Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[claretspice]

Think I’m the only one not seeing the Tella obsession.

17 league goals last season was it? Hat trick at hull take that off and it’s 14. That’s not like, amazing is it? Pretty average return for the side finishing 1st. In addition he was never fancied in the prem by Saints either.

Good in the championship as he is faster than everyone but in the prem most defenders are as quick as him and definitely stronger.

I feel it’s a mostly emotive argument based on our love for him, when there may well be better options out there more suited to the Prem.

Just some balance!

I mean yes, if you remove the goals he scored from his statistics, they don't look as good.

Tella did really, really well for us and particularly after Christmas looked exceptional at Championship level. There's always a question about whether he can translate his game, but if you are exceptionally quick (he is) and are a very good finisher (he is) you've always got a chance. It's a question of the fee being proportionate to the level of risk he represents.

[Pickles]

Think I’m the only one not seeing the Tella obsession.

17 league goals last season was it? Hat trick at hull take that off and it’s 14. That’s not like, amazing is it? Pretty average return for the side finishing 1st.

Eh? Do hat tricks not exist? 17 goals for a player who didn't play as a striker is average? Tough crowd.

[SirBob]

With regards to Tella, I think it’s clear we want him. I just don’t think he fits our transfer model if we have to pay out 20+ million. I rate the lad but I have serious questions as to whether we’ll ever make a return on that investment, which seems to be a major deciding factor.

I think we have to identify young cheaper targets with the potential to go on and be sold for mega bucks.

There is a reason Southampton want £50m for Lavia and £20m for Tella.

[taio]

Think I’m the only one not seeing the Tella obsession.

17 league goals last season was it? Hat trick at hull take that off and it’s 14. That’s not like, amazing is it? Pretty average return for the side finishing 1st. In addition he was never fancied in the prem by Saints either.

Good in the championship as he is faster than everyone but in the prem most defenders are as quick as him and definitely stronger.

I feel it’s a mostly emotive argument based on our love for him, when there may well be better options out there more suited to the Prem.

Just some balance!

Why are you deducting his hat-trick at Hull? Seems an odd way of providing balance.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Eh? Do hat tricks not exist? 17 goals for a player who didn't play as a striker is average? Tough crowd.

This is a hard argument to sell when he was the most central and furthest forward player in the squad last season.

He might not have officially played that role but his positioning on average throughout the season was a CF.

[Pickles]

This is a hard argument to sell when he was the most central and furthest forward player in the squad last season.

He might not have officially played that role but his positioning on average throughout the season was a CF.

I knew that was coming and it's a good point. But to say 17 goals is "pretty average"? Come on.

[chekhov]

Why are you deducting his hat-trick at Hull? Seems an odd way of providing balance.

I’m with JR1882. Add to his hat-trick weren’t some his other goals headers and tap-ins. If you take those away his goal scoring record is abysmal!

[Pickles]

Some of Tella's goals were scored with his feet, take those away and he had a terrible season.

[Vino blanco]

With regards to Tella, I think it’s clear we want him. I just don’t think he fits our transfer model if we have to pay out 20+ million. I rate the lad but I have serious questions as to whether we’ll ever make a return on that investment, which seems to be a major deciding factor.

I think we have to identify young cheaper targets with the potential to go on and be sold for mega bucks.

There is a reason Southampton want £50m for Lavia and £20m for Tella.

You get a return on the investment if he scores goals that win you the games to keep you in the PL. He is the one signing I really want to happen.

[Greekclaret]

If you take away all the goals he scored then he’s a pretty poor finisher

[Guller Bull]

Some of Tella's goals were not even spectacular, take away those and he was pony.

[taio]

If you take away all our goals last season we'd be in league 1. Just to give some balance

[RVclaret]

17 was a good return albeit 6 of those came in 2 games against, let’s be honest, absolutely woeful defences. Just 3 goals against top 10 sides all season. Overperformed his xG by the largest amount in the league (comments about being very clinical are accurate but you have to be wary someone hasn’t just had a very good streak, as that level of over performance is ‘usually’ unsustainable). You might see this post as negative but it’s not meant to be, just highlighting some facts.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Eh? Do hat tricks not exist? 17 goals for a player who didn't play as a striker is average? Tough crowd.

Pretty sure someone posted a few months ago some of his goals were against a lot of the bottom teams so they shouldn’t really count!

[taio]

17 was a good return albeit 6 of those came in 2 games against, let’s be honest, absolutely woeful defences. Just 3 goals against top 10 sides all season. Overperformed his xG by the largest amount in the league (comments about being very clinical are accurate but you have to be wary someone hasn’t just had a very good streak, as that level of over performance is ‘usually’ unsustainable). You might see this post as negative but it’s not meant to be, just highlighting some facts.

The most relevant fact is he scored 17 goals and made a huge contribution to us getting promoted. Anything else is just unnecessary noise.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Some of Tella's goals were scored with his feet, take those away and he had a terrible season.

He also got a hat trick against PNE, so he only really scored 11. I wonder how many goals Kane got for Spurs if you remove all his hat tricks. Wow.

[Pickles]

Do Haaland's two goals count against us?

[Guller Bull]

17 was a good return albeit 6 of those came in 2 games against, let’s be honest, absolutely woeful defences. Just 3 goals against top 10 sides all season. Overperformed his xG by the largest amount in the league (comments about being very clinical are accurate but you have to be wary someone hasn’t just had a very good streak, as that level of over performance is ‘usually’ unsustainable). You might see this post as negative but it’s not meant to be, just highlighting some facts.

Don't see it as negative RV just see that we were a far better team with Tella because he provided a quick dynamic outlet and created fear in opposition defences which created space for other dominant players to find space and assert.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Do Haaland's two goals count against us?

His hat trick against us in the cup obviously doesn't count, so did we only lose 3 nil?

[Newcastleclaret93]

I knew that was coming and it's a good point. But to say 17 goals is "pretty average"? Come on.

I appreciate your point, but I also look at it and find it very strange that when we were linked to Adams mostly the same posters were not interested, even though he has a considerably better record at every level.

[Pickles]

I appreciate your point, but I also look at it and find it very strange that when we were linked to Adams mostly the same posters were not interested, even though he has a considerably better record at every level.

Che Adams? I'd be quite pleased if we signed him. If we're comparing him and Tella though, it seems a bit redundant. Very different players, different positions.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

His hat trick against us in the cup obviously doesn't count, so did we only lose 3 nil?

Could certainly look at reviewing some recent results against City!

[Conroysleftfoot]

Loved Tella's pressing, his infectious enthusiasm and the grin he always had on his face. Add those assets to his 17 (seventeen) goals and he was great for us. Would he cut in the Prem I don't know, just think he deserves the chance to try, with us.

[Firthy]

Still expecting Maatsen on a season long.

Pretty sure the Maatsen and Tella ships have sailed. So I'm expecting Ramsey, striker and LB in but haven't a clue who.

[ClaretAL]

Interesting that Foster was getting written off by some in the championship, but now think he has stepped up, but in the same breath think that Tella who really stood out last year would not make it in the Premier League.

[burnley007]

this thread has actually got worse. I genuinely didn't think that was possible.

Well done.

[Silkyskills1]

Yeh expected him to get at least 2 against City what a flop

Please point out where I have said that. If you can I will no longer pursue my opinion on this topic. You can't just go saying people have said things when they clearly haven't.
Again, just to reiterate, my post was about our centre forward who did have a good game the other night. Not doubting that. I do have some doubt, however, about whether he is looking like sticking the ball in the opponents net. So far he hasn't. And I do genuinely hope that his luck changes and he begins to find the back of the net for us.

[123EasyasBFC]

I appreciate your point, but I also look at it and find it very strange that when we were linked to Adams mostly the same posters were not interested, even though he has a considerably better record at every level.

I was one of the ones who didn’t like the Adams link but funnily enough after watching on Friday I think Adams would be a good fit in our side, he has started the season well to

[randomclaret2]

A brave post by JR1882...going against the mainstream view on here . In terms of Tella, I dont know whether or not we will sign him, nor if we do if he will prove good enough for the Premier League. Just wondering though if any other Premier League clubs have been linked with him ?

[kenyon6923]

Most promoted teams as we all well know struggle to score enough goals. That is why the gulf between the top 2 leagues are huge, you don't get many clubs that get relegated from prem who has scored loads of goals.
We are no exception this season - we don't seem to have a ings or Austin where we "see maybe 10+ goals" off 1 person and hope others chip in.
It's a big season for VK as well as this season we could well get 1-2 hidings and lose 2-3 matches on the bounce and unlike his Belgium experience this league is miles more unforgiving.
He probably has more 'Sunderland away half time team talks" to dish out but this time the teams were facing are awful lot better.

The other issue is "bottom half clubs" generally will play their best team every league game and slot in for injuries/suspensions/loss of form etc etc how long before we know our best 11 ?? Plenty can't even decide on even the best goalkeeper yet

[Tricky Trevor]

On Mission To Burnley VK told a board meeting that lFoster will be seen as a bargain by the end of this season.”








At which point he’ll be sold,………….I’m messing.

[EarbyClaret]

A brave post by JR1882...going against the mainstream view on here . In terms of Tella, I dont know whether or not we will sign him, nor if we do if he will prove good enough for the Premier League. Just wondering though if any other Premier League clubs have been linked with him ?

You could say that about all of our signings this summer - have any other PL clubs shown an interest in any of them

The 'ceiling' is not as high on Tella as on players like Amdouni or Odobert - that seems to be the sticking point - we're not prepared to pay a similar fee for him because there's not the same potential margin

It's possible Southampton's better players might agitate for moves over the next week or so - that seems about the only variable before the window closes

[JLR81]

Think I’m the only one not seeing the Tella obsession.

17 league goals last season was it? Hat trick at hull take that off and it’s 14. That’s not like, amazing is it? Pretty average return for the side finishing 1st. In addition he was never fancied in the prem by Saints either.

Good in the championship as he is faster than everyone but in the prem most defenders are as quick as him and definitely stronger.

I feel it’s a mostly emotive argument based on our love for him, when there may well be better options out there more suited to the Prem.

Just some balance!

If you take away all the promotions since the 1992, we're still in the Fourth Division.

Frankly that's not good enough, pull your finger out Alan!

[Shaun1983]

Pretty sure someone posted a few months ago some of his goals were against a lot of the bottom teams so they shouldn’t really count!

Goals scored against teams that finished below us shouldn't count, neither should one scored before the 90th minute

[Carwin261]

Interesting that Foster was getting written off by some in the championship, but now think he has stepped up, but in the same breath think that Tella who really stood out last year would not make it in the Premier League.

Foster will get at least 10 goals this season.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Foster will get at least 10 goals this season.

Stupid fool


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[Swizzlestick]

Stupid fool

Why the unnecessary insult just because you’ve staked an early negative position on one of our players? Says a lot about you.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Very much looks like Twine is off to Hull this week.

[boatshed bill]

Foster will get at least 10 goals this season.

I doubt it.
But we share the goals around, 5 or more would be good as long as we are getting enough goals from other players.

[123EasyasBFC]

People are forgetting how hard it is to score 10 goals In the premier league, if foster gets 6 or 7 that’s a good return, as long as there’s 4 or 5 others who get similar numbers

[TheFamilyCat]

If you don't count the games that Tella didn't score in, his record is ******* sensational.

[forzagranata]

Instead of scoring for Burnley last season, if Tella had scored 17 goals in the Belgian league or the French second division and there was a You Tube highlights video of his goals and assists, the same people now claiming he isn't good enough for the Premier League would be saying he was a bargain at 15 million and that it was such an exciting time to be a Burnley fan.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Instead of scoring for Burnley last season, if Tella had scored 17 goals in the Belgian league or the French second division and there was a You Tube highlights video of his goals and assists, the same people now claiming he isn't good enough for the Premier League would be saying he was a bargain at 15 million and that it was such an exciting time to be a Burnley fan.

I think if that player had two seasons at premier league level where he struggled to even get minutes, I doubt many Burnley fans would say the rumoured 20m pound deal was a good one

[jojomk1]

Have we signed anyone yet ?

[Jakubs Tash]

I think if that player had two seasons at premier league level where he struggled to even get minutes, I doubt many Burnley fans would say the rumoured 20m pound deal was a good one

How could you possibly judge him if he “struggled to even get minutes”?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Have we signed anyone yet ?

We need to get a few in, apparently half the squad isn't PL standard/utter toss

[Jakubs Tash]

Not sure why you wouldn't see JBG as a winger at this level, he's played the best part of 150 games on the right wing in the Premier League and is still only 32. He's clearly an option in that position.

Otherwise much of that it fair if a bit negative. They are all options and the point is we have plenty. We only need another if it is a genuine starting option.

How was I being negative? Realistic, maybe.

JBG of 5 years ago was a very different player to the JBG of now. He simply isn’t quick enough to play as a winger at this level and in this system (still probably quicker than Vitinho though in all fairness).

[JR1882]

The point I was making (badly ) is a hat trick skewes goals to game ratio slightly.

And yes, 17 goals in the team that finished first and scored the most in a 46 game season, is not spectacular. Mitrovic got 40+ for example, that’s spectacular.

I don’t think he scores 10 in a prem season tbh.

[forzagranata]

I think if that player had two seasons at premier league level where he struggled to even get minutes, I doubt many Burnley fans would say the rumoured 20m pound deal was a good one

There is a striker called Folarin Balogun who has struggled to get minutes at a Premier League club (Arsenal)
He spent last year on-loan at French Ligue 1 club Reims and scored 21 goals.
He is now back at Arsenal and not getting minutes.

Are you saying you wouldn't sign a player like that because he didn't get minutes as a young player at a PL club?

(Btw Arsenal want 40-50 million for Balogun)

[JR1882]

Not getting minutes at Arsenal and not getting minutes at Southampton are very different though.

Ligue 1 is significantly stronger than the championship (and brutally physical) so that’s not really a reasonable comparison, in my humble opinion.