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Supporter experience

Post by No Ney Never » Thu May 04, 2023 7:10 pm

Are there any other clubs where, as a supporter, you could have experienced the highs and lows that we have?

This is in your lifetime, whatever that may be.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by 4midable » Thu May 04, 2023 7:11 pm

Ive only ever supported burnley so not sure

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by No Ney Never » Thu May 04, 2023 7:14 pm

4midable wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 7:11 pm
Ive only ever supported burnley so not sure
Ah yes.

Maybe a re-wording of the question.

What other clubs have experienced the Highs and lows that Burnley have in your lifetime?

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Spijed » Thu May 04, 2023 7:17 pm

No Ney Never wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 7:14 pm
Ah yes.

Maybe a re-wording of the question.

What other clubs have experienced the Highs and lows that Burnley have in your lifetime?
Wolves seem to have followed us through the divisions in a similar time frame.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Claret Till I Die » Thu May 04, 2023 7:21 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 7:17 pm
Wolves seem to have followed us through the divisions in a similar time frame.
From memory Wolves have never been one loss away from going out of the league though

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Bosscat » Thu May 04, 2023 7:23 pm

Claret Till I Die wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 7:21 pm
From memory Wolves have never been one loss away from going out of the league though
Havent Bournemouth and Brighton been pretty darned close to it

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by RammyClaret61 » Thu May 04, 2023 7:26 pm

Wolves, Sheffield Utd, Bolton all took the journey to division 4 and back.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by DCWat » Thu May 04, 2023 7:35 pm

There is some merit in the view that you have to experience the lows to really appreciate the highs.

I wince with disapproval when I hear my rarely attending, Manchester United supporting friend bang on about how hard they’re having it.

We may never again achieve the highs of yesteryear, but we should be proud that we did (we all are, I’m sure) and absolutely ecstatic about what our ‘small club’ achieves against the odds. We don’t do it occasionally, we do it year on year whilst many bigger clubs look on enviously.

I love being ‘little Burnley’ and doing as well as we do. That sure as hell doesn’t mean that I’m not ambitious and want us to aim for the stars.
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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Tribesmen » Thu May 04, 2023 8:06 pm

Have followed Galway United for 26 years and in that time we have won the League Cup and that's about it really , ohh we lost our licence for 3 years and had nothing .

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm

If Luton get back in the PL they have gone from top division to non-league and back again in under 40 years and won the League Cup in the ‘80s.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by DCWat » Thu May 04, 2023 8:15 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm
If Luton get back in the PL they have gone from top division to non-league and back again in under 40 years and won the League Cup in the ‘80s.
That’s a really good shout. Trumps us although they survived non league, would we have done had we gone down?

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Awayfromburnley » Thu May 04, 2023 8:20 pm

Leicester

Win the league. Does it get higher than that?

Portential relegation this year?

Quite a few years in the lower leagues

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Spijed » Thu May 04, 2023 8:21 pm

Blackpool have done all four divisions in recent times.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu May 04, 2023 8:22 pm

Bradford have been up the divisions and back down again. Coventry have had a bumpy old ride since winning the FA cup and being top flight stalwarts.
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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Spijed » Thu May 04, 2023 8:27 pm

Oldham were in the PL when it first formed.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by No Ney Never » Thu May 04, 2023 8:30 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 8:27 pm
Oldham were in the PL when it first formed.
What's happened to Oldham reminds me of Burnley, but without the Orient game.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Leon_C » Thu May 04, 2023 8:32 pm

Wolves' last few decades have been very similar to ours, although they bounced up more rapidly from the bottom tier.
These images from Richard Rundle are fascinating - and you can really plot somebody's experience of the Clarets based on the point at which they started watching us.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by No Ney Never » Thu May 04, 2023 8:37 pm

Wow Leon C, that's some correlation!
As they say, a picture speaks a thousand words.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu May 04, 2023 8:38 pm

I’d say Brighton but you’d needed to have followed them through the bad times and the majority are plastics

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by wilks_bfc » Thu May 04, 2023 8:42 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm
If Luton get back in the PL they have gone from top division to non-league and back again in under 40 years and won the League Cup in the ‘80s.
Another thread to that is, should Luton get promoted then Mpanzu will have played for them in all the divisions from Conference to Premier for the same team

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Guppyspotter » Fri May 05, 2023 12:25 am

Every club has pretty much the same experience.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Fri May 05, 2023 12:47 am

Guppyspotter wrote:
Fri May 05, 2023 12:25 am
Every club has pretty much the same experience.
You'd have to be a very old Everton fan.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Clarets4me » Fri May 05, 2023 12:48 am

I think both Northampton Town ( 1960's ) and Swansea ( late 1970's/80's ) both went from the 4th Tier to the top flight and back again within a decade ..

I think most people know that Burnley, Wolves, Portsmouth, Preston and Sheffield Utd are the 5 Clubs who have been Champions of all 4 Divisions ...

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Herts Clarets » Fri May 05, 2023 8:09 am

The 2 that came to mind have been mentioned, in Luton and Oldham. Luton could well complete a remarkable circle from top flight to non league and back to the top flight if they prevail in the play offs.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by ClaretTony » Fri May 05, 2023 10:08 am

No Ney Never wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 7:10 pm
Are there any other clubs where, as a supporter, you could have experienced the highs and lows that we have?

This is in your lifetime, whatever that may be.
What about Northampton?

1960/61 - promoted from fourth division
1962/63 - won third division
1964/65 - promoted from second division
1965/66 - relegated from first division
1966/67 - relegated from second division
1968/69 - relegated from third division

A few more - Luton from the Championship in 2006/07, all way down the National League and back up again.

Yeovil, up from National League to the Championship in 2013/14 and now heading to National League North.


EDIT: I should have read the entire thread before posting, seen that these have been mentioned.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by gawthorpe_view » Fri May 05, 2023 10:13 am

Clarets4me wrote:
Fri May 05, 2023 12:48 am
I think both Northampton Town ( 1960's ) and Swansea ( late 1970's/80's ) both went from the 4th Tier to the top flight and back again within a decade ..

I think most people know that Burnley, Wolves, Portsmouth, Preston and Sheffield Utd are the 5 Clubs who have been Champions of all 4 Divisions ...
You can probably add Carlisle United to this list.
1st Division in 74/75 one Jimmy Glass goal from the Conference in '99.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by ClaretTony » Fri May 05, 2023 10:15 am

Wolves had a slide too

1982/83 - up from second division to first division
1983/84 - down from first to second
1984/85 - down from second to third
1985/86 - down from third to fourth

then
1987/88 - up from fourth to third
1988/89 - up from third to second

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by distortiondave » Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 am

Have Ipswich been in the Premier League since they were last relegated from it? They finished 5th under George Burley the season before, I think.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Claretmisterg » Fri May 05, 2023 10:28 am

My earliest memories of Burnley are of them being one of the greatest teams in the country whose only serious rivals were Spurs and Wolves. So I would say the only comparison to our roller coaster journey since the mid 1960s is that of Wolves, and maybe Portsmouth who were very successful in the 1950s. Although as Claret Till I Die pointed out Wolves were never close to relegation from the league. So I think we have plumbed more depths from the loftiest heights than anybody else.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by bfcjg » Fri May 05, 2023 10:30 am

I don't recall a team who had won the first division title plus FA Cup etc being 90 minutes away from oblivion, that's what makes our experience unique IMHO.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by AfloatinClaret » Fri May 05, 2023 10:30 am

The club that I played rugby for as a youngster reached a point around 2008-2010 where they'd dropped out of the competitive league completely and were playing occasional matches in a 'social league', often managing to turn out no more than 12 or 13 kids, cripples and has-beens. Ten years on and they're divisional champions and playing in a cup final at Twickenham this coming Sunday; I think that counts as being on the upswing

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Clarets4me » Fri May 05, 2023 12:53 pm

“On 28 August 1973, Leighton James strode off the pitch after Burnley had beaten Chelsea to find the Clarets joint-top of the First Division, with two wins out of two. On 9 May 1987, he jogged on to Turf Moor in the same colours, with Burnley 92nd in the Football League and about to face Orient in the last game of the season. Burnley won 2-1 and avoided the ignominy of being the first club to be automatically relegated from the Football League.”

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Rowls » Fri May 05, 2023 12:58 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Fri May 05, 2023 12:53 pm
“On 28 August 1973, Leighton James strode off the pitch after Burnley had beaten Chelsea to find the Clarets joint-top of the First Division, with two wins out of two. On 9 May 1987, he jogged on to Turf Moor in the same colours, with Burnley 92nd in the Football League and about to face Orient in the last game of the season. Burnley won 2-1 and avoided the ignominy of being the first club to be automatically relegated from the Football League.”

Guardian 18/11/2020
I doubt anybody else will go from top to bottom of the league in such a short space of time without receiving some kind of penalty.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Selby Claret » Fri May 05, 2023 1:36 pm

Bolton of course did it ten years ahead of us

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Clarets4me » Fri May 05, 2023 1:52 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Fri May 05, 2023 10:30 am
The club that I played rugby for as a youngster reached a point around 2008-2010 where they'd dropped out of the competitive league completely and were playing occasional matches in a 'social league', often managing to turn out no more than 12 or 13 kids, cripples and has-beens. Ten years on and they're divisional champions and playing in a cup final at Twickenham this coming Sunday; I think that counts as being on the upswing
Can I ask which Club ?

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri May 05, 2023 1:59 pm

Both been mentioned but Id say the two clubs that rivalled us for the good times we had under Dyche were Bradford and Bournemouth. Bradford had the FA Cup run as well as a major final plus a promotion and a play off final loss to go up two divisions and under Howe over two periods Bournemouth went from 92nd to the Premier League and hung around there for a good few years.

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Re: Supporter experience

Post by AfloatinClaret » Fri May 05, 2023 6:04 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Fri May 05, 2023 1:52 pm
Can I ask which Club ?
Wensleydale RUFC
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