Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[boatshed bill]

I don’t expect a character like VK to have a team with a lack of character.

We might like Josh Brownhill because he looks a good lad, VK might think he’s limited and and there is a 20 year old Andorran who could do the same.

I’m going to trust VK over boatshedbill.

I should hope so too.
Your trust, however, doesn't alter my opinion.

[123EasyasBFC]

I think all have been purchased with a view to sell for a markup bar Berge & O’Shea - might make our money back on those two or a slight profit depending. Got a feeling Dara could be here for a while though, which would be grand.

Buying to make a profit doesn’t mean we are buying low,

9m - Odobert
12m - Ramsey (when it happens)
14m - Trafford
15m - Amdouni

All 22 or under, that’s not a low spend

[CoolClaret]

But for Burnley’s standards and finances we aren’t buying low. Can’t say spending 9m on a 18 year old winger from France is buying low.

We will 100% be hoping that we can flip him for 20+ million in 2/3 years time

Or signing an extension depending on how much/little he’s developed

[123EasyasBFC]

We will 100% be hoping that we can flip him for 20+ million in 2/3 years time

Or signing an extension depending on how much/little he’s developed

Which is fine and fits in with the selling for high part but no club the size of Burnley and class spending that sort of money on an 18 year old as low spend

[Father Jack]

But for Burnley’s standards and finances we aren’t buying low. Can’t say spending 9m on a 18 year old winger from France is buying low.

We can’t judge the spending by our standards.
Our aspirations have been turbo charged relatively speaking.

£9m on an 18 year old is low for the Prem.

[123EasyasBFC]

We can’t judge the spending by our standards.
Our aspirations have been turbo charged relatively speaking.

£9m on an 18 year old is low for the Prem.

9m for an 18 year old is now low for Burnley though, our club reckon is only 15m.

The point is when we have spent close to nearly 80m you can’t say we are buying low

[CoolClaret]

Buying to make a profit doesn’t mean we are buying low,

9m - Odobert
12m - Ramsey (when it happens)
14m - Trafford
15m - Amdouni

All 22 or under, that’s not a low spend

You’re overthinking this. It’s not ‘low’ in the grand scheme of all transfers but it’s the concept of buying players whilst still relative unknowns (low)- at least not proven as good players in one of the big leagues in Europe, before they get to their maximum possible sale value around age sort of
24-26 (the high).

[Swizzlestick]

I reckon getting three of your star players to sign contract extensions is pretty good for your identity whatever that means. We aren’t just buying low to sell high, we’re buying players who VK feels will improve the team. Amdouni, Trafford, Berge, O’Shea…these will be at least semi regular starters.

If Brownhill doesn’t want to sign a new contract and we receive a good offer, he will go, and rightly so. I like him, he’s a good player, but without wishing to go all NewcastleClaret, he isn’t irreplaceable.

Is the identity line about player turnover? Surely it’s a needs must situation. Leadership? Cullen has extended (apparently), O’Shea seems a strong character, signed Redmond with plenty of experience, I have a hunch Beyer could be captain in the future. There’s a lot of change but as the last 12 months has shown, sometimes that’s necessary.

[CoolClaret]

Just to add -
It’s probably why we haven’t pulled the trigger on Tella because we probably think we’d be having to pay at what is his market ‘high’

Not that he couldn’t be a top contributor for us or anything but say we paid 20mill or so for him we’d probably not get that in a resale…

That’s not to say that it would necessarily be a bad transfer btw - if you’re getting 3-4 years of good performances and then you can extend or sell then it’s not necessarily a bad expenditure as long as the player has performed and been a good contributor/keeping you on the PL etc etc

Like everything, there’s a balance to be had

[Father Jack]

9m for an 18 year old is now low for Burnley though, our club reckon is only 15m.

The point is when we have spent close to nearly 80m you can’t say we are buying low

You’re confusing buying low and spending a lot (by our standards).
The fees are a historically lot for us. As a club.
But the fee per player is low.
Average prem fees for signings will be c.£30m (my guess).

[arise_sir_charge]

I should hope so too.
Your trust, however, doesn't alter my opinion.

That’s fair enough.

But without checking I’m going to guess you were in the “there is only Dyche that can manage us” and “we can’t get good players cheap from abroad” gang.

[123EasyasBFC]

You’re overthinking this. It’s not ‘low’ in the grand scheme of all transfers but it’s the concept of buying players whilst still relative unknowns (low)- at least not proven as good players in one of the big leagues in Europe, before they get to their maximum possible sale value around age sort of
24-26 (the high).

The low part would be zaroury at 4m and selling high at 20-30m, or koleosho like I said at 3m

[123EasyasBFC]

You’re confusing buying low and spending a lot (by our standards).
The fees are a historically lot for us. As a club.
But the fee per player is low.
Average prem fees for signings will be c.£30m (my guess).

Doesn’t matter about what the average is for the premier league, you base it on what is classed as low and high for you as a club, to me the only low deals for us are koleosho and obafemi as they are under 5m

[Father Jack]

The low part would be zaroury at 4m and selling high at 20-30m, or koleosho like I said at 3m

We don’t have time to risk taking £3-5m punts when prem league income is at stake.
Last year showed you could do that in the Championship but for every Zaroury or Benson there was a Bastien or Churlinov.
It’s a vicious circle. More income, more at stake, need to spend more to reduce the risk and/or increase the likelihood of reward.

[123EasyasBFC]

We don’t have time to risk taking £3-5m punts when prem league income is at stake.
Last year showed you could do that in the Championship but for every Zaroury or Benson there was a Bastien or Churlinov.
It’s a vicious circle. More income, more at stake, need to spend more to reduce the risk and/or increase the likelihood of reward.

I wasn’t saying we have time for that? Just stated that we aren’t doing a Watford and buying low to sell high (which I don’t think they do) we are spending high in terms of Burnley spend to then sell for even higher

[boatshed bill]

That’s fair enough.

But without checking I’m going to guess you were in the “there is only Dyche that can manage us” and “we can’t get good players cheap from abroad” gang.

Then you'd be absolutely wrong.

[Tricky Trevor]

Leadership? Cullen has extended (apparently), O’Shea seems a strong character, signed Redmond with plenty of experience, I have a hunch Beyer could be captain in the future. There’s a lot of change but as the last 12 months has shown, sometimes that’s necessary.

I commented on the apparent lack of leadership, post-match Friday. We need a Roy Keane, Joey Barton type leader who isn’t afraid to get in team mates faces. I wasn’t on but from tv it all looked a bit meh! Played ok but the result seemed expected from going behind.

[arise_sir_charge]

I commented on the apparent lack of leadership, post-match Friday. We need a Roy Keane, Joey Barton type leader who isn’t afraid to get in team mates faces. I wasn’t on but from tv it all looked a bit meh! Played ok but the result seemed expected from going behind.

That’s because it was expected. Roy Keane nor Joey Barton wouldn’t have won us that game on Friday.

[Swizzlestick]

I commented on the apparent lack of leadership, post-match Friday. We need a Roy Keane, Joey Barton type leader who isn’t afraid to get in team mates faces. I wasn’t on but from tv it all looked a bit meh! Played ok but the result seemed expected from going behind.

Can you even have those types of players these days, especially with added VAR? For examples of players taking games by the scruff of the neck though, have a look back at Cullen's performance against Rovers at the Turf. It's easy to look meh against City - they are light years ahead in terms of technical ability and have pace and power all over the pitch. We did alright.

[arise_sir_charge]

Then you'd be absolutely wrong.

Ok, just trust that they know what they are doing and don’t over think things then.

[randomclaret2]

I commented on the apparent lack of leadership, post-match Friday. We need a Roy Keane, Joey Barton type leader who isn’t afraid to get in team mates faces. I wasn’t on but from tv it all looked a bit meh! Played ok but the result seemed expected from going behind.

City have hammered us , home and away, repeatedly. There was nothing unusual about Friday night. Were we lacking in leadership last season, when we lost 6-0 at City, but had a magnificent season ?

[Swizzlestick]

True. We put in far more passive performances against City under Dyche, with teams featuring Mee, Tarkowski, Brownhill, Barnes etc.

[arise_sir_charge]

True. We put in far more passive performances against City under Dyche, with teams featuring Mee, Tarkowski, Brownhill, Barnes etc.

We got stuffed, but we shouted more and flew into a couple more tackles.

These young foreigners need a bloke whose whose prepared to shout a bit (in English of course), that’ll stipe them getting beaten by the best club side in the world.

[mybloodisclaret]

This thread is literally crazy.

[Taffy on the wing]

I think all have been purchased with a view to sell for a markup bar Berge & O’Shea - might make our money back on those two or a slight profit depending. Got a feeling Dara could be here for a while though, which would be grand.

O'Shea is only 24, Kompany thinks he'll be good enough for a top 6 side..........good enough for me.

[CoolClaret]

The low part would be zaroury at 4m and selling high at 20-30m, or koleosho like I said at 3m

Doesn’t matter about what the average is for the premier league, you base it on what is classed as low and high for you as a club, to me the only low deals for us are koleosho and obafemi as they are under 5m

You’ve got this totally wrong.

The low part isn’t the fee itself, it’s a fee relative to the what the potential max value is for a player.

Put it in terms of stock - there’s plenty of penny stocks that you can buy high at fractions of pennies that will never make any money where as there’s stocks like Tesla a few years back would have still cost significantly more relative to a cheaper stock but was still nowhere near its top end value.

Case in point here for a real life example would be Jude Bellingham.

Dortmund paid a significant fee for a young player in the hopes he’d turn into a world beater with their coaching etc and they turned an initial outlay of €30 million or so (which was a lot for a 17 yr old) to a €100 million asset.

Birmingham didn’t have the capability to improve him in such a way due to the level that they play at and also less talent in the squad.

We’re simply trying to do similar to this with some players, albeit on a slightly smaller scale (for now)

[Hipper]

That’s because it was expected. Roy Keane nor Joey Barton wouldn’t have won us that game on Friday.

It didn't seem to me the team lacked motivation or gave up. The problem on Friday was that the team we played were so much better then us. No amount of shouting and screaming can change that.

Furthermore, I don't think our team works like that anyway. You don't see anyone telling any other player off even if they do something wrong - I'm thinking like Pickford does at Everton. Our players seem to have a more positive attitude and I like that. Leave the telling off and the way it's done to VK and his team.

Dobbo seemed a good team captain but I don't recall him being a loudmouth. Declan Rice too for that matter.

[bobinho]

Profit margin is undoubtedly a factor in whoever we buy.

[Spijed]

Time will tell as to whether we need someone to help the defence at set pieces this season. The 3rd goal against Man City was a bit concerning in that it was a standard free kick into the box, the quality that most teams at this level can provide and it resulted in a simple mistake which is often punished in the PL.

Hopefully VK is able to teach Bayer and Co. how to clear the ball in such situations otherwise we might need a player to give them a guiding hand.

[wilks_bfc]

Time will tell as to whether we need someone to help the defence at set pieces this season. The 3rd goal against Man City was a bit concerning in that it was a standard free kick into the box, the quality that most teams at this level can provide and it resulted in a simple mistake which is often punished in the PL.

Hopefully VK is able to teach Bayer and Co. how to clear the ball in such situations otherwise we might need a player to give them a guiding hand.

It may have been a standard free kick into the box, but we had just replaced Bayer the minute before and was playing with a rearranged back line

[CoolClaret]

Time will tell as to whether we need someone to help the defence at set pieces this season. The 3rd goal against Man City was a bit concerning in that it was a standard free kick into the box, the quality that most teams at this level can provide and it resulted in a simple mistake which is often punished in the PL.

Hopefully VK is able to teach Bayer and Co. how to clear the ball in such situations otherwise we might need a player to give them a guiding hand.

I think there’s no questioning that we’re a bit poor defending set pieces - we were last season until Hjalmar Ekdal came into the side and I believe we looked a lot better defending them with him in the side.

[Tricky Trevor]

City have hammered us , home and away, repeatedly. There was nothing unusual about Friday night. Were we lacking in leadership last season, when we lost 6-0 at City, but had a magnificent season ?

The leadership last year came from Ash Barnes, Jack Cork and JRod. THB has it, that is why he captains England U21s. I’m not having a go at any of our starters but our defence is very young. It could be Beyer, AlDakhil or Ekdal that steps up to be the boss but at the moment it is missing.

[claretonthecoast1882]

It is quite surprising that the manager who has won the division 4 times as well as well as FA Cups, League Cup, 3rd place at a world cup and multiple Premier league team of the seasons while playing in this position hasn't realised this.

[Firthy]

It is quite surprising that the manager who has won the division 4 times as well as well as FA Cups, League Cup, 3rd place at a world cup and multiple Premier league team of the seasons while playing in this position hasn't realised this.

I think he has realised that. He said that's one of the reasons he signed Berge, because we lack experience.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Buying to make a profit doesn’t mean we are buying low,

9m - Odobert
12m - Ramsey (when it happens)
14m - Trafford
15m - Amdouni

All 22 or under, that’s not a low spend

It's peanut money for the Premier league

[vinrogue]

If Trafford continues his form for England and starts to push for a place alongside Pickford and Pope, would a fee of £40 Million be high or low? I am firmly in the camp that the owners transfer policy with our Manager on a 5 year deal has full backing from this old supporter. I see more chance of transfer success with this policy than signing Lennon and hoping.

[RicardoMontalban]

The leadership last year came from Ash Barnes, Jack Cork and JRod. THB has it, that is why he captains England U21s. I’m not having a go at any of our starters but our defence is very young. It could be Beyer, AlDakhil or Ekdal that steps up to be the boss but at the moment it is missing.

Bloody hell lads, we’ve played one match against the European Champions. Recognising that isn’t being defeatist. It will come.

[CoolClaret]

I see more chance of transfer success with this policy than signing Lennon and hoping.

The reason Dyche started to make so many free/cheap signings of players sort of around 30 and over towards the end of his tenure is because Garlick wasn’t allocating funds for new players so that he could sell the club and expected Dyche to work minor miracles in doing so.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Bloody hell lads, we’ve played one match against the European Champions. Recognising that isn’t being defeatist. It will come.

I agree, give it at least eight game's for it to come together and we'll be okay this season, I think we'll finish the season just under mid table

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://x.com/city_xtra/status/1692268416801915342?s=46

That’s cheap for THB

[gandhisflipflop]

It seems to be slowing down a bit now on transfers, I’m hoping the club is just holding its cards closer to its chest in the hope of landing a bargain ahead of the deadline

[burnley007]

https://x.com/city_xtra/status/1692268416801915342?s=46

That’s cheap for THB

I think at the end of last season, we'd all have been happy for the club to pay that for him.

[randomclaret2]

Mama Baldè from Troyes linked

[arise_sir_charge]

I think at the end of last season, we'd all have been happy for the club to pay that for him.

See, I’m not so sure. I thought the lads we brought in were better than him and were much cheaper in comparison.

[Quicknick]

I think at the end of last season, we'd all have been happy for the club to pay that for him.

I'd rather they spent the money on an LB.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Mama Baldè from Troyes linked

Can’t start wondering where the LB links are. Plus other CM links.

[BleedingClaret]

I think at the end of last season, we'd all have been happy for the club to pay that for him.

Yes but not if it was instead of a LB or CF as I think that he’d be joint 4th choice CB behind Beyer, AlDakeel & O’Shea and very similar to Ekdal, similar in ball skills and a little one paced & just ok in the air

[BigChaCha]

Yes but not if it was instead of a LB or CF as I think that he’d be joint 4th choice CB behind Beyer, AlDakeel & O’Shea and very similar to Ekdal, similar in ball skills and a little one paced & just ok in the air

4th choice He'd only be competing for one spot!...

He walks into this current defence without an ounce of doubt... He's far more mentally mature, a better organiser, a stronger leader and a slicker passer than any central defender on our books...

It is no coincidence that he is valued on the market more than any of our current defenders!

[randomclaret2]

4th choice He'd only be competing for one spot!...

He walks into this current defence without an ounce of doubt... He's far more mentally mature, a better organiser, a stronger leader and a slicker passer than any central defender on our books...

It is no coincidence that he is valued on the market more than any of our current defenders!

I wonder if VK agrees...

[BigChaCha]

I wonder if VK agrees...

It's called transfer budget management

If VK could sign every player he wanted, we'd have spent at least double what we have now and would not be going for 3rd and 4th choices