Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Lancasterclaret]

No one does panic like a Burnley fan

Any #twitter(insertfootballclubnickname) panics like this 24/7

[jedi_master]

No use panicking because we know from last summer that we have the ability to string loads of signings into a short span of time - just a matter of finishing them off. It feels to me we have loads of plates spinning and that we have the power to make them stop spinning whenever we want, but are biding our time. Unquestionable that we need to start landing them though in the near future yes - the team we have is weaker than last season as it stands, but that was always going to be the case until the loans were either signed or replaced.

[Steddyman]

if any of you watched the Andy Jones interview that Joe did yesterday (Turfcast) you'll understand how we work - last season we targeted about 60 players and signed 16 out of those. This is why we are linked with players all the time and we clearly have a huge list of 'potentials'

So that sounds identical to the previous regime where we were linked to the same player for three transfer windows before finally signing him (Dale Stephenson). Eventually missed out on Andrew Driver.

[Vegas Claret]

So that sounds identical to the previous regime where we were linked to the same player for three transfer windows before finally signing him (Dale Stephenson). Eventually missed out on Andrew Driver.

the complete opposite

[thehistorylecturer62]

These were my thoughts too. You don't get to a medical until the agreement is in place between the clubs, so surely it's not that, and I heard somewhere that while it's not impossible to fail a medical, it's highly unlikely, even for players who have suffered serious injuries like ACLs; it's more of a formality, a box ticking exercise of sorts. I think it's fair to say that as supporters we have a more optimistic outlook about our fortunes this coming season (I say this in the sense that fans are usually more on-the-money than onlookers about the happenings at the club and how a team is growing, not that we have blind optimism), but from Coulibaly's perspective he, as a highly rated young player, is looking at a contract that could potentially alter his career trajectory from being in a squad that competes for the Bundesliga, to playing away at Barnsley.

‘ box ticking exercise of sorts’ .. errr no.

[Steddyman]

the complete opposite

*whoosh*

[ClaretTony]

‘ box ticking exercise of sorts’ .. errr no.

Has someone really suggested that a medical is box ticking?

[thehistorylecturer62]

Has someone really suggested that a medical is box ticking?

Yes .. given how long the medicals take there must be an awful lot of boxes !

[Vegas Claret]

Has someone really suggested that a medical is box ticking?

if it was 99% of us wouldn't tick most of the required boxes !!

[Vegas Claret]

*whoosh*

far too subtle for me that one !

[ClaretTony]

Yes .. given how long the medicals take there must be an awful lot of boxes !

I remember seeing the video the club put out on Jon Walters’ medical and the explanations they gave about the process. It made me realise that they are more extensive than I thought.

[boyyanno]

To be fair some medicals are conducted like a box ticking exercise. I'll give you an example, Anthony Knockeart last year at Hudds. Signed for them and had a broken foot.

I know some physios that work at Burnley and they know the lad who conducted the "medical".

[GodIsADeeJay81]

if it was 99% of us wouldn't tick most of the required boxes !!

I wouldn't bother turning up, so few would be ticked for me it would be a waste of time

[Vegas Claret]

I wouldn't bother turning up, so few would be ticked for me it would be a waste of time

same !

[Spiral]

Has someone really suggested that a medical is box ticking?

I was precise in my use of the term 'of sorts.' You can be suffering from a hamstring tweak and pass a medical. You can have broken bones and pass a medical. Medicals check for things like long term illness, heart health, flexibility, ascertaining injury history (I believe). It's a required formality in the sense that the data that is gained from a medical is fed to the sports science team to tailor the athlete's training regime and workload. You can conduct a medical around an injury, and if the medical staff see a path to recovery, the medical will be passed. It's rare that professional is so crocked that a club believes they can't get their fitness to the required standard.

[ClaretTony]

I was precise in my use of the term 'of sorts.' You can be suffering from a hamstring tweak and pass a medical. You can have broken bones and pass a medical. Medicals check for things like long term illness, heart health, flexibility, ascertaining injury history (I believe). It's a required formality in the sense that the data that is gained from a medical is fed to the sports science team to tailor the athlete's training regime and workload. You can conduct a medical around an injury, and if the medical staff see a path to recovery, the medical will be passed. It's rare that professional is so crocked that a club believes they can't get their fitness to the required standard.

Sorry but it’s not box ticking and they take hours.

[thehistorylecturer62]

I was precise in my use of the term 'of sorts.' You can be suffering from a hamstring tweak and pass a medical. You can have broken bones and pass a medical. Medicals check for things like long term illness, heart health, flexibility, ascertaining injury history (I believe). It's a required formality in the sense that the data that is gained from a medical is fed to the sports science team to tailor the athlete's training regime and workload. You can conduct a medical around an injury, and if the medical staff see a path to recovery, the medical will be passed. It's rare that professional is so crocked that a club believes they can't get their fitness to the required standard.

Indeed and none of the above equates to any sort of box ticking it does rather more require something far removed from box ticking involving specialists ..medical history reports .. trips to see relevant surgeons and so on .. and so on and depending who the staff are talking to it can take a long time accumulating such information in addition to completing a ‘standard ‘ medical.

[Spiral]

I know they take hours. What part of 'of sorts' did you misunderstand? I'll be very surprised if a 19yo fails a medical. You mention John Walters. If John fkin Walters at the age of 150 years-old can pass a medical, anyone can.

[quoonbeatz]

To be fair some medicals are conducted like a box ticking exercise. I'll give you an example, Anthony Knockeart last year at Hudds. Signed for them and had a broken foot.

I know some physios that work at Burnley and they know the lad who conducted the "medical".

That's not really what the medical is about.

[boyyanno]

That's not really what the medical is about.

Of course it is

The medical is designed to assess the risk a player may carry. In the instance I refer to above the physio who conducted the medical thought (and took Knockearts word) on the fact that his foot wasn't broken and just badly bruised.

What I'm saying is not in every circumstance is the medical as thorough as people are making out here. But you don't have to take my word for it, Paddy Kenny was pretty open recently about how he was signed off without doing naff all on occasion.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I know they take hours. What part of 'of sorts' did you misunderstand? I'll be very surprised if a 19yo fails a medical. You mention John Walters. If John fkin Walters at the age of 150 years-old can pass a medical, anyone can.

A medical can spot heart conditions, like the one that ended Aguero’s career when he was at Barca.
Even back in 96, Kanu was found to have a heart defect that was operated on

[dsr]

I would think a medical would be used for insurance purposes as well. If a medical gives a clean bill of health, a player can be insured against serious injury; if not, the club can perhaps decide whether they want to take the risk.

Different sport, but when Green Bay wanted to sign Brett Favre, he failed his medical but they signed him anyway. (And then he played more consecutive games than any man in American Football history. Mainly because he didn't see torn ligaments and broken thumbs as injuries.)

[warksclaret]

Oh dear-10 pages of the merits and degree of detail on a medical coming up. Lets trust what CT tells us and move on to the topic

[Wokingclaret]

Medical

Gone are the days of Joe Gallagher running up the Bob Lord steps, look where that got us

Always check your car when you pick it up for the first time, no point finding a big dent on the other side when you get it homw

Would imagine the medical details will be used in insuring the player too

[Pearcey]

Imagine spending £15m on a player and then just penning up the medical!

I remember watching the video on Walters medical as well and it looked pretty intense.

[Spiral]

A medical can spot heart conditions, like the one that ended Aguero’s career when he was at Barca.
Even back in 96, Kanu was found to have a heart defect that was operated on

Thanks for educating me on something I already mentioned myself about forty minutes ago.

I swear to god people don't actually read posts.

All this to say, I'm doubtful of the medical rumour, and I believe the reported breakdown over the buy clause (on the player's end, if I had to speculate) to be the more viable reason for the deal collapsing.

[Spiral]

By the way, Coulibaly had an ACL tear when he did his medical with Dortmund, but Dortmund passed him because they judged it recoverable. He struggled for game time mainly because of the ferocity of the competition in defence in a team that pushed Bayern all the way last season, not because he's a crock.

[Tricky Trevor]

I swear to god people don't actually read posts.

Spot on. There is so much boring shite on this thread but some of us are interested in players.
I think I’ll just check in on the club site in future.

[thehistorylecturer62]

I know they take hours. What part of 'of sorts' did you misunderstand? I'll be very surprised if a 19yo fails a medical. You mention John Walters. If John fkin Walters at the age of 150 years-old can pass a medical, anyone can.

I assume you’re relying to someone else there as I never mentioned an individual player.

[boatshed bill]

To be fair some medicals are conducted like a box ticking exercise. I'll give you an example, Anthony Knockeart last year at Hudds. Signed for them and had a broken foot.

I know some physios that work at Burnley and they know the lad who conducted the "medical".

Generally you'd notice a broken foot even without medical knowledge, the plaster cast boot is a bit of a give-away

[Steddyman]

By the way, Coulibaly had an ACL tear when he did his medical with Dortmund, but Dortmund passed him because they judged it recoverable. He struggled for game time mainly because of the ferocity of the competition in defence in a team that pushed Bayern all the way last season, not because he's a crock.

Interesting. Do you have any evidence for this?

It's good to know we have caught this before signing him.

[Spiral]

Interesting. Do you have any evidence for this?

It's good to know we have caught this before signing him.

Articles online. Just do a bit of digging on google, you'll find it. You may be misinterpreting what I'm saying here. I've not said we've caught anything in the medical, I'm not speculating on that. That's complete hearsay from others on here. I trust a reliably in-the-know journalist like Romano more than the gossip and rumour of people on here who like to believe they are ITK. Maybe Romano is being fed bullshit by all parties who wish to protect themselves and proceed more ethically in the fallout of a medical fail, who knows, but cold feet over a buy clause that was eyebrow-raising from the outset seems to me more realistic that any rumour and speculation on the lad's medical.

[Spiral]

I assume you’re relying to someone else there as I never mentioned an individual player.

ClaretTony. Sorry, should have quoted him.

[Rileybobs]

Except for the supposed Trafford transfer fee, it all feels a bit too familiar with how we handled transfers under the previous regime.
It seems like we identify players, put in repeated low-ball bids, and ultimately get nowhere. Cases in point being Jack Clarke, Nathan Tella and the Georgian forward whose surname I can’t spell.
On one one hand I am happy that we are being prudent to avoid getting our pants pulled down so to speak, but I’m not sure what’s the point in bidding, for example £12 million, when the selling club are asking £15-20 million?! If media reports are right, we seemed to have submitted several bids for a few players with our 3rd offer still way short of the asking price……….just do the deal or move on, because finding gems for £5 million quid who are premier league ready are few and far between.

Maybe people will now just realise that this is the situation we are in being the small fish in the big Premier League pond. It’s a totally different scenario than last season and maybe those using our ‘new approach’ as a stick to beat the previous successful regime will think again.

It’s amusing how Andros Townsend training with us and deals collapsing at the final hurdle are treated differently than they would have been before. Also this long
list of 50/60 players being a groundbreaking system is funny, do people really not think we’ve always had a list of potential transfer targets?

[It Is What It Is]

4 weeks tomorrow we start our Premier League campaign.
I don't think there has been an awful lot of transfer activity up to now with other EPL clubs either.
Seems like a slow game of chess really and it must be proving quite difficult to get players signed and over the line.
Need signings confirmed by end of next week to get up to speed cos at the moment imo our squad is going to be cannon fodder.
Not blaming VK or the Board, they are trying 24/7 but the pieces aren't quite coming together.

[RVclaret]

Maybe people will now just realise that this is the situation we are in being the small fish in the big Premier League pond. It’s a totally different scenario than last season and maybe those using our ‘new approach’ as a stick to beat the previous successful regime will think again.

It’s amusing how Andros Townsend training with us and deals collapsing at the final hurdle are treated differently than they would have been before. Also this long
list of 50/60 players being a groundbreaking system is funny, do people really not think we’ve always had a list of potential transfer targets?

- people agree we lack PL exp right now hence Townsend training has been received okay in general, not really a comparison to previously when Townsend would have added to an already old average age of the squad
- deals collapsing at the final hurdle happened last season (Ballard) and we went and signed someone else a week later, I guess there’s an expectation/trust after seeing that, previously would there have been a back up ready?
- it never ‘seemed’ like we had a long list of potential transfer targets in the past, not 60 anyway (also I think the 60 being referred to here is actual active conversations/deals over last summer, we signed 15 out of that 60). Transfer links usually make their way out there these days and historically it seemed like we didn’t do much until the final week of the window and there was a relatively ‘refined’/smaller pool of targets

[Spiral]

To be fair even in the PL under this regime we have a good track record. Weghorst looked a good signing after we lost Wood, it felt at times like Cornet was the one keeping us from being relegated by April, Collins was a fantastic bit of business. Then there's the Trafford deal (assuming it goes through.) No way were we paying £15m for a GK before. Youth-buys were previously more sparse (or balanced, I suppose it's a matter of interpretation). We're getting close to the season starting, no doubt, and yes, still a small fish in a big pond, but in every way we're conducting our transfer business better under Pace than under Garlick. It's higher risk because we're willing to pay to get deals over the line, but our scouting has been so good that we can leverage that risk against the 'capital' in this squad.

[Pearcey]

Spot on. There is so much boring shite on this thread but some of us are interested in players.
I think I’ll just check in on the club site in future.

Are naff puns acceptable? Asking for a friend.

[kenyon6923]

4 weeks tomorrow we start our Premier League campaign.
I don't think there has been an awful lot of transfer activity up to now with other EPL clubs either.
Seems like a slow game of chess really and it must be proving quite difficult to get players signed and over the line.
Need signings confirmed by end of next week to get up to speed cos at the moment imo our squad is going to be cannon fodder.
Not blaming VK or the Board, they are trying 24/7 but the pieces aren't quite coming together.

It's only because agents know full well his client can get more money and themselves more money by waiting until deadline week. There will be so many clubs that will "have a bad start" or lose their first 2 matches and like every window but particularly the summer one panic sets in and panic buying begins.

[Spiral]

It can calm the nerves to remember that the season had already begun by the time we signed Tella, and he tore it up pretty much from the minute he got here without doing a single minute of pre-season with us.

[Carwin261]

Apart from the top 6 ,& us ,the rest of the Premier League have signed 21 players between them ,and that includes the likes of Milner on a free ,Chris Woods already at Forest ,and a few other transfers in from lower league clubs.’ Don’t panic Mr Mainwaring”

[Rileybobs]

To be fair even in the PL under this regime we have a good track record. Weghorst looked a good signing after we lost Wood, it felt at times like Cornet was the one keeping us from being relegated by April, Collins was a fantastic bit of business. Then there's the Trafford deal (assuming it goes through.) No way were we paying £15m for a GK before. Youth-buys were previously more sparse (or balanced, I suppose it's a matter of interpretation). We're getting close to the season starting, no doubt, and yes, still a small fish in a big pond, but in every way we're conducting our transfer business better under Pace than under Garlick. It's higher risk because we're willing to pay to get deals over the line, but our scouting has been so good that we can leverage that risk against the 'capital' in this squad.

The signings to date have been more exciting under the current owners although fair to point out that it was made a lot easier due to being in the Championship. And I’m certainly looking forward to next season more than I would have been had we been under the previous regime with Dyche in charge.

But I’m just pointing out that the challenges we previously faced at this level still remain - and attempts by some to denigrate the previous and very successful regime seem a bit desperate. Comments such as, ‘at least we know we won’t be signing Dale Stephens’, whilst failing to an acknowledge all of the good players we signed, and importantly retained, come across as foolish to me.

Anyway, I’m not concerned about this transfer window. I never am. Plenty of time left and we’ll sign what we need - it may just not be as early as some would like or expect.

[Rileybobs]

Apart from the top 6 ,& us ,the rest of the Premier League have signed 21 players between them ,and that includes the likes of Milner on a free ,Chris Woods already at Forest ,and a few other transfers in from lower league clubs.’ Don’t panic Mr Mainwaring”

That’s true, and bear my above contribution in mind, but it’s fair to say we have more business to do than most having been promoted and lost a number of our important players who were on loan.

[Rileybobs]

Apart from the top 6 ,& us ,the rest of the Premier League have signed 21 players between them ,and that includes the likes of Milner on a free ,Chris Woods already at Forest ,and a few other transfers in from lower league clubs.’ Don’t panic Mr Mainwaring”

That’s true, and bear my above contribution in mind, but it’s fair to say we have more business to do than most having been promoted and lost a number of our important players who were on loan.

[northeastclaret]

I think what’s happened with incoming transfers, is that because we have done so well in the preseason friendliest to date , and without some of our international players I may add, there is no rush to bring new signings in. I expect will start to sign players again near the end of the window dependent on whether we have had a good start to the premier league or not

[Elizabeth]

Maybe people will now just realise that this is the situation we are in being the small fish in the big Premier League pond. It’s a totally different scenario than last season and maybe those using our ‘new approach’ as a stick to beat the previous successful regime will think again.

It’s amusing how Andros Townsend training with us and deals collapsing at the final hurdle are treated differently than they would have been before. Also this long
list of 50/60 players being a groundbreaking system is funny, do people really not think we’ve always had a list of potential transfer targets?

Yes , a reality check for many.

It’ll work out

[randomclaret2]

I think what’s happened with incoming transfers, is that because we have done so well in the preseason friendliest to date , and without some of our international players I may add, there is no rush to bring new signings in. I expect will start to sign players again near the end of the window dependent on whether we have had a good start to the premier league or not

Presumably you are kidding

[Spiral]

But I’m just pointing out that the challenges we previously faced at this level still remain - and attempts by some to denigrate the previous and very successful regime seem a bit desperate. Comments such as, ‘at least we know we won’t be signing Dale Stephens’, whilst failing to an acknowledge all of the good players we signed, and importantly retained, come across as foolish to me.

Aye, I get what you mean. At what point does fair criticism become denigration? An observation a cheap jab? I think Pace is more willing to manage the finances more slickly than Garlick was, but that's not to flame on Garlick. ALK would sooner refinance debt than pay it off: more risk, greater reward. Just different football-business philosophy. The previous board valued balance sheet health above all else and didn't take many risks, and all that is fair enough, especially after the trauma of the ITV Digital collapse and the years that followed.

[ClaretAL]

Aye, I get what you mean. At what point does fair criticism become denigration? An observation a cheap jab? I think Pace is more willing to manage the finances more slickly than Garlick was, but that's not to flame on Garlick. ALK would sooner refinance debt than pay it off: more risk, greater reward. Just different football-business philosophy. The previous board valued balance sheet health above all else and didn't take many risks, and all that is fair enough, especially after the trauma of the ITV Digital collapse and the years that followed.

Not to mention get that money not spent in the transfer windows when needed, straight back in their own pockets when they sold the club… but that’s for another thread.

[Carwin261]

That’s true, and bear my above contribution in mind, but it’s fair to say we have more business to do than most having been promoted and lost a number of our important players who were on loan.

Having said that ,I think we’ve now ample cover at Centre Back,,but really need to replace ,or get back Maatsen,Tella ,and replace Barnes,you never know if Churlinov makes a speedy recover he may stay at the Turf ,and fulfill is potential.