc

[martin_p]

I think we can only judge the Trafford transfer, if the sums being talked about are anywhere near true, in the context on the whole transfer window. As we sit here now, in desperate need of a left back and a striker, spending that much money on a position that didn’t seem a priority seems slightly odd. Of course if we sign players for those priority positions who look as good or better than what we had there last season then all is good, but we won’t know that until the end of August.

[ksrclaret]

Tbf it looks quite clear that VK agrees with me to some level. Otherwise why would be after another number 1

He’s clearly after a new number 1 because he thinks he can get better for the PL. that’s fair enough and makes sense, the case for that has been well argued on here.

Muric was, though, frequently excellent and sometimes sublime in the Championship, even allowing for some errors in a relatively young GK

[eastcoastclaret]

We can all interpret things differently. I don't believe th at VK doubts Muric. To me, he just wants the 3 best keepers he can get to the club and 22 outfield players, who complete a strong team whoever h3 selects. VK is not aiming for a 17th place finish.

Agree. If Trafford signs, we will have four 1st team goalkeepers, with one likely to leave. We have a very good goalkeeping coach who will help them improve further. Too many people getting hung up on the price tag and the England hype. Let Kompany and the goalkeeping coach decide who becomes 1st choice.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He’s clearly after a new number 1 because he thinks he can get better for the PL. that’s fair enough and makes sense, the case for that has been well argued on here.

Muric was, though, frequently excellent and sometimes sublime in the Championship, even allowing for some errors in a relatively young GK

He’s was excellent at distributing the ball. Not sure he was ever excellent at shot stopping or coming for the ball

[Pickles]

As with most things, the discussion around goalkeepers has gone a tad binary.

Trafford coming in doesn't mean Muric is, was or will be a bad goalkeeper.

It's objective - Muric was good for us last season. There's very little argument against it. A team with the best defensive record, 101 points, champions. They don't have a bad goalkeeper. Maybe it's on me, but I do genuinely struggle to work out how anyone could have watched us for even just ten minutes last season and failed to be convinced on just how key Muric was. He was pivotal to our success. If his play made you feel nervous or jittery or whatever, well I doubt that comes up in transfer negotiations.

As with most things football related - we'll never know. There could've been a huge row, Muric could have had a better offer months ago, Kompany could see Trafford as an upgrade.

But the daft hyperbole (which usually always crops up during the summer months, may I add) is just well, daft. And really tedious.

[Darnhill Claret]

Yes, Muric still has room for further improvement and development. We need to see that his increased confidence continues in the Prem. Sitting in the Bob Lord, I heard him barking out instructions to his teammates as the season came to an end and I'm sure Jimmy Mac Lower and Upper will be able to confirm. We need 2 top keepers because as we know from both Heaton and Pope, injuries happen.

[KRBFC]

Read some of the comments of Forest fans when he played for them in the Championship.

Lol so ridiculous to even mention the few games he played for Forest years ago when he was 19/20 years old and that was his first taste of professional football.

For a better reference how about you talk about the last two good seasons he’s had where he was a regular starter at two different clubs.

Do we completely forget Arfields spell here and just sh!t on him for comments from Huddersfield fans?

[Rileybobs]

Not sure that the definition of excellent is the average number of saves he made given our dominance and the way we played. Of course his number of saves is part of it but far more important last season was the high line he maintained and what he did with his feet. When you have the best defence in the league then you are not going to face anywhere near as many shots to save. But we were not a team where our keeper walked off the pitch hardly having a touch of the ball - Muric was an integral part of our play in every single game we played and o think it’s hard to argue that as his decision making improved after a sticky start that he was anything else but excellent.

And that’s not me saying he would be good enough for the PL as personally I have my reservations - a major one being is I think he’s a bit soft. He doesn’t command his area as he should and in the PL you are just going to get punished for a keeper flapping or staying on his line etc

I know, but I didn’t say that was the definition of excellent did I? I said it was a stretch to say that he was excellent towards the end of last season considering some games he literally had nothing to do. Of course he was integral in us being able to beat the press but not every team pressed us, in fact a lot didn’t - Hudds at home for example he was literally a spectator, and there were others.

I think most people would agree that we will be facing a lot more than 3 shots per game next season and it seems to me that the management team feel that we need a keeper that will keep a greater percentage of those goals out of the net. And perhaps they are happy to sacrifice some of Muric’s ability on the ball to strengthen in what may be considered to be the more traditional goalkeeping attributes.

We were the Man City of the Championship and had a goalkeeper to reflect this, but we will be the Burnley of the Premier League - next season is a completely different ball game.

[Darnhill Claret]

As for Muric coming off injured. How many times did that happen? Was it twice? It is likely that he started those games with an injury niggle that he aggravated during the game. Not sure why people think that it supports their agenda.

[KRBFC]

Why do we need to read what Forest fans thought of him based on a small number of games years ago, when we all saw him with our own eyes have a very good season in a title winning side?

This this this

Apparently I’m the negative one, certain posters can’t help but wanna find fault in our players and slag them off, they’d rather talk about all the things our players can’t do rather than what they can do.

We just amassed over 100 points, even I can’t start slagging off crucial starters like Tella, Maatsen, Roberts and Muric.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

He’s was excellent at distributing the ball. Not sure he was ever excellent at shot stopping or coming for the ball

Most goalies don't "come for the ball", it's been discussed on here before and the stats prove that too.
Not even the top ones come for and claim every ball.

I can provide the stats but people always seem to get annoyed by them because they prefer what they've seen with their own eyes over professionally gathered stats.

It's also not a GK's job to claim every cross, they're meant to let defenders deal with the majority of them, that's their job.

[Rileybobs]

Most goalies don't "come for the ball", it's been discussed on here before and the stats prove that too.
Not even the top ones come for and claim every ball.

I can provide the stats but people always seem to get annoyed by them because they prefer what they've seen with their own eyes over professionally gathered stats.

If I remember that thread right people just pointed out that your stats didn’t support the argument you were making.

[fatboy47]

If Muric is/was for sale there'll be no shortage of suitors.

[Pickles]

Most goalies don't "come for the ball", it's been discussed on here before and the stats prove that too.
Not even the top ones come for and claim every ball.

I can provide the stats but people always seem to get annoyed by them because they prefer what they've seen with their own eyes over professionally gathered stats.

People still talk about goalkeeping in a way they did twenty, thirty years ago. It's a changed position now, reflecting the way the game has changed. It's rarer now that teams cross.

[taio]

I think the balanced view of Muric is he was much better in the second half of the season than the first. Overall he had a good season and was important to how we played in the Championship. Several posters on here were criticised for questioning his PL credentials yet it seems VK has the same doubts. Feels absurd suggesting he wouldn't be good enough or get interest from a Championship club.

[boatshed bill]

Most goalies don't "come for the ball", it's been discussed on here before and the stats prove that too.
Not even the top ones come for and claim every ball.

It's also not a GK's job to claim every cross, they're meant to let defenders deal with the majority of them, that's their job.

This is correct. The quality and type of crosses (often "whipped" into the most dangerous areas) makes coming for them a bit too open to failure

[KRBFC]

He’s was excellent at distributing the ball. Not sure he was ever excellent at shot stopping or coming for the ball

Do you actually like any of our players? those who just amassed 100+ points and lifted the title?

Muric, Maatsen, THB, Roberts, Brownhill you’ve slagged off repeatedly throughout the season.

Weghorst you hate.

Now more recently you’re slagging off Twine and Tella.

Who’s left? I think the only player you support is Lyle Foster because you said he’d be a great signing and don’t want to be proven wrong.

[RVclaret]

Do you actually like any of our players? those who just amassed 100+ points and lifted the title?

Muric, Maatsen, THB, Roberts, Brownhill you’ve slagged off repeatedly throughout the season.

Weghorst you hate.

Now more recently you’re slagging off Twine and Tella.

Who’s left? I think the only player you support is Lyle Foster because you said he’d be a great signing and don’t want to be proven wrong.

Don’t forget he labelled Cullen a run of the mill Championship player

[quoonbeatz]

Every year this thread provides some excellent laughs.

[Darnhill Claret]

Well he wasn't far off. Cullen is an excellent player at doing run of the mill things.

[NewClaret]

Despite the heroics at the end, which I’m really pleased about given all the scrutiny about his fee, I thought Trafford looked very raw in parts. A bit like Muric at the start of last season actually. Spooned a few kicks under pressure and was scrambling around trying to cover his front post on a few corners.

If you were to ask me unbiasedly to rate the two keepers I’d have said the Spanish guy looked more assured.

In other parts I thought he claimed the ball well and made some tidy saves. He looks a good shot stopper and probably more what Burnley fans are used to seeing in a keeper.

I don’t see him starting as #1 though and I thought the same about Verbruggen. Besides anything else, he’ll now get 2, 3, 4(?) weeks off after the tournament so will miss most of pre-season. Assuming Muric stays, I think thereafter they’ll be battling it out for top spot.

[Darnhill Claret]

Well he wasn't far off. Cullen is an excellent player at doing run of the mill things.

[Boss Hogg]

By this time next week we might have committed to spending a minimum of £30 million and not actually strengthened the starting eleven. In fact it could still be weaker than last season’s team. Still a month until kick off though.

[brexit]

Current state of play
Signed two keepers (assuming Trafford passes medical and agrees personal terms), three centebacks and one forward who is injured and won't play until October at the earliest.
Which hints at playing three at the back
Which leaves us needing 1 left wing back (possibly 2 if Taylor goes), 1 creative midfield player, 1 box-to -box midfielder, a right-winger/forward (Tella replacement) and a central striker.
So, assuming 2 loans, we need to sign at least 3 more players.
Correct or are there players in the squad who can step up, i.e. Twine, Costelloe, Bastien and Foster

[Newcastleclaret93]

Do you actually like any of our players? those who just amassed 100+ points and lifted the title?

Muric, Maatsen, THB, Roberts, Brownhill you’ve slagged off repeatedly throughout the season.

Weghorst you hate.

Now more recently you’re slagging off Twine and Tella.

Who’s left? I think the only player you support is Lyle Foster because you said he’d be a great signing and don’t want to be proven wrong.

Don’t think I’ve ever slagged off THB or Maatsen

If you read what I said you would see I haven’t slagged off Tella. I said I wouldn’t mind signing him but similar to RV I think we can get a couple of players in for the same cost.

Ironically I have also said that Foster has been poor. So your points don’t really make sense