Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:12 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:11 pm
Benson is better than everyone on that list, maybe level with Beyer.

Opinions!

I don’t think he is, he’s a good footballer, but I don’t think he’s as good as those mentioned.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:13 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:11 pm
I’d agree, if I was basing it on everything but his performances. These opinions are based on his performances and my observations…

I could say I don’t like his hair, and his eyes are too close together…

That would be irrational

The performances that took us to the top of the league, with over 100 points? Those performances?

Hatred doesn’t have to be irrational, but in this instance it clearly is.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:16 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:12 pm
Opinions!

I don’t think he is, he’s a good footballer, but I don’t think he’s as good as those mentioned.

Hang on a minute, you rate Wout over Benson? (I'm only understanding that because Wout was on the list and Benny was not.)

I don't think even Wout rates Wout over Benson, and that's saying something.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:27 pm

What has Wout achieved?

What has Benson achieved?

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:29 pm

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:30 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:08 pm
I do think WW is going to be great if he stays…

I also think he wasn’t to blame for the way he was brought into the club and then left. He was bang on to want to play at the highest level he could in a WC year.

I also reckon he told Roberts what a plank he is in a true straight talking Dutch way!

Okay so you don't rate Roberts as a footballer (daft but you're entitled to your opinion), but what evidence do you have that Roberts is a "plank"?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:31 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:27 pm
What has Wout achieved?

What has Benson achieved?

Holy $hit, you actually rate Wout over Benson. Please for the love of god don't apply for the manager's job when Vinny goes to City

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:32 pm

Benson had a better goal return than Weghorst against Premier League teams last season as a Championship player

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:32 pm

Mods can we sort this out? This is a joke with posters talking about anything but transfers

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:33 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:30 pm
Okay so you don't rate Roberts as a footballer (daft but you're entitled to your opinion), but what evidence do you have that Roberts is a "plank"?

That was facetious! Christ on a bike!

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:33 pm

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:32 pm
Benson had a better goal return than Weghorst against Premier League teams last season as a Championship player

facts

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm

I get the sentiment here, but why is anyone comparing the two? Completely different players, in different positions with different careers.

It’s Apple to pears

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:31 pm
Holy $hit, you actually rate Wout over Benson. Please for the love of god don't apply for the manager's job when Vinny goes to City

Football isn’t my bread and butter

ClaretInLeeds · Post by **ClaretInLeeds** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm

Any transfer news/rumours?

Seems to be just clueless people arguing.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:32 pm
Mods can we sort this out? This is a joke with posters talking about anything but transfers

Nah, it's reyt, when there's more transfer news it'll go back to transfer chat. Anyway, this convo grew from a discussion about signing a RB, so it's technically on topic.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:36 pm

........................................ALL IS DROSS!!......................................

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:37 pm

Why don’t you just start a Roberts and Weghorst thread instead of ruining the thread with your petty arguments?

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:37 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:33 pm
facts

Does that make him better? Has he had a better career?

Bensons good but I think people make him out to be brilliant when he’s yet to prove it consistently at the highest level. Wout has.

I agree with Newcastle, totally different players.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:38 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm
Football isn’t my bread and butter

Don’t be too harsh on yourself, Wout. You did alright in Germany.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:38 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:32 pm
Mods can we sort this out? This is a joke with posters talking about anything but transfers

cheer up chap….

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:39 pm

ClaretInLeeds wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm
Any transfer news/rumours?...

Nope

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:33 pm
That was facetious! Christ on a bike!

Oh sorry, my fault then for not being able to recognise clear facetiousness. I'll take the responsibility for that one.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:38 pm
Don’t be too harsh on yourself, Wout. You did alright in Germany.

And I’ve scored goals at World Cups.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:44 pm

I'll never understand how people can moan that a footy thread on a footy forum has ruined by having a conversation about football players. I think there's even a 'strictly transfer links, do discussion' thread on the forum somewhere.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:45 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:44 pm
I'll never understand how people can moan that a footy thread on a footy forum has ruined by having a conversation about football players. I think there's even a 'strictly transfer links, do discussion' thread on the forum somewhere.

This bang on

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:52 pm

Back to transfers

Will Lancaster:

Understand Wout Weghorst is focused on playing for Burnley next season.

Told striker has settled score with squad after turbulent relations and is determined to make the difference for Vincent Kompany. Exit not ruled out but huge step in right direction. #twitterclarets #MUFC

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:52 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:37 pm
Does that make him better? Has he had a better career?

Bensons good but I think people make him out to be brilliant when he’s yet to prove it consistently at the highest level. Wout has.

I agree with Newcastle, totally different players.

I think at Benny's age Wout has just signed for Wolfsburg if I'm not mistaken, so it's more sure footed and balanced to base any comparison on ability rather than 'success' given Wout has had longer to stuff his trophy cabinet to the brim with his single solitary league cup winners medal for being on the pitch when his ManUtd teammates won it last year. With that said, all Benny has to do is score three PL goals all season and he's literally achieved more than Wout as a premier league footballer. Benny will do that by November.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:53 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:52 pm
Back to transfers

Will Lancaster:

Understand Wout Weghorst is focused on playing for Burnley next season.

Told striker has settled score with squad after turbulent relations and is determined to make the difference for Vincent Kompany. Exit not ruled out but huge step in right direction. #twitterclarets #MUFC

Oh for fcuks sake.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:53 pm

I've no idea how reliable Will Lancaster is on Twitter, apparently some kind of journalist, but here's what he's just had to say about Wout...

Understand Wout Weghorst is focused on playing for Burnley next season.

Told striker has settled score with squad after turbulent relations and is determined to make the difference for Vincent Kompany. Exit not ruled out but huge step in right direction...

Edit... Apologies, I was beaten to it!

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:53 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:52 pm
Back to transfers

Will Lancaster:

Understand Wout Weghorst is focused on playing for Burnley next season.

Told striker has settled score with squad after turbulent relations and is determined to make the difference for Vincent Kompany. Exit not ruled out but huge step in right direction. #twitterclarets #MUFC

Yes

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:53 pm

I think it would be good if we could use a different font for actual transfer rumours

I do tend to skim through it looking for them, and though it wouldn't be UTC without pointless arguments and people moaning about something or other, I don't really want to read them all

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:55 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:52 pm
Back to transfers

Will Lancaster:

Understand Wout Weghorst is focused on playing for Burnley next season.

Told striker has settled score with squad after turbulent relations and is determined to make the difference for Vincent Kompany. Exit not ruled out but huge step in right direction. #twitterclarets #MUFC

If we play in a similar way to how we played last season. he'd be pretty much perfect.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:56 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:55 pm
If we play in a similar way to how we played last season. he'd be pretty much perfect.

This

I know there are some on here who you do wonder if they'd ever seen us play ever, but this seems to be fairly clear

And if VK wants him, then that is good enough for me

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:56 pm

I'd rather not have that Dutch ironing board cluttering up our play, but if VK thinks he can do a job I'll put my trust in him to work his biggest miracle yet.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:56 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:55 pm
If we play in a similar way to how we played last season. he'd be pretty much perfect.

I am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt but I really struggle to see how he scores us the goals we need next season.

I expected us to play a lot more on the counter attack

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:53 pm
I think it would be good if we could use a different font for actual transfer rumours

I do tend to skim through it looking for them, and though it wouldn't be UTC without pointless arguments and people moaning about something or other, I don't really want to read them all

This colour for basic transfer news

This colour for club related chat/finances/squad composition

This colour for discussion of football itself/actual playing

This colour for talking shite

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:58 pm

He’s got everything to prove, but we have to trust Kompany here. He’d definitely suit our current style more than his last sojourn with us, but the inability to score goals at this level is a pretty major concern.

Perhaps this explains the lack of any real links to a centre forward?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:58 pm

Just save time and have that bottom colour for everything now I think about it

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:58 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:57 pm
This colour for basic transfer news

This colour for club related chat/finances/squad composition

This colour for discussion of football itself/actual playing

This colour for talking shite

no

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:58 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:45 pm
This bang on

It is a shame the entire forum is a single thread. Oh, wait.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:59 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:56 pm
I am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt but I really struggle to see how he scores us the goals we need next season.

I expected us to play a lot more on the counter attack

I'm not so sure the striker role in Kompany's system is about getting goals. (On the basis of last season.) He's pretty much said this himself.

But yes, I take your points.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:02 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:56 pm
I'd rather not have that Dutch ironing board cluttering up our play

He did the very opposite of this for us. Criticise his goal output, for sure. But his link up play was/is very good.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:03 pm

If he’s made up with the squad and Kompany has got him fully on board then that suits me. My main concern was him fitting back in with the team but I trust Kompany as a man manager. From a stylistic perspective I think it’s a good fit for what he wants from a striker in our system and if it saves us money to buy someone like Mikautadze to play off him I’m all for it.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:05 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:59 pm
I'm not so sure the striker role in Kompany's system is about getting goals. (On the basis of last season.) He's pretty much said this himself.

But yes, I take your points.

I’m not expecting our striker to get 15 but I would expect a striker to get at least 7-8 for us next season.

Not sure Weghorst gets remotely close to that total.

But this is a new system with some creative players, so I guess we will just have to wait and see. VK must think he has something if he’s willing to give him a chance. I do worry about his reception though, not sure there’s been many Burnley players in the past with such a poor reputation with the fans

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:07 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:02 pm
He did the very opposite of this for us. Criticise his goal output, for sure. But his link up play was/is very good.

I was never convinced by it, personally.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:07 pm

Jay is more aggressive than Wout, quicker, better shot. Foster looks to have the potential to be way more physical, but just needs to learn how to be more mentally aggressive. I think we need more than 'some nice touches' from Wout. If we allow Foster to grow into the role we might see him become the player he was expected to become earlier in his career. ksr's 'cluttering up our play' is a great way of putting it. I don't see him bearing down on goal like Jay can/Barnes/even Foster, and as fair as Wout's touches might be, I don't think it's enough to justify having a lumbering Ent up front.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:08 pm

The guy has a 1 in 2 record in the bundesliga (59 in 118 games), he knows where the net is. He's obviously not in great form, and he struggled under Dyche. But at the end, everyone was. I think out of everyone next season, if he stays, he'll suprise the most.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:10 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:02 pm
He did the very opposite of this for us. Criticise his goal output, for sure. But his link up play was/is very good.

The thing about this "link-up play" is that whoever is providing the link is then required to be making haste to an area where he may get a shot at goal.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:12 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:08 pm
and he struggled under Dyche. But at the end, everyone was.

Think Dyche had little to no idea of what to do with him. Think he heard he was 6ft5 and salivated at the prospect of all the hoofs forward and Roberts' famous "long throw."

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:13 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:08 pm
The guy has a 1 in 2 record in the bundesliga (59 in 118 games), he knows where the net is. He's obviously not in great form, and he struggled under Dyche. But at the end, everyone was. I think out of everyone next season, if he stays, he'll suprise the most.

His record in the prem is w@nk. He had the equivalent of a full season in England as a striker and scored a grand total of two goals, and half of that time with a team that finished third.