Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[jedi_master]

Big question is - should we also be concerned about the radio silence on Trafford…

[ClaretTony]

Interesting that, seems to be a decision the club decided or had to make

I believe we pulled out of the deal

[CnBtruntru]

Maybe when the lawyers read the agreement Dortmund have put in the clause includes payment on relegation as well as staying up and the boys have said didn't agree to that, deal off, the fact none of us are on the legal teams it is all speculation.

[NewClaret]

Looked unlikely early this week but I’m not sure it has anything to do with disagreements between the two clubs

Well the other theory is something showed up on the medical. In which case maybe this reason protects Dortmunds position.

Would make more sense.

[RVclaret]

I got the impression Coulibally would have been a left sided CB/ Left wing back option and THB certainly isnt that

Fully agree with his.

[ClaretTony]

Big question is - should we also be concerned about the radio silence on Trafford…

I don’t think so. I’m not sure where he is in terms of having a summer break but nothing to suggest it’s not happening.

[mdd2]

Maybe another phantom knee problem like Austin

[ClaretTony]

Well the other theory is something showed up on the medical. In which case maybe this reason protects Dortmunds position.

Would make more sense.

If something did show up on the medical then surely we’d be obliged to say nothing although I’m not saying that’s the reason.

[summitclaret]

I got the impression Coulibally would have been a left sided CB/ Left wing back option and THB certainly isnt that

True, but he is a potential England captain and clearly liked playing for VK and us.

[ClaretTony]

Maybe another phantom knee problem like Austin

That was shocking from Hull making that public.

[Pearcey]

Time will tell if we’ve missed out or dodged a bullet but I’m not overly bothered that he’s not coming as I think we look good for centre halves. Saying that, I’d take THB all day long!

[jedi_master]

I referenced Daniel Ballard earlier when concerned about lack of announcement around Coulibaly. The signals last summer were that he was a done deal, but conjecture on whether it was Burnley pulling out or him failing a medical but we’ve shown previously that if we’re not happy about something we’ll move swiftly on.

[Lancasterclaret]

More than happy for us to get the right people in rather than to hurry stuff up if we aren't sure

[NewClaret]

If something did show up on the medical then surely we’d be obliged to say nothing although I’m not saying that’s the reason.

Sounds like that’s what we did? Said nothing and probably Dortmund claim it’s a clause issue?

All I got told was it was likely off due to “details” after the medical. But sounds like we have acted very professionally, either way.

[randomclaret2]

True, but he is a potential England captain and clearly liked playing for VK and us.

I totally agree, just pointing out that he and Coulibally are not like for like playing position wise

[CnBtruntru]

We need cover for left back in case Taylor is moved on, probably 2 left sided even though I think Vitinho would be utilised in that position as he seems to be able to play many parts.

[ClaretTony]

I referenced Daniel Ballard earlier when concerned about lack of announcement around Coulibaly. The signals last summer were that he was a done deal, but conjecture on whether it was Burnley pulling out or him failing a medical but we’ve shown previously that if we’re not happy about something we’ll move swiftly on.

Don’t think Ballard reached the medical stage but the club became aware of an issue which made us decide to pull out.

[jedi_master]

Sounds like that’s what we did? Said nothing and probably Dortmund claim it’s a clause issue?

All I got told was it was likely off due to “details” after the medical. But sounds like we have acted very professionally, either way.

I had read that Coulibaly had suffered a significant period out with a knee injury (ACL) 18 months ago.

[ClaretAL]

Bayern did fine as the LCB but it depends how that works in a 3 or a 4, I think the biggest position to fill is LB presuming Anas is LW

[Cooclaret]

At least its a rumour but I wouldn't touch Adams not Premier league standard
The only Saints player we need is Nathan Tella

I would have a few players from Saints I’d they were on offer.

[Firthy]

One positive with the Coulibaly deal falling through is that it might free up some extra money for a striker and midfield where we really need to upgrade.

[northeastclaret]

I referenced Daniel Ballard earlier when concerned about lack of announcement around Coulibaly. The signals last summer were that he was a done deal, but conjecture on whether it was Burnley pulling out or him failing a medical but we’ve shown previously that if we’re not happy about something we’ll move swiftly on.

Ballard said recently in the Sunderland press that he pulled out of the deal because he thought he would get more game time at Sunderland and has no regrets even though Burnley won the league

[spt_claret]

We need cover for left back in case Taylor is moved on, probably 2 left sided even though I think Vitinho would be utilised in that position as he seems to be able to play many parts.

I love Vitinho and think as a right wingback with a back 3 behind him he could be fantastic for us.
Don't see him as our leftback option in the Prem especially if we play the same setup as last year.

Not hugely disheartened to not get Coulibaly- unless he was seen as a CDM or LB I don't see where he fits in without at least one of our permanent players having to make way- and I already find it remarkable that at least 1 of Ekdal, Beyer, Al Dahkil and O'Shea won't be playing regularly, we're so overstocked in that position even before considering McNally it's incredible.
Even as a loan, it felt an unusual one, and with an obligation of that price for such an inexperienced player, it's really reliant on VK pulling off another transfer miracle- and while I don't rule him out doing that, nobody can pull it off every time.

[jojomk1]

Its possible Pep has called VK and told him we have first refusal on THB as the player wants to play for us. I am sure the £15m could be paid in 4 installments. Its starting to look attractive, and a sound investment . Please let it happen

First problem with that statement is, what if other clubs are prepared to outbid us and go above £15m
Also, is anybody sure THB has said he wants to play for us and no other team
Last I heard there are now a number of clubs seriously looking at THB inc Newcastle, Fulham, WHU and Notts Forrest

No idea if VK has kept in touch with THB but, if not, our recent CB business on O'Shea and Coulibaly may have given Taylor other options to consider

[warksclaret]

Some similarities with the Weghorst deal maybe. The club has suffered following relegation, with the player clearly not wanting to play in a league below, and back with us now we are in the Prem. I suspect the whole Weghorst situation since we signed him has been a real pain to our club,with no one prepared to stump up the right money to buy him

[Ampth7]

Except for the supposed Trafford transfer fee, it all feels a bit too familiar with how we handled transfers under the previous regime.
It seems like we identify players, put in repeated low-ball bids, and ultimately get nowhere. Cases in point being Jack Clarke, Nathan Tella and the Georgian forward whose surname I can’t spell.
On one one hand I am happy that we are being prudent to avoid getting our pants pulled down so to speak, but I’m not sure what’s the point in bidding, for example £12 million, when the selling club are asking £15-20 million?! If media reports are right, we seemed to have submitted several bids for a few players with our 3rd offer still way short of the asking price……….just do the deal or move on, because finding gems for £5 million quid who are premier league ready are few and far between.

[AGENT_CLARET]

First problem with that statement is, what if other clubs are prepared to outbid us and go above £15m
Also, is anybody sure THB has said he wants to play for us and no other team
Last I heard there are now a number of clubs seriously looking at THB inc Newcastle, Fulham, WHU and Notts Forrest

No idea if VK has kept in touch with THB but, if not, our recent CB business on O'Shea and Coulibaly may have given Taylor other options to consider

A lot of ifs buts and maybes in that

[NewClaret]

I had read that Coulibaly had suffered a significant period out with a knee injury (ACL) 18 months ago.

Ah, didn’t know that. Maybe linked then.

Joining all the dots then, maybe that showed up as being a potential risk/not fully healed and we wanted to include a clause that the mandatory buy option wasn’t exercisable if there was an injury reoccurrence or something.

Feel sorry for him though. Mustn’t know if he’s coming or going, the poor lad.

[northeastclaret]

Except for the supposed Trafford transfer fee, it all feels a bit too familiar with how we handled transfers under the previous regime.
It seems like we identify players, put in repeated low-ball bids, and ultimately get nowhere. Cases in point being Jack Clarke, Nathan Tella and the Georgian forward whose surname I can’t spell.
On one one hand I am happy that we are being prudent to avoid getting our pants pulled down so to speak, but I’m not sure what’s the point in bidding, for example £12 million, when the selling club are asking £15-20 million?! If media reports are right, we seemed to have submitted several bids for a few players with our 3rd offer still way short of the asking price……….just do the deal or move on, because finding gems for £5 million quid who are premier league ready are few and far between.

That’s assuming the same thing hasn’t to Trafford deal as well.

[Lancasterclaret]

Except for the supposed Trafford transfer fee, it all feels a bit too familiar with how we handled transfers under the previous regime.
It seems like we identify players, put in repeated low-ball bids, and ultimately get nowhere. Cases in point being Jack Clarke, Nathan Tella and the Georgian forward whose surname I can’t spell.
On one one hand I am happy that we are being prudent to avoid getting our pants pulled down so to speak, but I’m not sure what’s the point in bidding, for example £12 million, when the selling club are asking £15-20 million?! If media reports are right, we seemed to have submitted several bids for a few players with our 3rd offer still way short of the asking price……….just do the deal or move on, because finding gems for £5 million quid who are premier league ready are few and far between.

Last season we had no problem getting players in, because we were offering money for players that premier league clubs did not want and the money we offered was in excess of what they would expect

This season we are completing with all the top division clubs in Europe, and trying to buy their players - its going to be a lot more expensive and going to take longer to get them

It easy for teams like Chelsea and Liverpool to buy players at this level - it is far harder for teams like us and always will be

[blake's wand]

It's much harder to recruit this year for at least 2 reasons:
1 - there are far less players capable of playing in the prem than the championship.
2 - we have gone from being one of the highest paying and most attractive prospects, to one of the least and lowest paying.

Sure we will get some exciting players over the line but was always going to take longer/be harder.

[Colburn_Claret]

Fabrizio just confirmed that the Coulibaliy deal is defo off

On to the next target I guess

Very strange for a deal that has gone so far along the track, to fall apart this late in the day over semantics.
I hope it is a sign that we have found another player, under a better deal, to replace it.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Very strange for a deal that has gone so far along the track, to fall apart this late in the day over semantics.
I hope it is a sign that we have found another player, under a better deal, to replace it.

The lad might of wanted to put in a "Weghorst clause" and not play in the championship if relegated

[colne-claret]

Before the news had broke this morning I’d heard he had failed his medical rather than struggling with the fee.

[Firthy]

Before the news had broke this morning I’d heard he had failed his medical rather than struggling with the fee.

Prety sure the fee isn't the problem here. It's either failed medical or disagreement over the clauses in the contract. Either way I don't think too many are that disappointed as it's not an area where we are short of cover.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Very strange for a deal that has gone so far along the track, to fall apart this late in the day over semantics.
I hope it is a sign that we have found another player, under a better deal, to replace it.

We have, we're playing 6ft 6 Weghorst at CD now

[Spiral]

Some similarities with the Weghorst deal maybe. The club has suffered following relegation, with the player clearly not wanting to play in a league below, and back with us now we are in the Prem. I suspect the whole Weghorst situation since we signed him has been a real pain to our club,with no one prepared to stump up the right money to buy him

These were my thoughts too. You don't get to a medical until the agreement is in place between the clubs, so surely it's not that, and I heard somewhere that while it's not impossible to fail a medical, it's highly unlikely, even for players who have suffered serious injuries like ACLs; it's more of a formality, a box ticking exercise of sorts. I think it's fair to say that as supporters we have a more optimistic outlook about our fortunes this coming season (I say this in the sense that fans are usually more on-the-money than onlookers about the happenings at the club and how a team is growing, not that we have blind optimism), but from Coulibaly's perspective he, as a highly rated young player, is looking at a contract that could potentially alter his career trajectory from being in a squad that competes for the Bundesliga, to playing away at Barnsley.

[Flying Without Ings]

Three signings tomorrow fill your boots

This went well.

[ervi34]

The lad might of wanted to put in a "Weghorst clause" and not play in the championship if relegated

I won't pretend I have inside info, but I think that the problem might have been the mandatory buy clause. If the worst happens and we go down, it would be hard to pay 15 million for him.

[warksclaret]

Lots of speculation-we may never know the reasons , but must now move on. At least I am very confident of the recruitment and selection model we now have in place-people soon forget the torture during the window in which we signed the evergreen Dale Stephens

[Vegas Claret]

if any of you watched the Andy Jones interview that Joe did yesterday (Turfcast) you'll understand how we work - last season we targeted about 60 players and signed 16 out of those. This is why we are linked with players all the time and we clearly have a huge list of 'potentials'

[LaLigaClaret]

There is still lots of time before the window closes so no panic yet. However we do need a significant number of players to come in and still some players to try and move on. The LB position is now becoming difficult, midfield upgrades are needed and a goal scoring striker is another obvious problem. We haven't replaced Maatsen, we haven't got anybody for Tella, Barnes hasn't been replaced, Cork needs upgrading and further incomings needed, and cover is light for our wingers. There are lots of links to players but appear to be struggling to get them over the line, Vrankx, Clarke, Flemming, Drameh et al. There seems to be little progress on what is happening with McNally, Weghorst,Taylor, Churlinov etc Now there is a link to Che Adams again, please No ! Are things looking that desperate ?

[claretonthecoast1882]

No one does panic like a Burnley fan

[AGENT_CLARET]

I won't pretend I have inside info, but I think that the problem might have been the mandatory buy clause. If the worst happens and we go down, it would be hard to pay 15 million for him.

Whilst he's on loan at an other club like Man utd say

[ClaretTony]

Ballard said recently in the Sunderland press that he pulled out of the deal because he thought he would get more game time at Sunderland and has no regrets even though Burnley won the league

I read that. I'd take that with a large pinch of salt.

[ClaretTony]

I won't pretend I have inside info, but I think that the problem might have been the mandatory buy clause. If the worst happens and we go down, it would be hard to pay 15 million for him.

Don't think so

[CrosspoolClarets]

The thing with Coulibally that concerned me is that he apparently insisted on leaving PSG then the same with Dortmund. Both far bigger than us. Only a young kid too. So is he one of these players (or agents) who is constantly agitating for a move as soon as something doesn’t go right?

My fears with the likes of Wout too, even though I like him to a degree,

What goes on upstairs is equally important as playing ability, and by upstairs I don’t mean the boardroom.

[Vegas Claret]

There is still lots of time before the window closes so no panic yet. However we do need a significant number of players to come in and still some players to try and move on. The LB position is now becoming difficult, midfield upgrades are needed and a goal scoring striker is another obvious problem. We haven't replaced Maatsen, we haven't got anybody for Tella, Barnes hasn't been replaced, Cork needs upgrading and further incomings needed, and cover is light for our wingers. There are lots of links to players but appear to be struggling to get them over the line, Vrankx, Clarke, Flemming, Drameh et al. There seems to be little progress on what is happening with McNally, Weghorst,Taylor, Churlinov etc Now there is a link to Che Adams again, please No ! Are things looking that desperate ?

literally in the post above you I outlined how we work and why we are linked to so many players - watch the interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yvVlvOr2R4

[Quickenthetempo]

Except for the supposed Trafford transfer fee, it all feels a bit too familiar with how we handled transfers under the previous regime.
It seems like we identify players, put in repeated low-ball bids, and ultimately get nowhere. Cases in point being Jack Clarke, Nathan Tella and the Georgian forward whose surname I can’t spell.
On one one hand I am happy that we are being prudent to avoid getting our pants pulled down so to speak, but I’m not sure what’s the point in bidding, for example £12 million, when the selling club are asking £15-20 million?! If media reports are right, we seemed to have submitted several bids for a few players with our 3rd offer still way short of the asking price……….just do the deal or move on, because finding gems for £5 million quid who are premier league ready are few and far between.

I suggested this a few week back and had 5 rottweilers straight at me.

[kentonclaret]

I suggested this a few week back and had 5 rottweilers straight at me.

Obviously came straight over from the “dangerous dogs” thread.