Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[CoolClaret]

Where is all this money coming from, I'm not complaining just curious

Speculating to (hopefully) accumulate.

TV money / loans is my guess.

I’m sure ChesterPerry will know more about it

[Andreshotboots]

9th highest spenders in the PL, 16th in Europe as it stands!

We should get about 130 points in the Championship next season with this squad

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Where is all this money coming from, I'm not complaining just curious

We had a net spend of around +£34 million last summer, wage bill was smashed right down with the high earners mainly leaving and relegation clauses for anyone left, and we bounced back up at the first attempt meaning we get the PL tv money again

Don’t be shocked if a number of players are sold for good money next summer, I’ve said recently that we will see more players leave for £20 million plus and maybe even break the record amount we got for Keane if we have a good season

We also don’t know what extra investment the owners have managed to get in, because the accounts for last season aren’t due until next summer

[Blyclaret]

Very impressed with Ramseys interview. This guy will be good for us.

[mkmel]

I reckon we have already spent about £90M net.

Just using approximate initial fees. For instance James Trafford £14M and not the rising to £19M

[dsr]

Where is all this money coming from, I'm not complaining just curious

Didn't someone (presumably Chester Perry?) say that we had taken out a loan of £100m this summer? Or did I dream that?

[Cap]

We never spent all the money we brought in from last summer's outgoing transfers.
Also the fees are spread over years. They're not all upfront.
If we do ultimately get relegated, the players are still saleable assets. Some worth a lot more than what we paid.

[Tricky Trevor]

There was an article on Chelseas spending, on SSN app, just last week that listed every PL club for this window. We were only at £34m. Either spreading the load over years or some very clever book-keeping.

[PremierLeagueClass]

There was an article on Chelseas spending, on SSN app, just last week that listed every PL club for this window. We were only at £34m. Either spreading the load over years or some very clever book-keeping.

Or Sky Sports don’t have a clue.

[Firthy]

Just a RW, ST, MF and LB to go to complete our 35 man squad now

[BleedingClaret]

Very impressed with Ramseys interview. This guy will be good for us.

I think Ramsey has the enthusiasm and hope of a young man before he gets a permanent woman and has kids

[Burnley1989]

I think Ramsey has the enthusiasm and hope of a young man before he gets a permanent woman and has kids

I miss that optimism

[BleedingClaret]

I miss that optimism

You can get it back in short bursts with alcohol

[claretonthecoast1882]

You can get it back in short bursts with alcohol

Is there a particular drink containing alcohol you recommend ? .. asking for a friend

[warksclaret]

I am intrigued to know what will happen to the "old guard" in the next 8 days ie Rodriguez, Cork, JBG, Taylor, Bastian. They will struggle to even make the match day squads following our numerous recruits this Summer, and will be our top earners. Our wage bill simply needs to go down. For me we have become a better buyer, than seller, and moving these on will involve some salesmanship from the club. None of them are PL players. In the case of Brownhill the club and VK will by now know his intention-if he is stalling on contract talks he needs to be the first to go, as he is the only key sellable asset with him going free in 10 months otherwise

Before people say we need their experience, you need more than that, you need a major contribution during those 90 minutes in keeping with the way the team is playing

[AfloatinClaret]

[quote=nil_desperandum post_id=2163113 time=1692741254 user_id=658 ... look at it as an investment. (There's always an element of risk in an investment however).
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Glad that you added the codicil, not that it'll do any good on here. If things don't go well, you can guarantee that a substantial proportion of those who're currently getting over-excited about how good this summer's business has been will then be raving about how foolish it's been.
That said, I'm optimistic for the short term at least (as long as VKs here) and this summer's business is perhaps another benefit of our Championship reset: The Board have had the opportunity to see the success of VKs substantially less expensive selections last summer, before committing to this more substantial expenditure.

[Big Vinny K]

Didn't someone (presumably Chester Perry?) say that we had taken out a loan of £100m this summer? Or did I dream that?

Think you may have dreamt it.
Was Jennifer Lopez sat next to you on your sofa at the time ? If so that should definitely confirm it was a dream.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Think you may have dreamt it.
Was Jennifer Lopez sat next to you on your sofa at the time ? If so that should definitely confirm it was a dream.

If she was then I am booting the tart out

[Big Vinny K]

If she was then I am booting the tart out

I blocked the strumpet’s calls months ago.

[BleedingClaret]

Is there a particular drink containing alcohol you recommend ? .. asking for a friend

I’m a bit Cliched, I have a bottle of Bene in the dining room dresser and take random swigs of it as the day demands

[dsr]

Think you may have dreamt it.
Was Jennifer Lopez sat next to you on your sofa at the time ? If so that should definitely confirm it was a dream.

She would have been, but by the time her entourage of 60 was in the house, there wasn't room for her.

Jennifer Connelly was somewhere about, if that helps?

I've no idea where the thought of the £100m loan came from, so I think we'll have to write it off as a dream.

[Socrates]

I am intrigued to know what will happen to the "old guard" in the next 8 days ie Rodriguez, Cork, JBG, Taylor, Bastian. They will struggle to even make the match day squads following our numerous recruits this Summer

Klopp had some interesting comments this summer about keeping players longer than you would expect because of what they offer in the dressing room rather than the pitch.

Whilst they will be our higher earners Jay, Cork and JBG have all signed new contracts since we got relegated and I bet they aren’t on what they were at their peak. If they are happy to accept a smaller amount of minutes on the pitch then I’d be very happy to keep them around the place. Their experience and support in training will be invaluable.

[Anthonini]

Clue

Anderlecht
Belgium
City
Other

Sergio Gómez!?

[Anthonini]

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1694078 ... Gkg4Pp-4vg

Nicolo Schira linking us with Kouame at Fiorentina.

Very athletic player, very hard working goes to press hard on any ball. Very useful teamplayer that can score. Good in the air as well.

Personally not the biggest fan because he's not that fine tuned, not the most technical player yet I can't deny he was valuable for Anderlecht during his spell. Foster-like player with more experience of course.

[Firthy]

Very athletic player, very hard working goes to press hard on any ball. Very useful teamplayer that can score. Good in the air as well.

Personally not the biggest fan because he's not that fine tuned, not the most technical player yet I can't deny he was valuable for Anderlecht during his spell. Foster-like player with more experience of course.

Bit like our Ash then

[Tricky Trevor]

I think I read we were connected with Reo Hatate, at Celtic, a few pages back.
Anyway he has refused a contract extension with them.

[warksclaret]

Klopp had some interesting comments this summer about keeping players longer than you would expect because of what they offer in the dressing room rather than the pitch.

Whilst they will be our higher earners Jay, Cork and JBG have all signed new contracts since we got relegated and I bet they aren’t on what they were at their peak. If they are happy to accept a smaller amount of minutes on the pitch then I’d be very happy to keep them around the place. Their experience and support in training will be invaluable.

Klopp had some big players who were big characters in the dressing room-Firminio, Milner, Henderson, Oxlade Chamberlaine. Do Jay, Jack , Charlieand JBG offer that impact in the changing room-you already have Cullen, Roberts who offer that.WE are not in the same category as Liverpool when comparing what we can justify financially

I am just a tad concerned about our outgoings and wages, and four wages saved and reinvested is more in line with the business model the club are now pursuing. Its a tricky one because you need interested parties before moving on older players. Just my opinion by the way

[Conroysleftfoot]

I presume VK will still want to use his loans from Prem League teams before the window shuts. Are we allowed 2?

[summitclaret]

Not sure we will use both loans. Whilst it git us up, we have seen the problem with actually signing all but Bayer. However, suspect we will loans a left back. Hopefully, Gomez.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Regarding this concern about the money if we imagine a year 1 set of payments as being about £50m with more instalments in future years, then we add on wages which I bet are a saving on past PL years, it is very possible this could be affordable from the coming season’s income alone.

More likely there could be a bit of debt taken on board, particularly for cash flow as much of these transfer outgoings would be immediate, but that could be largely short term debt just factoring the incoming TV money with an element of it rolling into next year. We have a FFP responsibility of course so debt cannot be too excessive.

So I feel very assured about all this, I think its the right approach and when we’ve finished it won’t be far away from the £100m I thought we would spend at the start of the window.

[NewClaret]

Regarding this concern about the money if we imagine a year 1 set of payments as being about £50m with more instalments in future years, then we add on wages which I bet are a saving on past PL years, it is very possible this could be affordable from the coming season’s income alone.

More likely there could be a bit of debt taken on board, particularly for cash flow as much of these transfer outgoings would be immediate, but that could be largely short term debt just factoring the incoming TV money.

So I feel very assured about all this, I think its the right approach and when we’ve finished it won’t be far away from the £100m I thought we would spend at the start of the window.

When you consider a lot of our players have signed 5 year deals, I imagine that the up front fees might be as low as 20% (if instalments are spread evenly) - so lower than £50m.

As you say, I’m fairly relaxed with it all. Some risk is introduced as we’ll have to start selling players in future years to balance the books, but I think this is a much better model to run a football club than stashing cash away.

[warksclaret]

Once you have confidence in our recruitment model (and plenty good evidence in the past 14 months), then it makes selling your top players more pallatable. Brighton have been the absolute masters in finding replacements as good as what they are selling at a fraction of the cost

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Once you have confidence in our recruitment model (and plenty good evidence in the past 14 months), then it makes selling your top players more pallatable. Brighton have been the absolute masters in finding replacements as good as what they are selling at a fraction of the cost

Brighton have a great model they just seem to name their price for players they sell and get it and then as you say replace at a fraction.

[Anthonini]

Bit like our Ash then

Haha
Though I prefer Zirkzee or Nmecha we could do a good deal on Kouame. Kompany really gets the best out of him. Can hold a ball does everything you ask him. Very unselfish player too. Does loads of dirty work for his teammates. If we could rent him with a good option that would be nice, gives us more depth up front.

[Anthonini]

Brighton have a great model they just seem to name their price for players they sell and get it and then as you say replace at a fraction.

I can't help but being irritated by Brighton. I really hope we can beat them this season. They are always after our targets. Idk I feel I'm holding a grudge.

[Anthonini]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1694131512373899306

Short clip from Bakayoko vs Glasgow Rangers yesterday where he gave 2 assists. The guy looks ready to demolish the Premier League. Together with Doku and Lavia probably the best young lads Belgium currently has to offer.

If there's even a slim chance, and Sacha Tavolieri said he was most interested in signing for Burnley, we should do whatever we can to real him in. This guy could make an incredible difference for Burnley. He's a danger for the opponents defence. Can take out players with ease with his speed and dribbling. Good crosses and powerful shot at goal.

Dutch analysts were saying it's crazy for him to go to Liverpool. Too soon they said. Hopefully he feels the same way. Burnley would be a great step forward and we could really use him as Benson isn't fit to play 90 minutes. We can't count on guys like Koleosho Redmond and Bruun Larsen as our nr 1 pick for the wings. Zaroury could start but Benson would mostly be a luxury sub.

Anyway this guy has an immense resale value, if he just keeps on playing like he does now, the sky is the limit. We can get anywhere from 50 to 150 for a player like that.

[northeastclaret]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1694131512373899306

Short clip from Bakayoko vs Glasgow Rangers yesterday where he gave 2 assists. The guy looks ready to demolish the Premier League. Together with Doku and Lavia probably the best young lads Belgium currently has to offer.

If there's even a slim chance, and Sacha Tavolieri said he was most interested in signing for Burnley, we should do whatever we can to real him in. This guy could make an incredible difference for Burnley. He's a danger for the opponents defence. Can take out players with ease with his speed and dribbling. Good crosses and powerful shot at goal.

Dutch analysts were saying it's crazy for him to go to Liverpool. Too soon they said. Hopefully he feels the same way. Burnley would be a great step forward and we could really use him as Benson isn't fit to play 90 minutes. We can't count on guys like Koleosho Redmond and Bruun Larsen as our nr 1 pick for the wings. Zaroury could start but Benson would mostly be a luxury sub.

Anyway this guy has an immense resale value, if he just keeps on playing like he does now, the sky is the limit. We can get anywhere from 50 to 150 for a player like that.

Sign him on , sign him on , sign him on

[RVclaret]

They seemingly want £25m+ for Bakayoko so that would suggest we’d be out of that one.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I can't help but being irritated by Brighton. I really hope we can beat them this season. They are always after our targets. Idk I feel I'm holding a grudge.

It’s good that we’re looking at the same players, shows that our scouting team are on the right track

[CoolClaret]

We had a net spend of around +£34 million last summer, wage bill was smashed right down with the high earners mainly leaving and relegation clauses for anyone left, and we bounced back up at the first attempt meaning we get the PL tv money again

Don’t be shocked if a number of players are sold for good money next summer, I’ve said recently that we will see more players leave for £20 million plus and maybe even break the record amount we got for Keane if we have a good season

We also don’t know what extra investment the owners have managed to get in, because the accounts for last season aren’t due until next summer

Aye but remember we also have been paying quite a substantial loan off from the leveraged buyout as well.

Next set of accounts will be interesting, let’s hope that they’re filed on time.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Aye but remember we also have been paying quite a substantial loan off from the leveraged buyout as well.

Next set of accounts will be interesting, let’s hope that they’re filed on time.

I think they used some of the parachute payments for that if I remember rightly

[ksrclaret]

Cameron Archer having a medical at Sheff U - £18.5m

[Anthonini]

They seemingly want £25m+ for Bakayoko so that would suggest we’d be out of that one.

So why pay for a GK and not for a player that actually can destroy defenders? I hope and common sense tells me there still must be something possible.

The latest signings of Delcroix and Bruun Larsen don't however give me the feeling there is plenty of budget. But hopefully we'll still be pleasantly surprised.

[Anthonini]

It’s good that we’re looking at the same players, shows that our scouting team are on the right track

Thanks for changing my point of view. It's a little better now.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Cameron Archer having a medical at Sheff U - £18.5m

At that price we should be all over this player

[Colburn_Claret]

Regarding where the cash is coming from, we do have outside investors, JJW for example. What we don't know is how much, or in what areas, any investment is used.
I haven't a clue so only spitballing, but if the investments were used solely for buying players, a return or loss, could be made on future sales. A bit like part owning a racehorse. So long as the club gets the lions share of any profits, it could be a way of building the team, without the club carrying the burden of failure.
The investors would just need as much faith in VK as we do.

[burnley007]

Please can we sign Bakayoko Mr Pace. He is sexy af

[RVclaret]

So why pay for a GK and not for a player that actually can destroy defenders? I hope and common sense tells me there still must be something possible.

The latest signings of Delcroix and Bruun Larsen don't however give me the feeling there is plenty of budget. But hopefully we'll still be pleasantly surprised.

Because he feels the goalkeeper is a key part of the team?

£14m vs £25m+ is quite a difference too.

But yes I do still think we’ll spend big on a winger/striker.

[warksclaret]

If we could get £12m-£15m for Brownhill (if he is refusing to sign a new contract),£3m-£5m for Charlie and lets say £2m loan fees for Jack & Jay combined (as I dont think anyone will buy them, but could both help serios Championship sides) then thats £17m -£22m that could go to Bakayako. Know its made to sound easy but the current regime at the club has yet to show any success in being able to promote players for sale yet and this provides a good opportunity. We know VK is holding money back for a proper goal scorer . Lets just do it

[claretburns]

So why pay for a GK and not for a player that actually can destroy defenders? I hope and common sense tells me there still must be something possible.

The latest signings of Delcroix and Bruun Larsen don't however give me the feeling there is plenty of budget. But hopefully we'll still be pleasantly surprised.

Would come down to PSV beating Rangers and qualifying for the Champions League both for player and club? He would surely want to stay at PSV for Champions League experience and from the club point of view, the revenues generated by Champions League Group Stage or Europa League Group Stage will determine whether PSV need to sell or not this summer.