Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Delcroix is not a left back, looked great at LCB and is a full Belgium international in that role so isn’t a “he has a chance to become good”

Tresor I am now confident on which has amazed me tbh

Lokonga seems the obvious solution in midfield to us getting overrun at times albeit against top opposition. Something will happen with him late on, hopefully with us but seems unlikely

Maatsen is a LB many Chelsea fans wish was starting for them. That is good enough for me. Dealing with that club is near impossible though, we will need a plan B, hopefully Gomez. Maatsen has to play LB this season regularly for someone or his talent is being wasted.

Up front I am a little nervous that we don't have enough to unlock defences and would like a more proven goalscorer like Origi, but I suspect that one is just agent talk.

Considering though where the main deficiencies were on Sunday I would be happy with Maatsen whatever the terms, similarly Lokonga. Previously I was of the mind that loans are only good if they have an option to buy.

[Anthonini]

Is Tresor good at shielding the ball in midfield, as that's what we need?

Shielding the ball? You mean holding the ball for a few seconds so the team can move up? He's not a physically imposing player but a very smart very quick very technical player that can make time and room with a few touches. He's the type of player you give the ball to and he'd be trying to send Amdouni or foster deep or look for the 1-2. Also can play in one time and accelerate the play.

Because I think we lack creativity, someone with dangerous passing, I think we really need him yes.

To be honest apart from showing potential I don't think any of our plenty wingers so far has shown they are ready to start a game for Burnley.

Benson lacks the physicality to do the job for 90 minutes. Koleosho lacks the experience. Zaroury made a dumb mistake against City, he's probably our best bet atm with maybe Redmond. I don't feel that's classy enough for us. That's why I'm hoping for the two (Tresor and Bakayoko) to come make us a PL worthy team. Otherwise I see us struggling in those key positions with players that might get there during the season. They need time to say the least.

[123EasyasBFC]

Update I’ve just got.

Tresor being worked on and looking good.
Daka from Leicester being negotiated as well (loan with option)
Apparently Maatsen still looking extremely difficult. Shame because journo news today has made this seem a lot more positive.

Anything on origi?

[LongsideClaret]

According to wiki Maatsen was 21 on the 10th March.

Anyone born after 1st Jan 2002 counts as an under-21 players for the 23/24 premier league season.

[MDWat]

There is zero chance we’re signing both Tresor and Bakayoko

[RVclaret]

There is zero chance we’re signing Tresor and Bakayoko

Bakayoko has far wealthier clubs in for him now and a price tag that is above us. Need to forget that one I reckon.

[Iloveyoubrady]

I don’t think we’ll have a best 11 as such this year and we’ll see constant changes both to the 11 and from the bench.
However, I’m hoping this results in an 11 that could look like:
Trafford
Roberts Beyer O’Shea NEW
Cullen Berge
Benson Amdouni Tresor
Foster

With endless bench options in every position to go more attacking or defensive as well as the ability to change shape entirely. That 11 does however look extremely strong on paper. Definitely the most attacking talent I’ve seen in a Burnley team, if not all that sure defensively.

[123EasyasBFC]

Anyone born after 1st Jan 2002 counts as an under-21 players for the 23/24 premier league season.

Loan signings have to be registered regardless of age

[MDWat]

Bakayoko has far wealthier clubs in for him now and a price tag that is above us. Need to forget that one I reckon.

Not sure it was anymore than just chancing our arm, assuming it is true.

[RicardoMontalban]

Up front I am a little nervous that we don't have enough to unlock defences and would like a more proven goalscorer like Origi, but I suspect that one is just agent talk.

Are we classing Origi as a proven striker?

[jedi_master]

—————————Trafford
Roberts——Al-Dakhil——Beyer——Maatsen
————————-Berge—-Cullen
Benson——————-Amdouni————Tresor
——————————-—-Daka

Muric, O’Shea, Delcroix, Vitinho, Brownhill, Redmond, Zaroury, Koleosho, Foster

Potential side - Midfield still too weak and immobile and will get walked through in my opinion against most teams in the ‘expected’ top 12 or so. We need another midfielder surely, particularly if no faith now placed in Brownhill?

(I love the ambition, I love the potential excitement - just calling out the obvious weakness that I see really…).

[agreenwood]

Just been looking at Daka’s history. I’d forgotten how much Leicester paid for him - €30m!!

[burnley007]

Does Maatsen have 1 year left on his Chelsea contract? I assume there is an option for another year?

Surely if he's refusing to sign a contract, they would rather sell him than loan him?

[RicardoMontalban]

Are we classing Origi as a proven striker?

I did of course mean a proven goalscorer.

[burnley007]

I still believe Benson is best coming off the bench after 60 mins. He is such a fabulous weapon to bring on, whether we are winning or losing.

I'd like to see a right winger ruin a LB for 60 mins then bring Bennie on.

[123EasyasBFC]

Don’t know why anyone think Cullen and berge in a 2 is strong enough, we need 3 proper midfielders in the team

[Rick_Muller]

Daka can use both feet... thats unusual

[gandhisflipflop]

4231 like Sunday leaves us far too open if that midfield is Cullen and Berge. We would need 3 in there and I’d sacrifice the amc for cork or brownhill.

[DCWat]

Don’t know why anyone think Cullen and berge in a 2 is strong enough, we need 3 proper midfielders in the team

Time will tell, but I’m not convinced by them as a 2. Hoping that we may bring another in.

[123EasyasBFC]

4231 like Sunday leaves us far too open if that midfield is Cullen and Berge. We would need 3 in there and I’d sacrifice the amc for cork or brownhill.

Amdouni doesn’t look a number 10, certainly closer to a 9 than he is a 10

[ksrclaret]

I find it absolutely incredible that we’re chasing Tresor and Daka, when the weaknesses that have smacked us in the face so far are CM and LB.

Movement on both of those two positions is essential and has to be the priority.

[BleedingClaret]

Daka can use both feet... thats unusual

I don’t know lots of Premier League players seem adept at throwing both legs in the air simultaneously

[Spijed]

I find it absolutely incredible that we’re chasing Tresor and Daka, when the weaknesses that have smacked us in the face so far are CM and LB.

Movement on both of those two positions is essential and has to be the priority.

Have we even been linked to one in midfield?

[randomclaret2]

Don’t know why anyone think Cullen and berge in a 2 is strong enough, we need 3 proper midfielders in the team

Ramsey ?

[CoolClaret]

Amdouni doesn’t look a number 10, certainly closer to a 9 than he is a 10

Agreed

If we get Maatsen in I’d move foster to sort of left inside forward (like he did against Citeh) Amdouni False 9, have someone hugging the touchline on the right and have Maatsen on the overlap left like he did up until about Feb or so time last year.

I think that would be the best balance if we are to use Amdouni & Foster together

[123EasyasBFC]

I find it absolutely incredible that we’re chasing Tresor and Daka, when the weaknesses that have smacked us in the face so far are CM and LB.

Movement on both of those two positions is essential and has to be the priority.

Is the the midfield weak or is it just the number of midfielders being played that’s making us week. Brownhill would allow Cullen and berge to play their game properly

[123EasyasBFC]

Ramsey ?

Yeah Ramsey is an option obviously, he didn’t play more to the left for Boro though

[ksrclaret]

Have we even been linked to one in midfield?

Not recently I don’t think.

And Maatsen seems to be the only link to a LB, which looks unlikely.

[jlup1980]

4231 like Sunday leaves us far too open if that midfield is Cullen and Berge. We would need 3 in there and I’d sacrifice the amc for cork or brownhill.

I'd happily play a 4231 with our personnel. I thought it was more like 415 in the first half and 325 in the second half to be honest.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I find it absolutely incredible that we’re chasing Tresor and Daka, when the weaknesses that have smacked us in the face so far are CM and LB.

Movement on both of those two positions is essential and has to be the priority.

I think Tresor looks a fantastic talent but really struggling to see the logic here.

In left wing we have:

Redmond
Zaroury
Koleoshi
Odobert

And foster has played there this season.

Surely the massive sum is better spent on getting a top CM in

[Boss Hogg]

Don’t know why anyone think Cullen and berge in a 2 is strong enough, we need 3 proper midfielders in the team

This is one of the main issues that needs addressing.

[Boss Hogg]

Amdouni doesn’t look a number 10, certainly closer to a 9 than he is a 10

This is another imo.

[RVclaret]

I think Tresor looks a fantastic talent but really struggling to see the logic here.

In left wing we have:

Redmond
Zaroury
Koleoshi
Odobert

And foster has played there this season.

Surely the massive sum is better spent on getting a top CM in

I’d imagine Tresor will play anywhere across that front. Same as all those players listed (Zaroury aside who looks best left). Played right side against us in the friendly. Before Genk he was primarily in central areas.

[Newcastleclaret93]

—————————Trafford
Roberts——Al-Dakhil——Beyer——Maatsen
————————-Berge—-Cullen
Benson——————-Amdouni————Tresor
——————————-—-Daka

Muric, O’Shea, Delcroix, Vitinho, Brownhill, Redmond, Zaroury, Koleosho, Foster

Potential side - Midfield still too weak and immobile and will get walked through in my opinion against most teams in the ‘expected’ top 12 or so. We need another midfielder surely, particularly if no faith now placed in Brownhill?

(I love the ambition, I love the potential excitement - just calling out the obvious weakness that I see really…).

I like the look of that team but dear lord I suspect we will concede about 2-3 a game

[randomclaret2]

I like the look of that team but dear lord I suspect we will concede about 2-3 a game

No place in the 20 for Ramsey ?

[brexit]

And as we saw on Sunday, it's naive and we'll concede goal after goal.

Totally agree, but that is where IMHO the transfer policy is pointing. We keep hoping for a left back, but if we are playing four at the back, don't we really need two LB's to compete for the position. My guess is the formation against spurs will be a variation on 3-4-3 or 5-3-2 it fits the players we have bought but more importantly, it fits the players not selected brownhill and Charlie T. I also agree with the naïvety observation but if it allows winning against teams in our "mini-league" we will stay up.

[Spijed]

I like the look of that team but dear lord I suspect we will concede about 2-3 a game

As most (including me) had forgotten about Ramsey would he improve our midfield?

[mdd2]

Unless we change our formation we will get hammered IMO and I imagine those in the know who have said
how we are very vulnerable to breaks against us once we lose the ball in the final third as we press
highly with our pass and move, pass back move forward pass back pass across the pitch. Lose possession,
wham bang we end up defending short of numbers, as has happened in our first two games.
We need a more solid midfield

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’d imagine Tresor will play anywhere across that front. Same as all those players listed (Zaroury aside who looks best left). Played right side against us in the friendly. Before Genk he was primarily in central areas.

Yes, but that just highlights the same issue. We have got so many players in the advanced areas, I really don’t see the logic behind this deal at all.

But on the flip side he looks a good player.

[Taffy on the wing]

Having the freedom to attack means you have to be able to protect the back four when you lose possession, we are so vulnerable at the moment, last season we kept possession as a way of defending but we aren't going to dominate many games this season.

Just about every top class side has had a player who protects them in these situations, no body better than Rodri at this moment in time.

I'd love to think we are in for an athletic midfielder who can add that steel to the middle of the park, to allow the attacking talent to thrive.

This!......its desperately needed & has been for ages.

[randomclaret2]

As most (including me) had forgotten about Ramsey would he improve our midfield?

Ramsey, Berge and Cullen is stronger than Berge and Cullen

[RVclaret]

—————————Trafford
Roberts——Al-Dakhil——Beyer——Maatsen
————————-Berge—-Cullen
Benson——————-Amdouni————Tresor
——————————-—-Daka

Muric, O’Shea, Delcroix, Vitinho, Brownhill, Redmond, Zaroury, Koleosho, Foster

Potential side - Midfield still too weak and immobile and will get walked through in my opinion against most teams in the ‘expected’ top 12 or so. We need another midfielder surely, particularly if no faith now placed in Brownhill?

(I love the ambition, I love the potential excitement - just calling out the obvious weakness that I see really…).

In my opinion, Kompany will never have 3 defenders on the bench and Benson likely won’t start too many games. Also Foster is the main man up top. Obviously it’s good fun putting together potential teams but the amount of different shapes Kompany has up his sleeve will vastly differ from a standard 4-2-3-1. Wouldn’t surprise me if we see the same system as v City 5-2-3/3-4-3 hybrid on Saturday. I don’t necessarily disagree about a midfielder but that shape can easily change to 4-1-4-1 with JBG or Brownhill partnering Berge either side of Cullen.

[Holtyclaret]

Just to reiterate, Brownhills not starting at present because he has a knock/niggle which stems back to Blackpool last year and was aggravated at (I think) brizzle away. He’s very much in favour just too risky to start games.

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s simple really
3 midfielders in midfield
Don’t play Amdouni as number 10
We then won’t get over run in the middle of the park.

The rest will sort itself out

[burnley007]

I don't think Ramsey is a CM from what Boro and Villa fans have said.

Maybe that's the long-term plan with him though?

[Holtyclaret]

Ramsey is an attacking central midfielder/10

[Newcastleclaret93]

Just to reiterate, Brownhills not starting at present because he has a knock/niggle which stems back to Blackpool last year and was aggravated at (I think) brizzle away. He’s very much in favour just too risky to start games.

Il be amazed if he regularly starts this season

[equinox]

You can't play 3 at the back without playing 5 in midfield, that then becomes 5 at the back without the ball and 6 attacking when in possession with your holding midfielder 'holding' back.

Maatsen would be perfect but Taylor could do a job in this system. Once upon a time he and Dwight were our only attacking options, Taylor knows what he's doing in the final 3rd, you know?

[equinox]

...in the Premier League, might I add.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Man United have bid for Cucerella

Wonder if that effects the Maatsen deadl