Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[gandhisflipflop]

Where do you see him playing?

Cam, behind amdouni

[Down_Rover]

Recall him from where?He isnt on loan is he?

From Coventry. He is contracted to us until 2026

[LoveCurryPies]

Another imminent announcement?

[Colburn_Claret]

I’m thinking Amdouni will play as the deep lying striker tbh, although it does sound like he’s versatile. Not sure we sign all of Lokonga, Vranckx and Flemming. Think 2 more midfield profiles max. Can’t see Cork being overly involved if at all this season. So with all that, Twine will still be in and around the first team I reckon.

Amdouni looks a similar type of player to Danny Ings in his prime.
Low centre of gravity, quick over 5 yards, and likes to pick up goals in the area.

Where he got CAM from I don't know.

[RicardoMontalban]

From Coventry. He is contracted to us until 2026

He’s not currently at Coventry.

[Targetman]

From Coventry. He is contracted to us until 2026

He returned to us when the season ended didn't he?

[Newcastleclaret93]

on the pitch

That narrows it down then.

I can’t see VK dropping anyone for him to get any regular game time

[Newcastleclaret93]

Amdouni looks a similar type of player to Danny Ings in his prime.
Low centre of gravity, quick over 5 yards, and likes to pick up goals in the area.

Where he got CAM from I don't know.

He’s played over half his games in his career at CAM.

Plus the commentary on the lad suggests he’s actually better collecting the ball from deep.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Cam, behind amdouni

I suspect that’s where Amdouni will play

[Elizabeth]

The way the rumours are going in terms of incomings, I would be amazed if Twine is still here come the end of the window.

With the signing of Amdouni, links to Lokonga, Flemming, Vrankx,

Then the likes of Gudmundsson and Brownhill still in the squad. I just can’t see where Twine fits at all.

CDM - Cork, Cullen, Lokonga, Vrankx, (potentially Brownhill).

CAM - Amdouni, Gudmundsson, Brownhill, Flemming

Where do you see him playing if he stays?

It’s a good question and for me there are several factors that need taking into consideration both from your response and my own thoughts.

Looking at the players you have listed I’m going to discount the 3 players that don’t play for the club. I would be surprised if any of them will be signed. Would be pleasantly surprised if Flemming did , but are we not supposedly on our 4th media driven bid ????

That may change of course but even if it does I think Kompany will start mainly with the players from last season thereby giving Twine an early opportunity to shine. I’m confident if that is the case that Twine’s key qualities of deadly dead ball accuracy , making good early runs through defences and deadly finishing will stand out. Kompany has praised this new Swiss player for his hard work and assists so there is potentially a link up to Twine that currently isn’t there with the likes of, for example , Cullen and Brownhill.

Again back to your list, I would say Gudmundsson and Cork will be used sparingly this season and some way behind Twine when match day squads are chosen .

Goals will be difficult to come by in the Premier League and without trying to pretend I know how Kompany will think , I’m banking on his experience of defending in the Premier League leading to him knowing the importance of Twine’s qualities in unlocking tight defences.

Finally Twine’s has now had a full season with the club , they know each other and I cannot see the sense in unsettling the player who must want a crack at the highest level.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s a good question and for me there are several factors that need taking into consideration both from your response and my own thoughts.

Looking at the players you have listed I’m going to discount the 3 players that don’t play for the club. I would be surprised if any of them will be signed. Would be pleasantly surprised if Flemming did , but are we not supposedly on our 4th media driven bid ????

That may change of course but even if it does I think Kompany will start mainly with the players from last season thereby giving Twine an early opportunity to shine. I’m confident if that is the case that Twine’s key qualities of deadly dead ball accuracy , making good early runs through defences and deadly finishing will stand out. Kompany has praised this new Swiss player for his hard work and assists so there is potentially a link up to Twine that currently isn’t there with the likes of, for example , Cullen and Brownhill.

Again back to your list, I would say Gudmundsson and Cork will be used sparingly this season and some way behind Twine when match day squads are chosen .

Goals will be difficult to come by in the Premier League and without trying to pretend I know how Kompany will think , I’m banking on his experience of defending in the Premier League leading to him knowing the importance of Twine’s qualities in unlocking tight defences.

Finally Twine’s has now had a full season with the club , they know each other and I cannot see the sense in unsettling the player who must want a crack at the highest level.

All very fair points, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying.

I am off the opinion that at his age he needs to be playing week in week out somewhere. I am just not sure he gets that with us.

[Elizabeth]

His goals from free kicks only happen if he's on the pitch

Then let’s get him on the pitch

[bumba]

Just can't see him getting much game time to be honest, his free kicks looked deadly but went missing in large parts and generally struggled last season I thought.
The belief he is more suited to the premier league is strange, do players really get more time on the ball? I don't believe they do it's just not as physical but you have to be quicker, think quicker, make decisions quicker, release the ball quicker.
It's a massive step up for Twine

[Elizabeth]

Just can't see him getting much game time to be honest, his free kicks looked deadly but went missing in large parts and generally struggled last season I thought.
The belief he is more suited to the premier league is strange, do players really get more time on the ball? I don't believe they do it's just not as physical but you have to be quicker, think quicker, make decisions quicker, release the ball quicker.
It's a massive step up for Twine

Twine thinks very quickly and moves just as fast. I think it’s not a question of Twine , it’s a question of who is going to think quick enough to spot his runs and thread the balls for him to run on to .

Fingers crossed he has an injury free season unlike last season when after an exciting start injury disrupted a large part of his season

[NewClaret]

Isn’t there an option for another year? Sure I read that somewhere.

Not according to transfermarkt.

Although that must be wrong for it to even be a consideration.

[bumba]

Twine thinks very quickly and moves just as fast. I think it’s not a question of Twine , it’s a question of who is going to think quick enough to spot his runs and thread the balls for him to run on to .

Fingers crossed he has an injury free season unlike last season when after an exciting start injury disrupted a large part of his season

Why didn't he make any of these runs last season?

[Elizabeth]

Why didn't he make any of these runs last season?

Because with the best respect to them Cullen , Brownhill, Cork , Gudmundsson are not the quickest thinkers when it comes to offensive balls that can hurt defences.
I’m not going to use Twine’s lack of game time due to injury as a reason because the service was simply not there . I see Twine as a finisher more than a creator. I saw him attempt to make runs but have to holdback

[Tricky Trevor]

How does Maatsens contract sit?
If he only has 1 year remaining I can’t see Chelsea loaning him out and he then leaves for free. I don’t think he’ll make their first team therefore unless another club comes in sit on our hands until his price comes down to a realistic level.

[claretburns]

How does Maatsens contract sit?
If he only has 1 year remaining I can’t see Chelsea loaning him out and he then leaves for free. I don’t think he’ll make their first team therefore unless another club comes in sit on our hands until his price comes down to a realistic level.

Reported it is 1 year left but Chelsea have the option for a further year.

Could loan him for a year to a top tier club in Europe, as us, Benfica and Wolfsburg all linked, see how he handles himself, extend the contract and then either let him return to Chelsea or cash in for him next summer when his value could have increased.

[bumba]

Because with the best respect to them Cullen , Brownhill, Cork , Gudmundsson are not the quickest thinkers when it comes to offensive balls that can hurt defences.
I’m not going to use Twine’s lack of game time due to injury as a reason because the service was simply not there . I see Twine as a finisher more than a creator. I saw him attempt to make runs but have to holdback

Hang on so the team with over 100 points and the top scorers in the league haven't got any midfielders who can spot a run?
Benson, Zaroury, Rodriguez included?
We must of scored a hell of a lot of worldies if we can't spot a run.
JBG is one of the most intelligent players we have for spotting a pass he changed games when he came on a few times last season.
Twines problem would of been not making the runs, how do you know he held back if he didn't make the run?
How many goals did Tella get from making clever runs.....
Yet Twine they couldn't play the same pass?

[Elizabeth]

Hang on so the team with over 100 points and the top scorers in the league haven't got any midfielders who can spot a run?
Benson, Zaroury, Rodriguez included?
We must of scored a hell of a lot of worldies if we can't spot a run.
JBG is one of the most intelligent players we have for spotting a pass he changed games when he came on a few times last season.
Twines problem would of been not making the runs, how do you know he held back if he didn't make the run?
How many goals did Tella get from making clever runs.....
Yet Twine they couldn't play the same pass?

From the positions Zaroury and Benson operate in i don’t see them as providers for the sort of ball Twine needs. I doubt Jay and Twine were on the same team much and anyway I don’t see Jay as that kind of provider of through balls. He’s mainly a finisher and hold up player for others.
Gudmundsson is of course intelligent but his play is more conservative nowadays although he can come up with a good ball.
Twine needs to have someone in the team whose strength is to thread balls through and that cannot be said of any of the players you’ve mention. Someone of the likes of Defour would be ideal but whether we get that with the Swiss player I don’t know .
Have you never seen a player start to make runs but the ball never comes ?
Tella I don’t know, I’d have to watch his goals again to see where they came from. Are Twine and Tella the same player, I don’t see it.

[burnley007]

When will the next announcement be?
Tomorrow?

[Cap]

https://twitter.com/Jayoconnor8/status/ ... uD-eg&s=19
Jay O'Connor seems to think Matt Dougherty has turned us down to go back to Wolves

[bumba]

From the positions Zaroury and Benson operate in i don’t see them as providers for the sort of ball Twine needs. I doubt Jay and Twine were on the same team much and anyway I don’t see Jay as that kind of provider of through balls. He’s mainly a finisher and hold up player for others.
Gudmundsson is of course intelligent but his play is more conservative nowadays although he can come up with a good ball.
Twine needs to have someone in the team whose strength is to thread balls through and that cannot be said of any of the players you’ve mention. Someone of the likes of Defour would be ideal but whether we get that with the Swiss player I don’t know .
Have you never seen a player start to make runs but the ball never comes ?
Tella I don’t know, I’d have to watch his goals again to see where they came from. Are Twine and Tella the same player, I don’t see it.

No there not the same player because Tella made the clever runs, received the ball and.scored the goals.
Your arguement is that Twine made the runs but we don't have any midfielders, wingers or strikers that can spot that pass despite finishing top scorers and scoring lots of goals from clever runs and through balls.
Not saying Twine won't come good but your arguement that it was everybody else's fault but his is strange.

[Rick_Muller]

https://twitter.com/Jayoconnor8/status/ ... uD-eg&s=19
Jay O'Connor seems to think Matt Dougherty has turned us down to go back to Wolves

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[claretonthecoast1882]

https://twitter.com/Jayoconnor8/status/ ... uD-eg&s=19
Jay O'Connor seems to think Matt Dougherty has turned us down to go back to Wolves

He might be getting Burnley & Barnsley mixed up

[jlup1980]

No there not the same player because Tella made the clever runs, received the ball and.scored the goals.
Your arguement is that Twine made the runs but we don't have any midfielders, wingers or strikers that can spot that pass despite finishing top scorers and scoring lots of goals from clever runs and through balls.
Not saying Twine won't come good but your arguement that it was everybody else's fault but his is strange.

This is bang on. Twine didn't do enough to hold down a place in the team last season. The passing ability of Cullen and JBG from CM is about as good as anyone had in the Championship. JBG in particular was absolutely terrific in the middle of the pitch. He gave us an added dimension. Twine does make good runs and was found on a number of occasions. The less said about his finishing versus Cardiff the better. That's the difference between him and Tella, Zaroury, Benson etc... Twine is well down the pecking order for a reason. The PL is more difficult and quicker in every element and physically I don't think Twine will be capable this season. Personally, and this may seem harsh, I'd be offering him as part of a deal for Hamer.

[Elizabeth]

No there not the same player because Tella made the clever runs, received the ball and.scored the goals.
Your arguement is that Twine made the runs but we don't have any midfielders, wingers or strikers that can spot that pass despite finishing top scorers and scoring lots of goals from clever runs and through balls.
Not saying Twine won't come good but your arguement that it was everybody else's fault but his is strange.

Clearly strange to you and I’m not looking to find fault in any Burnley player because they all played to the best of their ability and it was clearly more than good enough last season.
I have made the point that I think we are short of that creative player who can regularly pick out a player like Twine. You clearly want him to come good , I think he is already good.

[Colburn_Claret]

How does Maatsens contract sit?
If he only has 1 year remaining I can’t see Chelsea loaning him out and he then leaves for free. I don’t think he’ll make their first team therefore unless another club comes in sit on our hands until his price comes down to a realistic level.

The only other option Chelsea have is to offer him another contract. Which is possible but I'd expect they'd want to see more of him.
Maybe keep him, and make their decision in the January window. That wouldn't suit either Maatsen or us.

[agreenwood]

I might be misreading this, but we do seem to have developed a clear strategy of identifying multiple acceptable targets and making it clear that we won’t be held to ransom, moving on quickly when it appears we’re into a bidding war or stand off. It looks like that was the case was Verbruggen and Mikautadze.

Clearly it’s up to the selling club whether to accept what we offer, but it’s something the likes of Coventry need to note when they are being offered players they want plus cash for a player in the last year of his contract.

We don’t appear to be hanging around.

[ClaretTony]

I might be misreading this, but we do seem to have developed a clear strategy of identifying multiple acceptable targets and making it clear that we won’t be held to ransom, moving on quickly when it appears we’re into a bidding war or stand off. It looks like that was the case was Verbruggen and Mikautadze.

Clearly it’s up to the selling club whether to accept what we offer, but it’s something the likes of Coventry need to note when they are being offered players they want plus cash for a player in the last year of his contract.

We don’t appear to be hanging around.

I think that’s exactly how we operate. Verbruggen I understand is very much the case in that we pulled out rather than Brighton beating us to him.

[gandhisflipflop]

I might be misreading this, but we do seem to have developed a clear strategy of identifying multiple acceptable targets and making it clear that we won’t be held to ransom, moving on quickly when it appears we’re into a bidding war or stand off. It looks like that was the case was Verbruggen and Mikautadze.

Clearly it’s up to the selling club whether to accept what we offer, but it’s something the likes of Coventry need to note when they are being offered players they want plus cash for a player in the last year of his contract.

We don’t appear to be hanging around.

It’s a great policy to have. Under the old regime we would be hanging our hopes on Hamer with lowball offers and taken for a ride only for the player to sign a new deal.

[Swizzlestick]

I might be misreading this, but we do seem to have developed a clear strategy of identifying multiple acceptable targets and making it clear that we won’t be held to ransom, moving on quickly when it appears we’re into a bidding war or stand off. It looks like that was the case was Verbruggen and Mikautadze.

Clearly it’s up to the selling club whether to accept what we offer, but it’s something the likes of Coventry need to note when they are being offered players they want plus cash for a player in the last year of his contract.

We don’t appear to be hanging around.

Does appear to be the case, a refreshing approach.

[KateR]

same with the Swiss boy heard loads of other names for weeks & weeks then he just pops up & hes signed

I like how they work the potentials then names pop up & I go looking to find out who where why I think Redman will be the only one I heard of in 12 months!!

[ClaretTony]

Doherty is a good professional and a solid player. He did not fit in at Spurs due to constant switches in management and playing style. I think Kompany could do well with him.

Apparently he’s turned us down to go back to Wolves

[Down_Rover]

He returned to us when the season ended didn't he?

As I said contracted until 2026. So we could sell to anyone other than Coventry

[colne-claret]

When will the next announcement be?
Tomorrow?

With 9am announcement for Zeki, I’m going to say today.

[Down_Rover]

He returned to us when the season ended didn't he?

As I said contracted until 2026. So we could sell to anyone other than Coventry

[RVclaret]

I might be misreading this, but we do seem to have developed a clear strategy of identifying multiple acceptable targets and making it clear that we won’t be held to ransom, moving on quickly when it appears we’re into a bidding war or stand off. It looks like that was the case was Verbruggen and Mikautadze.

Clearly it’s up to the selling club whether to accept what we offer, but it’s something the likes of Coventry need to note when they are being offered players they want plus cash for a player in the last year of his contract.

We don’t appear to be hanging around.

Completely agree.

[CoolClaret]

Because with the best respect to them Cullen , Brownhill, Cork , Gudmundsson are not the quickest thinkers when it comes to offensive balls that can hurt defences.
I’m not going to use Twine’s lack of game time due to injury as a reason because the service was simply not there . I see Twine as a finisher more than a creator. I saw him attempt to make runs but have to holdback

Utter tripe.

You should see some of the one touch passes Cullen, Brownhill and Guddy were playing last season

[mybloodisclaret]

I might be misreading this, but we do seem to have developed a clear strategy of identifying multiple acceptable targets and making it clear that we won’t be held to ransom, moving on quickly when it appears we’re into a bidding war or stand off. It looks like that was the case was Verbruggen and Mikautadze.

Clearly it’s up to the selling club whether to accept what we offer, but it’s something the likes of Coventry need to note when they are being offered players they want plus cash for a player in the last year of his contract.

We don’t appear to be hanging around.

I have said this before. Pace learnt very quickly from his first window when we were somewhat messed about. Orsic springs to mind. He even flew to Croatia to convince him. Now the approach is many targets, if the player or club mess us about we say farewell on move on. Great business model. Good application of the experiential learning cycle. Makes us far more efficient in the transfer window.

[Elizabeth]

Utter tripe.

You should see some of the one touch passes Cullen, Brownhill and Guddy were playing last season

Each to their own. I don’t see any of the players you mention as capable of regularly supplying the passes I think Twine needs.

You see I can make a point without using emotive words

[CoolClaret]

Does appear to be the case, a refreshing approach.

Very refreshing -

I can’t for the life of me understand the valuations and attitude that teams in the championship have on their o players - then the fans wonder why they sign nobody and end up with a disappointing finish?

If we clung onto insane valuations last season for our players we simply do not go up - some people were upset about Pope going for 10 but given the context of who replaced him with then it’s an absolute no brainer.

If Cov would have sold O’Hare early last season (ok they didn’t know he’d get a bad hammy injury) they could’ve potentially signed another 2-3 players that would have really contributed to their promotion push and maybe even got them over the line - upgrading some of the positions where they lacked quality for example.

I keep going on about it but the prime example for this is Blackburn Rovers… They barely used Gallagher this year and going back a year or two they could’ve gotten the best pasty of 35 million for Diaz and Gallagher… Diaz walked for nothing and Gally will do the same - utterly stupid

[Culmclaret]

As I said contracted until 2026. So we could sell to anyone other than Coventry

Yep. Suspect they are like Forest and West Brom in the past. Definite no to McNally going there if they want silly money for Hamer.

[clarethomer]

Very refreshing -

I can’t for the life of me understand the valuations and attitude that teams in the championship have on their o players - then the fans wonder why they sign nobody and end up with a disappointing finish?

If we clung onto insane valuations last season for our players we simply do not go up - some people were upset about Pope going for 10 but given the context of who replaced him with then it’s an absolute no brainer.

If Cov would have sold O’Hare early last season (ok they didn’t know he’d get a bad hammy injury) they could’ve potentially signed another 2-3 players that would have really contributed to their promotion push and maybe even got them over the line - upgrading some of the positions where they lacked quality for example.

I keep going on about it but the prime example for this is Blackburn Rovers… They barely used Gallagher this year and going back a year or two they could’ve gotten the best pasty of 35 million for Diaz and Gallagher… Diaz walked for nothing and Gally will do the same - utterly stupid

It's clearly not as easy as it seems with hindsight.

How many players have we let run down their contract on the basis that the manager/club felt it was the better option?

I have always held a belief that you need to extend or sell rather than let run down.

However if an owner isn't going to re-invest and build your squad in the right way with the proceeds, but expect you to buy cheaper and you lose quality as a result - I can see why letting contracts run down kicks the problem down the road for a bit. Better the devil you know etc.

[CoolClaret]

It's clearly not as easy as it seems with hindsight.

How many players have we let run down their contract on the basis that the manager/club felt it was the better option?

I have always held a belief that you need to extend or sell rather than let run down.

However if an owner isn't going to re-invest and build your squad in the right way with the proceeds, but expect you to buy cheaper and you lose quality as a result - I can see why letting contracts run down kicks the problem down the road for a bit. Better the devil you know etc.

Context matters - it’s different in the PL where a player can be the difference between survival and relegation because the income difference between staying up and going down is way bigger than the sale of a player.

My point was more in regard to championship clubs that struggle to get players in (in part due to lower revenue streams) and hold on to players with daft valuations. Happens far too often

[clarethomer]

Context matters - it’s different in the PL where a player can be the difference between survival and relegation because the income difference between staying up and going down is way bigger than the sale of a player.

My point was more in regard to championship clubs that struggle to get players in (in part due to lower revenue streams) and hold on to players with daft valuations. Happens far too often

It does matter and I think that is why that happened - We are not going to flog Tarks if we know that we are going to end up with not being able to replace them for someone of equal ability if not better. The PL money is too much for a club and its risk mitigation as you say.

But in the championship it's kind of the same context and risk mitigation.

Does a club that has some highly prized assets sell whilst the price is high, or hold on on the basis that they think it helps them reach the PL? Or do they sell knowing that they are overvalued and risk missing out because the players that follow on are just not there to replace? Gamble on promotion, that if lost is that your prized asset may never be realised?

There are no guarantees with any player and that is why very few clubs can player trade successfully in that sense. It's going to be interesting to see how we can navigate this if we are successful again for a number of years in the PL with VK.

[CoolClaret]

It does matter and I think that is why that happened - We are not going to flog Tarks if we know that we are going to end up with not being able to replace them for someone of equal ability if not better. The PL money is too much for a club and its risk mitigation as you say.

Just to add btw - I think holding on to Tarks and co was a little bit of our downfall. There’s always players out there that can come in.

Yes he was brilliant for us but if you’re getting a daft offer way over market value you should probably consider it…

It’s different for a Ben Mee at the end of his tenure or like a Chaz now - we weren’t ever going to get much for them and it’s creating an unnecessary hole.

My main point is putting all your hopes on one player to the point where you wouldn’t sell them for a good offer is just a bit daft - unless they are one of the absolute best in the world or whatever.

[RVclaret]

West Ham keen on Maatsen

[Pickles]

I might be misreading this, but we do seem to have developed a clear strategy of identifying multiple acceptable targets and making it clear that we won’t be held to ransom, moving on quickly when it appears we’re into a bidding war or stand off. It looks like that was the case was Verbruggen and Mikautadze.

Clearly it’s up to the selling club whether to accept what we offer, but it’s something the likes of Coventry need to note when they are being offered players they want plus cash for a player in the last year of his contract.

We don’t appear to be hanging around.

Compare it to how we were under Dyche and Garlick. Dragging out a pondering chase of one player for three months until deadline day and then nothing happening. It's chalk and cheese.