Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[CoolClaret]

Staggering

My views on this approach are all over this forum - I still think a lot of our business was risky - the sort of deals you do after consolidating in the Prem, not in your first season back.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Staggering

My views on this approach are all over this forum - I still think a lot of our business was risky - the sort of deals you do after consolidating in the Prem, not in your first season back.

I have confidence in VK.

But I must admit it’s a little scary to think what happens if we fail this season

[daveisaclaret]

It's a really risky approach. Looking at the profits we will likely make on last summer's signings I think we can feel fairly relaxed about it for now, personally. But it really does only take one window of misses to stop being sustainable.

[warksclaret]

Love the way some posters, now that Tella has gone for £18m, are saying he was never worth it. For me one of the stand out players in the Championship, and our team. His finishing was stunning, and IMO that would have continued. But that boat has sailed and we must move on. I am wondering though, if clarets had a choice of Foster @£15m or Tella @£18m , which they would take, as I believe the Foster purchase fee by us to be correct

[Cap]

I have confidence in VK.

But I must admit it’s a little scary to think what happens if we fail this season

We sell our assets just like we did last season.
They don't become worthless after relegation.

[claretspice]

Time will tell on whether spending a big fee on Trafford was a sensible move. Although I still had some doubts about Muric, I would have probably had him as number one, a decent back up and used the Trafford fee in another position.

The issue in goal is that Muric is a talented but relatively immature goalkeeper, and Trafford is a talented but immature keeper. The worry is that neither of them have experienced the glare of the Premier League before, and either of them might be better complimented by an experienced alternative. In much the same way Heaton and Pope were once a good pairing.

[RVclaret]

Staggering

My views on this approach are all over this forum - I still think a lot of our business was risky - the sort of deals you do after consolidating in the Prem, not in your first season back.

This is including all potential bonuses. Currently spent ~£80m. Hopefully Bakayoko takes us over 100!

As for the approach, it’s clearly led by Kompany, who your opinion all over the forum is that he’s a genius etc, seems a conflicted view.

[BleedingClaret]

Staggering

My views on this approach are all over this forum - I still think a lot of our business was risky - the sort of deals you do after consolidating in the Prem, not in your first season back.

What if you don’t survive to get the seasons to consolidate

[Newcastleclaret93]

We sell our assets just like we did last season.
They don't become worthless after relegation.

That’s if they are successful. If they are failures there fees dramatically decrease

[taio]

Love the way some posters, now that Tella has gone for £18m, are saying he was never worth it. For me one of the stand out players in the Championship, and our team. His finishing was stunning, and IMO that would have continued. But that boat has sailed and we must move on. I am wondering though, if clarets had a choice of Foster @£15m or Tella @£18m , which they would take, as I believe the Foster purchase fee by us to be correct

We didn't pay £15m for Foster

[Anthonini]

Trafford was a venture capital decision not a football one. We'll see if we sort this by next weekend, but atm I regret to say that I very much doubt that there are enough goals in the squad.

Same here. Still hoping for at least one or 2 LB's, a good striker and a good winger who can start games for us.

For me Bakayoko is less of a gamble because I know what he can bring to the team. Unlike guys like Trafford Odobert and Koleosho where we have no idea if they will actually make us a better team this season.

I see so much more arguments to go for him than to let it be. He hardly has any flaws in his game at age 20. He's pacey and can take out players with ease, can score and give assists.

Of course he's expensive but that's pure logic seeing what a player he is. You also pay for potential which he definitely has.

I can only see us making money on him and becoming a way more dangerous team.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Love the way some posters, now that Tella has gone for £18m, are saying he was never worth it. For me one of the stand out players in the Championship, and our team. His finishing was stunning, and IMO that would have continued. But that boat has sailed and we must move on. I am wondering though, if clarets had a choice of Foster @£15m or Tella @£18m , which they would take, as I believe the Foster purchase fee by us to be correct

Foster wasn’t 15m though.

Tella at 18m is a ridiculous fee. He’s 24 with one decent season to his name. He’s a good player but I struggle to see the value in that deal

[CoolClaret]

This is including all potential bonuses. Currently spent ~£80m. Hopefully Bakayoko takes us over 100!

As for the approach, it’s clearly led by Kompany, who your opinion all over the forum is that he’s a genius etc, seems a conflicted view.

I think it’s led by both. Kompany clearly been given a lot of free reign yes.

Definitely knows his football that’s for sure but is still relatively inexperienced at least managing in the top flight.

No one is infallible

[CoolClaret]

What if you don’t survive to get the seasons to consolidate

What if we don’t consolidate now and have bought a load of dross that no one wants to touch?



Definitely one of ‘the easiest seasons’ to stay up in at least imo, with us being significantly better than both the teams that came up last season.

[RVclaret]

What if we don’t consolidate now and have bought a load of dross that no one wants to touch?

Of course possible but judging off the track record of last summer and January (plus early signs this season of these players) I’d say it’s incredibly unlikely.

[Cap]

That’s if they are successful. If they are failures there fees dramatically decrease

It's a fair point you make however it's not just the value of the player's we've signed this summer.
Benson, Zaroury, Ameen and Beyer ( to a lessrer extent) all brought in for relatively low fees and as most would agree, I'm sure all these players will increase in value.

[BleedingClaret]

What if we don’t consolidate now and have bought a load of dross that no one wants to touch?



Definitely one of ‘the easiest seasons’ to stay up in at least imo, with us being significantly better than both the teams that came up last season.

I think there’s regrets at not gambling more on players last year, we had a 2 to 3 year plan to go up, and so underestimated ourselves.
Likely we’d have been able to sign, or the likes of, rather than loan & lose the quality of THB, Tella & Mattsen
The business model is only sustainable long term in the Prem, so this time rather than planning conservatively, they’re planning for success.
It’s risky yes, but I’d say that they’ve also taken Saudi & USA leagues money into account that’s not only putting more money into the European game but may create certain voids that need to be filled.
Be safer to do a Brighton, but they’ve been a one off and maybe they won’t be able to get players under the radar the same now.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Still in the race for Tresor according to reports.

[claretspice]

This is including all potential bonuses. Currently spent ~£80m. Hopefully Bakayoko takes us over 100!

As for the approach, it’s clearly led by Kompany, who your opinion all over the forum is that he’s a genius etc, seems a conflicted view.

I don't think there is a conflict in taking a nuanced view on this. Kompany is clearly a terrifically talented bloke with the intelligence, personality, charisma and judgement to go an awfully long way in management. However, as true as that is, he's also still inexperienced in management and a particular facet of that inexperience is that he's never set up a team that is likely to struggle against relegation, as we are this season - either as player or manager. Last season (and to an extent his time at Anderlecht) gave him a latitude to make mistakes that won't be available this season either in the transfer market or in tactical set up.

He also doesn't have a really experienced sounding board on his staff to say "are you sure", whilst the chairman has made it pretty evident that he is in hoc to Kompany and so is going to back him to the hilt (understandably- this is the flip side to having a talented coach you are desperate to keep). There's a danger the think tank doesn't have the critical friend to temper any potential missteps.

And it may all work our fine - and if it does it may well be absolutely glorious. But there's a risk it doesn't because of the nature of the strategy and Kompany’s absolute commitment to a particular approach.

[BleedingClaret]

Staggering

My views on this approach are all over this forum - I still think a lot of our business was risky - the sort of deals you do after consolidating in the Prem, not in your first season back.

I think that is the list of the first 10 teams for the World Super Cup Series

[123EasyasBFC]

People say the money we have spent is a risk if we get relegated, Southampton have showed you can still have a shocking season and sell players for 30/40/50m

[CoolClaret]

Of course possible but judging off the track record of last summer and January (plus early signs this season of these players) I’d say it’s incredibly unlikely.

You also have to remember players have to play (regularly) to appreciate in value.

Odobert for example has to play and be a contributor within the year or next to start to see any inflation on his initial outlay - so then the question is, who’s going to make way?we have a hell of a lot of wingers…

[CoolClaret]

People say the money we have spent is a risk if we get relegated, Southampton have showed you can still have a shocking season and sell players for 30/40/50m

& Leeds have shown you can and sell players for less than you’ve bought them for!

[123EasyasBFC]

& Leeds have shown you can and sell players for less than you’ve bought them for!

Because the Leeds previous owners where silly enough to put loan clauses in players contracts, 2/3 of our squad are on long term contracts

[123EasyasBFC]

You also have to remember players have to play (regularly) to appreciate in value.

Odobert for example has to play and be a contributor within the year or next to start to see any inflation on his initial outlay - so then the question is, who’s going to make way?we have a hell of a lot of wingers…

Isn’t Odobert one for if we have to sell someone like benson in the summer

[Dark Cloud]

I think (could be proved wrong) that by the time things close on Thursday, our net spend figure will look a bit less scary because we'll have moved some people out and recouped a bit of cash plus significant wage savings.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

& Leeds have shown you can and sell players for less than you’ve bought them for!

Only because they hilariously agreed to such stupid clauses

[RVclaret]

http://sportwitness.co.uk/burnley-stand ... r-clarets/

Still keen on Mike Tresor according to Belgian media

[Steddyman]

At times under Dyche Taylor was by far and away our most potent threat getting crosses in.

He was for the first year, but then seemed to have that risk taking trained out of his game.

It used to really frustrate me that he stopped bombing forwards any longer.

[123EasyasBFC]

I think (could be proved wrong) that by the time things close on Thursday, our net spend figure will look a bit less scary because we'll have moved some people out and recouped a bit of cash plus significant wage savings.

Who do you see us selling to recoup some money before Fridays deadline?

[Dark Cloud]

Who do you see us selling to recoup some money before Fridays deadline?

I really don't know and if we do I agree it won't be mega bucks (although the wage savings would be significant). Possibly Churlinov, Bastien, Taylor, Cork? Brownhill has been mentioned this window. I'm not saying I'd agree with any of these, just it's possible as we're bringing in loads and not really off loading much.

[SirBob]

I think (could be proved wrong) that by the time things close on Thursday, our net spend figure will look a bit less scary because we'll have moved some people out and recouped a bit of cash plus significant wage savings.

I think our only really saleable assets are the likes of Benson. Any players we are interested in selling like J Rod, JBG, Taylor would struggle to raise 10m between them. Granted we would save a fair few quid in wages

[ecc]

We seem to be getting a lot of wingers. I realise VK plays with two most of the time but just an observation.

[mdd2]

Not sure we will lose many players next week
Excluding Churlinov and Obafemi who are both injured and will be out of our 25 squad I imagine we have 22 players over 21 to be in the 25 squad
Highly likely Bastien will leave so that makes 21 and therefore if we wish room for 4 signings either loans or permanent.

[123EasyasBFC]

I really don't know and if we do I agree it won't be mega bucks (although the wage savings would be significant). Possibly Churlinov, Bastien, Taylor, Cork? Brownhill has been mentioned this window. I'm not saying I'd agree with any of these, just it's possible as we're bringing in loads and not really off loading much.

People might leave on loan and if the loan club is paying wages then fine but really only Taylor and brownhill have any sort of sale value right now

[123EasyasBFC]

We seem to be getting a lot of wingers. I realise VK plays with two most of the time but just an observation.

I think kompany is banking on using 4 a game with how hard he wants us to press

[blake's wand]

The net amount we've spent is a very large sum, but as many have said all the fees are within the region that they shouldn't be too hard to get at least 80/90% of what we paid should we go down.

The teams that have struggled financially post relegation tend to be the ones that have signed experienced players on very large wages that don't want to leave.

[Newcastleclaret93]

People say the money we have spent is a risk if we get relegated, Southampton have showed you can still have a shocking season and sell players for 30/40/50m

Fair comment but I would argue only Lavia is an example of something similar.

The other players are all players that have had years of proven experience

[arise_sir_charge]

No point worrying about it though is there.

VK is confident we’ve got a £100m footballer in our squad, I’m happy to trust him.

[forzagranata]

Fair comment but I would argue only Lavia is an example of something similar.

The other players are all players that have had years of proven experience

This is the point.

You can sell proven Premier League players, for decent money, when you are relegated.

Much harder to even get your money back on little known imports if they haven't delivered at PL level.

[Andy_G]

This is the point.

You can sell proven Premier League players, for decent money, when you are relegated.

Much harder to even get your money back on little known imports if they haven't delivered at PL level.

Lavia has only played 29 prem league games all of those were for Soton. He sold for a reported £50m plus add ons. It only takes one good season even in a poor side to make your mark.

In total Soton have raked in over £150m on player sales this window. I reckon if the worst happened and we went down we could equal that and still have a team that could bounce straight back.

[forzagranata]

Lavia has only played 29 prem league games all of those were for Soton. He sold for a reported £50m plus add ons. It only takes one good season even in a poor side to make your mark.

In total Soton have raked in over £150m on player sales this window. I reckon if the worst happened and we went down we could equal that and still have a team that could bounce straight back.

There is a scenario where we go down but, say, Lyle Foster scores 15 goals and we sell him to Man City for 50 million or something like that yeah.

In theory.

[arise_sir_charge]

Saints also pocketed big money for Livarimento
Who had barely kicked a ball for 12 months.

It only takes 2 maybe 3 to make the grade and we will more than cover this years spending.

I simoly can’t see a scenario where we are relegated without at least an handful of our exciting young squad making an impression that makes them worth strong money,

If you factor in the Saudi inflation we could already quite easily be sat on north of £300m plus of players.

[northeastclaret]

Same here. Still hoping for at least one or 2 LB's, a good striker and a good winger who can start games for us.

For me Bakayoko is less of a gamble because I know what he can bring to the team. Unlike guys like Trafford Odobert and Koleosho where we have no idea if they will actually make us a better team this season.

I see so much more arguments to go for him than to let it be. He hardly has any flaws in his game at age 20. He's pacey and can take out players with ease, can score and give assists.

Of course he's expensive but that's pure logic seeing what a player he is. You also pay for potential which he definitely has.

I can only see us making money on him and becoming a way more dangerous team.

Still rumours today about Tesor, where would you see him fitting in with the signings we have already made and may still do ,if we did sign him?

[ashtonlongsider]

If Gyokeres is the benchmark at £20m then Tella is worth a lot more imo. It's all hypothetical now, but I would have expected him to score between 10-15 if he's played for us in the PL in VK's system(s). Good luck Nathan, you'll be a big success in the Bundesliga.

[Tricky Trevor]

Re the debate on Taylor.
A fantastic PL standard defender but my problem from day 1 of seeing him is he can barely stand up straight on his right foot. At this level and on the money they are on this is not good enough. Surely he could spend 15 minutes after training kicking a ball against a wall with his right foot until he improved, if not mastered, this. We did as kids but with the left foot.
This, to me, is why VK doesn’t rate him.

[Taffy on the wing]

What if you don’t survive to get the seasons to consolidate

Then you get to moan about it endlessly, while telling everyone you were against it in the first place.
Or some version of that.

[DCWat]

Re the debate on Taylor.
A fantastic PL standard defender but my problem from day 1 of seeing him is he can barely stand up straight on his right foot. At this level and on the money they are on this is not good enough. Surely he could spend 15 minutes after training kicking a ball against a wall with his right foot until he improved, if not mastered, this. We did as kids but with the left foot.
This, to me, is why VK doesn’t rate him.

He is definitely one of the more ‘one footed’ players. My view on his non-inclusion at left back is more about the pace at which he plays the game rather than being one footed.

When he did play last season (admittedly predominantly at centre half) it was noticeable how much slower we were at playing it about and from the back.

That’s not a slight on Taylor, he’s a steady full back, in the right system.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Ah the one footed argument, missed that since we sold McNeil

Who cares if a left footed player is predominantly one footed, so are the majority of right footed players and no one seems to care about that

To make a player naturally duel footed they need to be trained from a very young age, primary school age
Some older players can become better with their opposing foot but that generally depends on the training they undertake

McNeil was one footed but joined Utd’s academy at 5/6 and they didn’t bother trying to make him dual footed

Taylor was at Leeds as a kid and they didn’t bother either
It’s just something that isn’t done in English football and probably not in many countries

[arise_sir_charge]

Re the debate on Taylor.
A fantastic PL standard defender but my problem from day 1 of seeing him is he can barely stand up straight on his right foot. At this level and on the money they are on this is not good enough. Surely he could spend 15 minutes after training kicking a ball against a wall with his right foot until he improved, if not mastered, this. We did as kids but with the left foot.
This, to me, is why VK doesn’t rate him.

Hiw much are we paying these pro license coaches and university educated sports scientists? None of them have thought to tel him to kick a ball against a wall with his right foot! Outrageous.

This take is up there with one of my all time favourites Clarets Mad takes. Chris Eagles needs to do some leg weights.